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post #121 of 4494
To be perfectly clear...

I am NOT an owner of any BD player. I follow all of the forums related to BD as well as any other information on the web I can find (cnet, audioholics, etc.). Everything that I post is based off of feedback from all of these other sources. I really, really want a blu-ray player, but I simply do not have the money to buy a BD player that I will need to replace in a year or two.

This player seems to be able to do everything that I need it to do (advanced audio, HDMI 1.3 24p), but I also want it to be able to play any title well (present and future) and be able to load it in a reasonable amount of time. Any input that people can give with regard to this player is greatly appreciated.

I just don't want to be on the sidelines any longer than I have to be because every new BD owner and supporter will help bring an end to the format war and allow BD to survive.

I apologize for "blowing smoke" in this thread as I am only interested in information on the player. I'm just frustrated with the incompatibilities within the format that keep preventing me from jumping in.
post #122 of 4494
SOCCERrebel5: That is perfectly understandable, most people are playing the waiting game, I however jumped in with the PS3 and I even own the Xbox 360 with add on. As far as everything ever being compatible, now a days that is not most likely going to happen for awhile. We went from RCA/S-Video/Component Cable/DVI/HDMI 1.1/1.2/1.3......... and don't even get me stated about all these new sound formats, frankly they are overkill in most cases and not used that much on a receiver to begin with, so I see your frustration. If you wait, you always will be waiting for the next best thing, and guess what, that is always around the corner. I bought into LD, mostly just bought movies I really liked and enjoyed them while most people sat around watching VHS.. I say jump in and enjoy now, nothing is ever future proof.

Now back on topic: I bought the BDP-S300 today, local store was having a family sale friend called me that works there and bingo a S-300 in the house at a very good cost.. Good enough to make me bite!! Now I am comparing the PS3 and this puppy..... Now I wouldn't mind a 875 Onkyo receiver that does HDMI 1.3
post #123 of 4494
which has better blu ray image quality? The bdp-s300 or the samsung bdp-1200?
post #124 of 4494
Garman: I really appreciate your feedback and you are 100% right. I hope that you will post you opinion about the performance of your new player (congrats on the purchase by the way). If you own POTC I would love to know what you think about how it plays (loading and whatnot). Also if you use the 5.1 outs I would love to know what you think about the sound. Thanks once again. I hope to see some more of your posts soon!
post #125 of 4494
Garman

It is unreasonable to expect that movies released today play on players made today. It isn't unreasonable for them to have features that won't work or won't work well on todays machines, but those features should be allowed to be disabled.

Take all those new sound codecs that are problematic for many AVRs and players. They aren't mandatory, there is always a track that will play with any AVR.

The same should be done for the 'new and improved', buggy features. I could envision a simple solution. A menu that says Play movie, which would take you to a menu to set sound selection.

A second selection that says something that means, Play all this other stuff with BD-J or whatever is dujour that week. That way those of us that want to watch the darn movie, and don't care about the talking skull or what the director had for breakfast in PIP don't have to put up with this mess.
post #126 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

Garman
That way those of us that want to watch the darn movie, and don't care about the talking skull or what the director had for breakfast in PIP don't have to put up with this mess.

Amen to that. I do not mind separate special features but PIP and during the movie commentaries and experience is quite unimportant to me. Picture and sound quality matters to me! The interactive side of the next generation formats is a marketing ploy to differentiate and brand the formats.
post #127 of 4494
lparsons21/rsimeono: I like that idea.. "A menu that says play movie, which would take you to a menu to set sound selection" But isn't there some DVDs out there that do this now? I agree most movies and extras I could care less about there are some that I would like the extra features, but picture and sound as rsimeono stated to me are what is important, and I know some people where touting HD-DVD has having more extras on there movies. I have seen this on a couple of HD-DVDs that I have.
post #128 of 4494
Some DVDs do something similar. SDs usually let you bypass the previews and go straight to the menu. Some HDDVDs also do it. I only own one BD and it doesn't do that, I don't know if others do. There is at least one HDDVD that won't let you bypass 'all the wonderful stuff that makes HDDVD so good' crap, but it isn't norm.

I don't mind the extras even though I seldom look at them, I do mind if the extras make the movie experience a PITA, as it appears at least one of the POTCs does.

There is no technical nor business reason for the studios to not let this happen. But I think the marketing types get in there and push for all the "WOW" crap that makes things not work well. Someone forgot to tell them that the vast majority of us don't care about all of that, we want to watch a movie.
post #129 of 4494
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Originally Posted by ryoohki View Post

HD DVD have another problem, most notably in Warner BD disc, it's called Posterization and it's there on most of their release..

I have played several Warner HD DVD's on my Toshiba 1st & 2nd Gen HD DVD players and the discs play great. What are you talking about.

P.S. I also have a PS3 and the POTC discs play great on it as well.
post #130 of 4494
Per Ken Ross, "Crutchfield site is pretty specific, it does say it has 1.3."

Thanks for the response, Ken. While I feel that Crutchfield is in general a very reliable source of info, I couldn't rely on their advertising for a decision. I think the Onus is on Sony for publishing the specs and capabilities in a clear and concise manner. Of course it seems few do, especially in the new HD players, or so it seems. For shame.

Although I believe I understand where another poster observed that the current emphasis is on feature sets vs an actual specification I see fault in the logic, actually fault both ways. I used as an example, Toshiba's use of Deep Color in their marketing promo which many vendors (including Crutchfield) play up on their product descriptions. How many people will see that and say "WOW, Deep Color is here."

The question was raised very succinctly by another poster who asked, does this player support HDMI 1.3 or not? A review of the thread finds a disparity of answers that put a great deal of ambiguity in what could have very easily been a simple YES or NO.

I find fault with the whole HDMI promotion thing and the way its being handled. I think the apparent drift from saying the spec out loud is to get away from the promise of HDMI 1.3 offering the full set of features when in fact manufacturers are only going to implement or pick and choose from the set. This is understandable to a degree, and I guess I would fault HDMI Licensing for over promotion of their protocols. To me, the specification should be referenced and to me it only needs to imply transmission criteria, speed, bits, etc. and maybe some conformance. Firewire & USB doesn't mean to me that my portable hard drive is 500Gb or 50Gb. I expect nothing from those specs except a guarantee of transmission performance. So it should have been (still could) with HDMI.

For example,by not referencing a spec we don't know if this Sony player has the capability of outputting bitstream of HiDef unencoded audio. Whether it will or not, or whether Sony may firmware upgrade or not, is secondary. I'd like to know that its possible or not. Stating that it supports some XXytbsy color spec does not do anything for my me as I would have to understand what that means, an endeavor a simple user of this product shouldn't have to concern himself with. If i want to know more I'll study it, but to use it as the only way to determine the answer to the original question is a bit ludicrous, IMO.
post #131 of 4494
OK, I received mine yesterday (ordered from Sony Style last Friday). Hooked it up using HDMI to DVI cable to my Pioneer (PDP434CMX w/ Aurora A303 card), and optical to receiver. No picture / no sound. I tried component to the Pioneer and both picture and sound worked great. Switched HDMI to DVI cable to my Comcast HD box, and it works great (also uses optical to the receiver for sound).

Any tips on HDMI to DVI for the S300? If HDMI is plugged in, does that kill other audio output? (seems kind of goofy).

Anyway, watched Getaway (1972 Steve McQueen film) -- I was impressed, much better than SD version and, IMO, better than HD from the cable box.
post #132 of 4494
This notice was in the box:

Quote:


Note about Interactive Capability of BD-J (BD-Java)
Some BD-ROM discs, like the packaged movies, provide enhanced features with a new software application technology known as "BD-J".
To enjoy the BD-J function in some discs, you may need to update your player with the latest firmware.

Please visit www.sony.com/blurayupdate or call 1-866-909-7669 to learn more about upgrade.

I assume this is standard quote that has been in all the players though.
post #133 of 4494
Just got off the phone with Sony regarding the BD-Java update. The supporting documentation includes a separate paper titled "Note about Interative Capability of BD-J (BD-Java)". It suggests visiting the sony.com/blurayupdate website to get the update. However, its not posted on their site yet as per Sony tech support. I called Sony (1-866-909-7669) and they offered to mail the update via disk. I also asked if the S-300 supported HDMI 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 (I have tech support a choice to avoid feeding them with the preferred answer) and tech support indicated version 1.3. Hopefully this is true.

By the way, very cool player so far. I only have 1 disk so far (Phantom of the Opera) and it only has DD audio. I've got it hooked up to a new Onkyo 805 (component for video/HDMI for audio). Still have a lot of learning and tweeking to go since I'm a relative novice with BD and advanced audio, but its working. Everything is also supported via the Harmony 880 remote, although I still have some tweeking to do with it also.

Keep on posting!
post #134 of 4494
Yea, love mine as well..
post #135 of 4494
Well I just called as well. My tech suport just said firmware update not available yet and took my email address and said they would email me when available.
post #136 of 4494
Can anyone of the owners tell, what kind of power supply the BDP-300 has ?

Can it handle multiple voltages, or is it just straight 110V ?
post #137 of 4494
Does anyone know if the BD-J problems are due SONY's app or SUN's jvm implementation for this processor? My expiriences with SUN's java support have been terrible.
post #138 of 4494
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Originally Posted by grichht View Post

Just got off the phone with Sony regarding the BD-Java update. The supporting documentation includes a separate paper titled "Note about Interative Capability of BD-J (BD-Java)". It suggests visiting the sony.com/blurayupdate website to get the update. However, its not posted on their site yet as per Sony tech support. I called Sony (1-866-909-7669) and they offered to mail the update via disk...

Thanks for posting this information.

I just got off the phone w/Sony and they are mailing me the v2.0 firmware update.

post #139 of 4494
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Originally Posted by mrgribbles View Post

Per Ken Ross, "Crutchfield site is pretty specific, it does say it has 1.3."

Thanks for the response, Ken. While I feel that Crutchfield is in general a very reliable source of info, I couldn't rely on their advertising for a decision. I think the Onus is on Sony for publishing the specs and capabilities in a clear and concise manner. Of course it seems few do, especially in the new HD players, or so it seems. For shame.

Although I believe I understand where another poster observed that the current emphasis is on feature sets vs an actual specification I see fault in the logic, actually fault both ways. I used as an example, Toshiba's use of Deep Color in their marketing promo which many vendors (including Crutchfield) play up on their product descriptions. How many people will see that and say "WOW, Deep Color is here."

The question was raised very succinctly by another poster who asked, does this player support HDMI 1.3 or not? A review of the thread finds a disparity of answers that put a great deal of ambiguity in what could have very easily been a simple YES or NO.

I find fault with the whole HDMI promotion thing and the way its being handled. I think the apparent drift from saying the spec out loud is to get away from the promise of HDMI 1.3 offering the full set of features when in fact manufacturers are only going to implement or pick and choose from the set. This is understandable to a degree, and I guess I would fault HDMI Licensing for over promotion of their protocols. To me, the specification should be referenced and to me it only needs to imply transmission criteria, speed, bits, etc. and maybe some conformance. Firewire & USB doesn't mean to me that my portable hard drive is 500Gb or 50Gb. I expect nothing from those specs except a guarantee of transmission performance. So it should have been (still could) with HDMI.

For example,by not referencing a spec we don't know if this Sony player has the capability of outputting bitstream of HiDef unencoded audio. Whether it will or not, or whether Sony may firmware upgrade or not, is secondary. I'd like to know that its possible or not. Stating that it supports some XXytbsy color spec does not do anything for my me as I would have to understand what that means, an endeavor a simple user of this product shouldn't have to concern himself with. If i want to know more I'll study it, but to use it as the only way to determine the answer to the original question is a bit ludicrous, IMO.

You said a mouthful mrgribbles. I've noticed no one has asked WHY the electronic companies WON'T make a HDDVD/BLURAY that will pass a DTHD/DTSHD signal to a compatible receiver. By the way I heard uncompressed 5.1 sound last weekend...I LOVED IT!!! If they continue to make players that won't pass a signal to the receiver, I could see the sales of DTHD/DTSHD receivers drop off. Why should you pay for something you can't hear. Yamaha 661/861 receivers could really suffice for most people right now.
post #140 of 4494
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Originally Posted by mchuckp View Post

BD or HD-DVD, most movies are in the original aspect ratio. So even though you have a widescreen TV, you will get bars. I'd say most hi def movies will have bars. to fill the screen it is "Anamorphic Widescreen". If you get something like Planet Earth or other TV program, those are 16:9 because it is the standard for HDTV.

Can the image be stretched to fill the entire screen?
post #141 of 4494
lparsons, where are you? It looks like I owe you an apology. It looks like this player does decode TrueHD and DTS-HD HR. For what's it's worth I'm glad you were right .

But why on earth does Sony not advertise this, this would be a good selling point.

Has anyone listened to cd's on this baby yet?
post #142 of 4494
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

You said a mouthful mrgribbles. I've noticed no one has asked WHY the electronic companies WON'T make a HDDVD/BLURAY that will pass a DTHD/DTSHD signal to a compatible receiver. By the way I heard uncompressed 5.1 sound last weekend...I LOVED IT!!! If they continue to make players that won't pass a signal to the receiver, I could see the sales of DTHD/DTSHD receivers drop off. Why should you pay for something you can't hear. Yamaha 661/861 receivers could really suffice for most people right now.

a) You are getting lossless audio when decoding is done by the player. Once uncompressed TrueHD becomes LPCM. Same is true for DTS HD MA. Only difference is compression methodology.
b) New interactive and sync features require that processing of audio and video be done at the player level.
c) This makes a lot receiver features useless but you still may need a quality processor in order to play legacy audio for your DVD's.
post #143 of 4494
I called, and they said they would send me version 2.0 for my Bdp-S300

After, I checked the version on the machine and it has 2.0
post #144 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

lparsons, where are you? It looks like I owe you an apology. It looks like this player does decode TrueHD and DTS-HD HR. For what's it's worth I'm glad you were right .

But why on earth does Sony not advertise this, this would be a good selling point.

Has anyone listened to cd's on this baby yet?

Apology accepted, but not needed. As I'm finding out more and more, what the book says, even what the tech supports say, isn't always true. I'm glad you could confirm this as I don't have a disk with either codec on them.

As to why don't they advertise it? Who knows. Heck even the box and the front of the machine don't show it. Well maybe the front does if you could actually see through that panel. (it doesn't open does it? If it does, I'm gonna feel dumb!)
post #145 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

Apology accepted, but not needed. As I'm finding out more and more, what the book says, even what the tech supports say, isn't always true. I'm glad you could confirm this as I don't have a disk with either codec on them.

As to why don't they advertise it? Who knows. Heck even the box and the front of the machine don't show it. Well maybe the front does if you could actually see through that panel. (it doesn't open does it? If it does, I'm gonna feel dumb!)

I only have 1 disc with either DTS-HD HR or TrueHD. My total recall disc has TrueHD HR and it played fine last night. I told you that I'd have no problem admitting when I was wrong, well, I was .
post #146 of 4494
Now that I have had it for a couple of days, and even have more than one movie, I thought I'd give a quick review.

The S300 is a rock solid BD player with all the modern codecs covered. As with all players today, it decodes the advanced codecs and passes it out as LPCM. It plays up to 7.1 LPCM channels which is a big plus, unfortunately not all AVRs are created equal, and some (mine included) don't really do 7.1 via HDMI.

PQ and AQ is great. I've checked it with a few movies and I like it as well as HDDVD, which I also have.

If you are having the dark video issue, check the video settings in the setup. Default is the new Sony set. Change it to RGB (16-235) and you should be good to go.

The only fault I see is not the player as much as it is the disks that just have to get cute with the menus. Big Fish's menu is really neat, but at the cost of dragging along until it gets loaded. Probably the fault of BD-J, which doesn't seem to be something I'd be bragging about if I was a BD producer or equipment mfg. But I won't rant again about that.

Is it worth $500? Probably not, as it is no better or worse than my $300 HDDVD player that came with 8 movies. But in BluRay pricing structure, it seems a decent value.
post #147 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

I only have 1 disc with either DTS-HD HR or TrueHD. My total recall disc has TrueHD HR and it played fine last night. I told you that I'd have no problem admitting when I was wrong, well, I was .

I love Total Recall, but had read the PQ wasn't very good on it. What is your opinion?

I guess I could get it since I got 'Ultimate Avengers' cartoon movie just to test out 7.1 LPCM and my receiver. I'll probably never watch the whole thing.
post #148 of 4494
So, this player doesn't output bitstreamed DTS MA or TrueHD either (even though it has HDMI 1.3) and has no internal DTS MA decoding. ARGGGHHH!!! When the hell will they get off their arses and fix this??

Dan
post #149 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

I love Total Recall, but had read the PQ wasn't very good on it. What is your opinion?

I guess I could get it since I got 'Ultimate Avengers' cartoon movie just to test out 7.1 LPCM and my receiver. I'll probably never watch the whole thing.

I thought the PQ was ok, not too bad for an old movie. Ultimate Avengers on the other hand was quite enjoyable. The 7.1 soundtrack was very good.
post #150 of 4494
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

So, this player doesn't output bitstreamed DTS MA or TrueHD either (even though it has HDMI 1.3) and has no internal DTS MA decoding. ARGGGHHH!!! When the hell will they get off their arses and fix this??

Dan

It has always been my guess that this will be corrected in Nov. when the new blu-ray spec is complete. I guess we have to wait and see.
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