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post #241 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

You are defiant to the very end, I respect that. The Onkyo recognizes it as it should "PCM". The Sony shows me what it's outputting "DTS". Again nowhere does Sony say this player DECODES dts-hd hr nor truehd it just sends the 5.1 core, which is what the manual is saying and everyone is mis-interpreting and again this advertised NO WHERE, not even on Sony's site.

Until you can prove otherwise through your own research this player does as advertised (LCPM & DD+) only.

I am going by memory, but I read in the manual that it decodes everything but DTS-HD Master. According to the manual, it does decode Dolby TrueHD. The chart is crazy, but that is what I got out of it. Maybe you need to set something on your reciever. Then again, I am talking but I have not even tried. This is because I don't have a disc with an advanced surround sound option.
post #242 of 4494
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Originally Posted by scherer326 View Post

is this at a BB store yet. anyone seen it.

I checked again this morning, and the website says my local Best Buy stores now have these in stock. You may want to check today.
post #243 of 4494
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Originally Posted by jvc View Post

I am going by memory, but I read in the manual that it decodes everything but DTS-HD Master. According to the manual, it does decode Dolby TrueHD. The chart is crazy, but that is what I got out of it. Maybe you need to set something on your reciever. Then again, I am talking but I have not even tried. This is because I don't have a disc with an advanced surround sound option.

Thanks for the advice but it's not the receiver. Does anyone have a truehd disc to prove me wrong? When you pop in a truehd disc and hit the audio button on the sony remote what does it say?

Again guys, I own this player, I want to be wrong about this, but I fear I am not. The manual is being misinterpreted until someone proves otherwise. All the manual says is selecting TrueHD or DTS-HD gets you 5.1 output, what kind of 5.1 output? The core for each of these is 5.1 so that's most likely what you are getting. Where in the manual does it say decoding? Someone said the reason Sony is not advertising this is because they updated the specs after marketing info was already released. Ok, I can buy that, but why not update it on Sony's own website . But again, I'm happy with my Sony either way.
post #244 of 4494
i didn't think DD was the core for True HD. I know DTS is the core for DTS-HD and DTS-MA.
post #245 of 4494
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Originally Posted by joffer View Post

i didn't think DD was the core for True HD. I know DTS is the core for DTS-HD and DTS-MA.

DD is a core soundtrack of TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD
post #246 of 4494
lparsons, give us the goods. When you watch Ghost Rider and select audio on the Sony remote what does it say?
post #247 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

DD is a core soundtrack of TrueHD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_TrueHD

i must be missing the part where is says DD is the core for TrueHD, i did see this
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In the case of HD DVD, all player models have thus far offered the option to transcode the TrueHD bitstream into a different legacy format (such as Dolby Digital or DTS), providing a high-quality approximation of the original TrueHD audio over the familiar TOSLINK cable.
post #248 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

Thanks for the advice but it's not the receiver. Does anyone have a truehd disc to prove me wrong? When you pop in a truehd disc and hit the audio button on the sony remote what does it say?

Again guys, I own this player, I want to be wrong about this, but I fear I am not. The manual is being misinterpreted until someone proves otherwise. All the manual says is selecting TrueHD or DTS-HD gets you 5.1 output, what kind of 5.1 output? The core for each of these is 5.1 so that's most likely what you are getting. Where in the manual does it say decoding? Someone said the reason Sony is not advertising this is because they updated the specs after marketing info was already released. Ok, I can buy that, but why not update it on Sony's own website . But again, I'm happy with my Sony either way.

I don't have a BD disc with TrueHD on it, but for what it is worth, when I select display on my HDA2 HDDVD player it shows TrueHD as author and output as LPCM. TrueHD is a 5-channel codec isn't it? I ask because the HDA2 only does 5.1.

That display on the HDA2 now makes even me, stubborn as I am, question what the hell is going on with the S300.

Like you, I am happy with the S300, but if it is not doing what the book implies it is supposed to, I'm not happy with that.
post #249 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

lparsons, give us the goods. When you watch Ghost Rider and select audio on the Sony remote what does it say?

Sorry, BB hasn't sent me the Ghost Rider BD disk, I was watching in SD.
post #250 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

I don't have a BD disc with TrueHD on it, but for what it is worth, when I select display on my HDA2 HDDVD player it shows TrueHD as author and output as LPCM. TrueHD is a 5-channel codec isn't it? I ask because the HDA2 only does 5.1.

That display on the HDA2 now makes even me, stubborn as I am, question what the hell is going on with the S300.

Like you, I am happy with the S300, but if it is not doing what the book implies it is supposed to, I'm not happy with that.

I understand what you're saying but the manual DOES NOT SAY DECODING. It just says 5.1 output. Let's just think about this logically. Sony updated their website to say "in stock" why not update it with "TrueHD & DTS-HD" if the player actually does this. Also sony's website mentions DD+ and uncompressed PCM, it even mentions DD & DTS, but again no TrueHD or DTS-HD in sight. Guys lets be real here, no where did Sony say decoding. The core for each of these formats gets you the 5.1 legacy which is what the manual (vague I agree) is trying to say.
post #251 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

Sorry, BB hasn't sent me the Ghost Rider BD disk, I was watching in SD.

I'm picking this bad boy up soon .
post #252 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

I'm picking this bad boy up soon .

Ghost Rider is absolutely great, mind-rotting, action flick. In SD the video and audio are fantastic. I can't wait for BB (or maybe Netflix) to get me a copy in to view.

Keep in mind that I love Crank...
post #253 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

I don't have a BD disc with TrueHD on it, but for what it is worth, when I select display on my HDA2 HDDVD player it shows TrueHD as author and output as LPCM. TrueHD is a 5-channel codec isn't it? I ask because the HDA2 only does 5.1.

That display on the HDA2 now makes even me, stubborn as I am, question what the hell is going on with the S300.

Like you, I am happy with the S300, but if it is not doing what the book implies it is supposed to, I'm not happy with that.

It almost sounds as if you are trying to tell people if you want those surround sounds, go with HD-DVD...
post #254 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

Thanks for the advice but it's not the receiver. Does anyone have a truehd disc to prove me wrong? When you pop in a truehd disc and hit the audio button on the sony remote what does it say?

Again guys, I own this player, I want to be wrong about this, but I fear I am not. The manual is being misinterpreted until someone proves otherwise. All the manual says is selecting TrueHD or DTS-HD gets you 5.1 output, what kind of 5.1 output? The core for each of these is 5.1 so that's most likely what you are getting. Where in the manual does it say decoding? Someone said the reason Sony is not advertising this is because they updated the specs after marketing info was already released. Ok, I can buy that, but why not update it on Sony's own website . But again, I'm happy with my Sony either way.

You know, I did put in First Blood which is DTS-HD just to see what you were wrting about. You are correct, it does just say DTS. In fact even on the system menu, there is only DD or DTS - no advanced ones. I suppose that if it were decoding these formats, it would show up on the screen or somewhere in the player. I just can't imagine why they would put the logos of the new formats on it if it does not decode them or pass them. Maybe it wil come in a firmware update?

My reciever does not handle the advanced formats so I have no way of testing. I amy not even get one if the BD's don't contain the formats of the regular. Is there any way your receiver can tell what it is decoding? Is there any way that it can tell you if it is something other than regular DTS? If this players does not decode of the pss the formats along, we have been had and we should get some free movies!
post #255 of 4494
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Originally Posted by jvc View Post

You know, I did put in First Blood which is DTS-HD just to see what you were wrting about. You are correct, it does just say DTS. In fact even on the system menu, there is only DD or DTS - no advanced ones. I suppose that if it were decoding these formats, it would show up on the screen or somewhere in the player. I just can't imagine why they would put the logos of the new formats on it if it does not decode them or pass them. Maybe it wil come in a firmware update?

My reciever does not handle the advanced formats so I have no way of testing. I amy not even get one if the BD's don't contain the formats of the regular. Is there any way your receiver can tell what it is decoding? Is there any way that it can tell you if it is something other than regular DTS? If this players does not decode of the pss the formats along, we have been had and we should get some free movies!

Well I believe first blood is Master Audio not HR. lparsons mentioned that the SD version of Ghost Rider showed DTS in the menu as well when he selected PCM on his receiver, well I didn't want to touch on this but I don't believe the Sony decodes DTS-ES(6.1) either. The only reason he was getting sound through his 7.1 speakers is because his receiver is set to matrix on top of 5.1 sources.
post #256 of 4494
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Originally Posted by jvc View Post

You know, I did put in First Blood which is DTS-HD just to see what you were wrting about. You are correct, it does just say DTS. In fact even on the system menu, there is only DD or DTS - no advanced ones. I suppose that if it were decoding these formats, it would show up on the screen or somewhere in the player. I just can't imagine why they would put the logos of the new formats on it if it does not decode them or pass them. Maybe it wil come in a firmware update?

My reciever does not handle the advanced formats so I have no way of testing. I amy not even get one if the BD's don't contain the formats of the regular. Is there any way your receiver can tell what it is decoding? Is there any way that it can tell you if it is something other than regular DTS? If this players does not decode of the pss the formats along, we have been had and we should get some free movies!

BTW, there are no TrueHD or DTS-HD logos anywhere on the player.
post #257 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

I understand what you're saying but the manual DOES NOT SAY DECODING. It just says 5.1 output. Let's just think about this logically. Sony updated their website to say "in stock" why not update it with "TrueHD & DTS-HD" if the player actually does this. Also sony's website mentions DD+ and uncompressed PCM, it even mentions DD & DTS, but again no TrueHD or DTS-HD in sight. Guys lets be real here, no where did Sony say decoding. The core for each of these formats gets you the 5.1 legacy which is what the manual (vague I agree) is trying to say.


the manual is right - the player does not decode TrueHD nor DTS-HD. i picked up the S300 from a local BB yesterday, along with Ghost Rider BD. when you press the "audio" button on the remote the screen displays (with TrueHD selected on the the audio options):

1/5 Dolby Digital English 3/2.1CH
2/5 Linear PCM English 3/2.1CH 48kHz
3/5 Dolby Digital French 3/2.1CH
4/5 Dolby Digital English 2/0CH
5/5 Dolby Digital English 2/0CH

also, is it just me or is there not a whole lot of difference between an upconverted SD movie and a BD movie. i watched both versions of Ghost Rider last nite and i could hardly tell any difference between the two, other than the audio on the BD is quite a bit more robust. is the upconversion on this player that good? or is the BD quality on this movie not as good as others?
post #258 of 4494
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Originally Posted by jvc View Post

It almost sounds as if you are trying to tell people if you want those surround sounds, go with HD-DVD...

Feel free to read anything you wish into a statement of fact.

I was offering a contrasting view of what 2 different pieces of equipment show when selecting a particular codec.

I can say that regardless of what the readout shows on the S300, when I change from one codec to another, I can hear a difference although it is slight.

I'm more ticked at the mfgs that say one thing in their marketing or owners manuals, but yet the equipment really isn't exactly as presented. From the 7.1 AVR that doesn't take 7.1 inputs via HDMI to a player that 'implies' that certain codecs are supported instead of just coming out and saying it. Those implied things are what makes people like me mad, and makes for lots of discussion on these boards.
post #259 of 4494
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Originally Posted by bigthys View Post

also, is it just me or is there not a whole lot of difference between an upconverted SD movie and a BD movie. i watched both versions of Ghost Rider last nite and i could hardly tell any difference between the two, other than the audio on the BD is quite a bit more robust. is the upconversion on this player that good? or is the BD quality on this movie not as good as others?

There is a night and day difference between upconverted SD and HD in most cases. Ghost Rider isn't a wonderful looking transfer to my eye on BD, but it's certainly an improvement over SD.

Are you sure your player is set to 1080i/1080p?

As for the TrueHD stuff, it's really too bad that the player doesn't seem to be decoding TrueHD. Perhaps a firmware update will remedy this, given that the S1 just received same.
post #260 of 4494
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Originally Posted by bigthys View Post

the manual is right - the player does not decode TrueHD nor DTS-HD. i picked up the S300 from a local BB yesterday, along with Ghost Rider BD. when you press the "audio" button on the remote the screen displays (with TrueHD selected on the the audio options):

1/5 Dolby Digital English 3/2.1CH
2/5 Linear PCM English 3/2.1CH 48kHz
3/5 Dolby Digital French 3/2.1CH
4/5 Dolby Digital English 2/0CH
5/5 Dolby Digital English 2/0CH

also, is it just me or is there not a whole lot of difference between an upconverted SD movie and a BD movie. i watched both versions of Ghost Rider last nite and i could hardly tell any difference between the two, other than the audio on the BD is quite a bit more robust. is the upconversion on this player that good? or is the BD quality on this movie not as good as others?

As much as I don't want to agree with you, I'm being forced to!

As to Ghost Rider, I'm surprised at your comments. A review of the BD version, and comments in the Blu Ray Software threads indicate otherwise.

But the S300 does a truly great job of upconversion, imo.
post #261 of 4494
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Originally Posted by TheSimplePanda View Post

There is a night and day difference between upconverted SD and HD in most cases. Ghost Rider isn't a wonderful looking transfer to my eye on BD, but it's certainly an improvement over SD.

Are you sure your player is set to 1080i/1080p?

As for the TrueHD stuff, it's really too bad that the player doesn't seem to be decoding TrueHD. Perhaps a firmware update will remedy this, given that the S1 just received same.

I just looked at the sonystyle site, and on the S1 they do make a point of TrueHD being there, but on the S300 no mention at all.

It should be a firmware upgrade away, but who knows whether it will happen or not.
post #262 of 4494
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Originally Posted by bigthys View Post

the manual is right - the player does not decode TrueHD nor DTS-HD. i picked up the S300 from a local BB yesterday, along with Ghost Rider BD. when you press the "audio" button on the remote the screen displays (with TrueHD selected on the the audio options):

1/5 Dolby Digital English 3/2.1CH
2/5 Linear PCM English 3/2.1CH 48kHz
3/5 Dolby Digital French 3/2.1CH
4/5 Dolby Digital English 2/0CH
5/5 Dolby Digital English 2/0CH

also, is it just me or is there not a whole lot of difference between an upconverted SD movie and a BD movie. i watched both versions of Ghost Rider last nite and i could hardly tell any difference between the two, other than the audio on the BD is quite a bit more robust. is the upconversion on this player that good? or is the BD quality on this movie not as good as others?

Finally someone who agrees with me. Thank you. No TrueHD no DTS-HD. Thank you bigthys.

Next topic please
post #263 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lparsons21 View Post

I just looked at the sonystyle site, and on the S1 they do make a point of TrueHD being there, but on the S300 no mention at all.

It should be a firmware upgrade away, but who knows whether it will happen or not.

Bet patient, I believe it will in the fall. Still a great player none the less.
post #264 of 4494
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Originally Posted by TheSimplePanda View Post

There is a night and day difference between upconverted SD and HD in most cases. Ghost Rider isn't a wonderful looking transfer to my eye on BD, but it's certainly an improvement over SD.

Are you sure your player is set to 1080i/1080p?

As for the TrueHD stuff, it's really too bad that the player doesn't seem to be decoding TrueHD. Perhaps a firmware update will remedy this, given that the S1 just received same.


maybe it's just this particular movie. i checked the video format multiple times while watching the movie just to make sure it's on 1080i (by the way, can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080i).

as for TrueHD, maybe the S300, being the cheaper version, will not get the FW update...but who knows.
post #265 of 4494
Is there any reason why they won't make a Blu RAY / HDDVD player that will pass a signal to a compatible receiver?
post #266 of 4494
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Originally Posted by bigthys View Post

the manual is right - the player does not decode TrueHD nor DTS-HD. i picked up the S300 from a local BB yesterday, along with Ghost Rider BD. when you press the "audio" button on the remote the screen displays (with TrueHD selected on the the audio options):

1/5 Dolby Digital English 3/2.1CH
2/5 Linear PCM English 3/2.1CH 48kHz
3/5 Dolby Digital French 3/2.1CH
4/5 Dolby Digital English 2/0CH
5/5 Dolby Digital English 2/0CH

also, is it just me or is there not a whole lot of difference between an upconverted SD movie and a BD movie. i watched both versions of Ghost Rider last nite and i could hardly tell any difference between the two, other than the audio on the BD is quite a bit more robust. is the upconversion on this player that good? or is the BD quality on this movie not as good as others?

i didn't think Ghost Rider had a True HD track?
post #267 of 4494
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Originally Posted by joffer View Post

i didn't think Ghost Rider had a True HD track?

It does. I was shocked by this as well.
post #268 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

It does. I was shocked by this as well.

just saw this too. i was going by the tier thread.

just so i'm clear, when you select the TrueHD track, your receiver says it's receving DD 5.1?
post #269 of 4494
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Originally Posted by joffer View Post

just saw this too. i was going by the tier thread.

just so i'm clear, when you select the TrueHD track, your receiver says it's receving DD 5.1?

No the receiver will recognize it as PCM because the Sony is doing the decoding but the player only sends DD not TrueHD because it can't decode this. Instead it only gives a DD option.
post #270 of 4494
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Originally Posted by lrstevens421 View Post

It does. I was shocked by this as well.

Uncompressed PCM 5.1 & DTHD on Ghost Rider(BLU RAY). They should make all BLU RAY / HDDVD movies uncompressed 5.1. All you would need is a HDMI 1.2 or later receiver. No more receiver/player issues. PROBLEM SOLVED!
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