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post #1 of 35
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So I replaced my old"er" Belkin Wireless Router today with the Linksys WRT54GL. I updated the firmware to DD-WRT V23 SP2.

I setup everything correctly using the DD-WRT control panel. I even enabled port forwarding for the PS3 although I'm pretty sure it's not really necesary.

Anywho... The PS3 is reporting a signal of between 78-87. Seems like a pretty good signal right?

Then why are my DL speeds so terrible? I tested using speakeasy.net/speedtest using the PS3 and get about 1,000 kbps. I used my HTPC right next to the PS3 (also wireless) and got 13,400 kbps.

I'm beginning to think the PS3 can't handle very much when running wireless. Maybe just enough to make online play possible?

Anyways... I'm thinking about ways to get the PS3 wired to something that's wireless.

I'm a little lost though as I don't know too much about this kind of stuff. I'm thinking it's possible to connect another WRT54GL Router in my entertainment system and run cat5 wires to both my HTPC and PS3. I could then set that up to grab the internet from my other WRT54GL right? Is that possible?

I'm assuming the above would work. Would this be the best option for me to get the PS3 connected to the internet using the LAN port on the back?

If it is... what types of changes will I need to make to my current router and what would I need to change on the 2nd router? Any links to guides on setting something like this up would be appreciated.

If it's not the best way to go about this, what would be the best way?

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help
post #2 of 35
Doesent your wireless router have a lan port on it already for connecting a cable to the ps3? Thats what i did for the 360 and am about to do to the ps3 because of security issues with it. Ive got a dlink wireless router with 4 lan ports on the back.
post #3 of 35
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Originally Posted by jasonstiller View Post

Doesent your wireless router have a lan port on it already for connecting a cable to the ps3? Thats what i did for the 360 and am about to do to the ps3 because of security issues with it. Ive got a dlink wireless router with 4 lan ports on the back.

Yea... it has LAN ports... but my wireless router is in another room and the wife isn't ok with a CAT 5 going randomly around the house
post #4 of 35
Try switching to channel 3 on your router.
post #5 of 35
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Tried 3... but the PS3 wouldn't connect.
post #6 of 35
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Originally Posted by guitarlp View Post

Tried 3... but the PS3 wouldn't connect.

That should not be happening..strange. After you changed the channel did you save and exit. Try this..turn off the ps3..Unplug the router power cable for 20 seconds..plug it back in and turn the ps3 on and try to connect again.
post #7 of 35
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Originally Posted by tingham View Post

That should not be happening..strange. After you changed the channel did you save and exit. Try this..turn off the ps3..Unplug the router power cable for 20 seconds..plug it back in and turn the ps3 on and try to connect again.

Yea... I thought it was odd too.

I followed your instructions and the PS3 still wouldn't connect. I can connect on channel 1, 2, 4, and so on.... just not 3.

Why is 3 the magic number? Everything I've read online says to use 11.
post #8 of 35
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Originally Posted by guitarlp View Post

Yea... I thought it was odd too.

I followed your instructions and the PS3 still wouldn't connect. I can connect on channel 1, 2, 4, and so on.... just not 3.

Why is 3 the magic number? Everything I've read online says to use 11.

strange that it will not connect to channel 3. It might have something to do with the aftermarket firmware you flashed the router with. Channel 3 or channel 11 are the channels I found to have the least interference..so either one should be fine. You should not be getting those slow wireless download speeds with the ps3. 1000's of people are using the ps3 wireless and get good speeds..including myself. I can get 7mb down...consistently..using wireless. There must be something in your router software causing the issue. You can try changing the router settings to wireless protocal "b" just to see what that does..and go from there. I am going on vacation so I will not be able to help you in the next week or so..but I am sure someone else will chime in here to help you with your problem. Good Luck.
post #9 of 35
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Interesting... I tried only B and got 2000kbps to download. Just G I get about 900, and G+B I get 1000kbps.

Just B has given the best results I've seen thus far... but it's still not great considering my HTPC next to the PS3 is downloading around 12000kbps.

I switched to this router because my previous one was only getting me about 900kbps. The default firmware on this router also got me 900kbps and the upgraded firmware didn't change anything.

I'm lost on this one...
post #10 of 35
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Originally Posted by guitarlp View Post

Interesting... I tried only B and got 2000kbps to download. Just G I get about 900, and G+B I get 1000kbps.

Just B has given the best results I've seen thus far... but it's still not great considering my HTPC next to the PS3 is downloading around 12000kbps.

I switched to this router because my previous one was only getting me about 900kbps. The default firmware on this router also got me 900kbps and the upgraded firmware didn't change anything.

I'm lost on this one...


go here

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=754875

also perform a firmware update on the ps3 and on your router
post #11 of 35
So, just to get an idea -- how long does it take most of you to download via wireless on the PS3? It took me a good hour or more to get the system update and then Tekken. I haven't checked the actual speed, I'm not really sure how to do that on the PS3...
post #12 of 35
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Originally Posted by talbain View Post

go here

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=754875

also perform a firmware update on the ps3 and on your router

I've quickly skimmed through that thread... and while I couldn't find an answer, it seems there are other people who are having slow wireless speeds. I don't have the disconnect issues they do though.

I'm running the latest DD-WRT firmware on the router and my PS3 is updated to 1.80.

I'm thinking this is a hardware limitation of the PS3. Either the wireless card (or whatever is in the PS3) is just poor quality or the lack of antenna is slowing things down (or a combination of both). It sounds like the 1.80 update only made things worse... so maybe some of it is firmware as well.

From what I've done and checked, there's nothing else I can do. I've tried 2 routers, different channels, b, g, or b+g, different settings within the router firmware, re-doing the wireless setting in the PS3, and none of them have really made too much of a difference.

I ordered another WRT54GL that I will flash with the DD-WRT firmware and make it a wireless bridge. I will put that in my entertainment system and connect to my PS3 via CAT5. This should, hopefully, fix my problem. I will update the thread once I get this all completed to let you guys/gals know what I find out.
post #13 of 35
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Originally Posted by Jond0 View Post

So, just to get an idea -- how long does it take most of you to download via wireless on the PS3? It took me a good hour or more to get the system update and then Tekken. I haven't checked the actual speed, I'm not really sure how to do that on the PS3...

Downloading a demo of say 80MB takes me about 40 minutes or so using a wireless connection. That seems to be on par with others who use wireless. But my HTPC next to the PS3 can download a 80MB file in about 1 minute. I think most people are having this issue of slow speeds but don't realize it and have not tested their download speeds. Open your playstation browser and go to speakeasy.net/speedtest/ Click on the location closest to you and you'll find out how fast your download speed is. Do the same thing on a wireless computer youhave and you'll see how much slower the PS3 is at downloading.
post #14 of 35
you can't compare download speeds between pc downloads from a random site and ps3 downloading off the ps store. ps store speeds seem to be notoriously slow.
post #15 of 35
I had a similar problem with performance and set up two Buffalo Wireless G 125's (one as an access point and another as a bridge). The bridge is placed by the TV and the PS3 plugs into it via the ethernet jack. The speed gains were very noticable.

You mentioned doing something similar and here is a link that might be helpful should you want to do something similar.

http://thisisfanzoo.com/blog/archive...02/12/488.aspx

The nice thing about it is I ow have 3 remaining ethernet jacks to use for DVR, Cable, or HTPC, or whatever I can cook up.

I hope this is useful.
post #16 of 35
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

you can't compare download speeds between pc downloads from a random site and ps3 downloading off the ps store. ps store speeds seem to be notoriously slow.

Why not? I've used many different "random sites" for testing. Using firefox on my HTPC and using the default browser in the PS3. PS Store speeds are slow... I know that... but that has nothing to do with my testing by using the browser.
post #17 of 35
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Originally Posted by wsylvan View Post

I had a similar problem with performance and set up two Buffalo Wireless G 125's (one as an access point and another as a bridge). The bridge is placed by the TV and the PS3 plugs into it via the ethernet jack. The speed gains were very noticable.

You mentioned doing something similar and here is a link that might be helpful should you want to do something similar.

http://thisisfanzoo.com/blog/archive...02/12/488.aspx

The nice thing about it is I ow have 3 remaining ethernet jacks to use for DVR, Cable, or HTPC, or whatever I can cook up.

I hope this is useful.

Thanks for the link. I did a bunch of searching and found one for the router I have with the firmware I'm going to flash.

I just wish I did this earlier. Even if it doesn't increase speed (it should), it gives my 4 LAN ports I can plug things into. If I had done this earlier I wouldn't have had to buy a wireless G card for my HTPC. I think the router is actually cheaper then the card I bought. Live and learn
post #18 of 35
I repeat, It is not the PS3! I had the same issues early on...and all i did was replace my wireless router and set my PS3 in the DMZ and set it up static and set it up either wireless G only for the router or wirless G+B (there is no difference). I hardlocked the router to 54 MBS ( you have to do this) I got a Dlink 784.

I switched to cable from DSL. I get 7 megs down and 480K up on my PC and my PS3.

I can download a 600 MEG demo on the PSN in about 12 to 15 mins on the PS3. Internet speed is super fast on the PS3 and the PSN store is wicked fast.

Its all in your configuration people. The PS3 has a good wireless component.

You have to get a good wireless router.
post #19 of 35
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Originally Posted by Tripjammer View Post

I repeat, It is not the PS3! I had the same issues early on...and all i did was replace my wireless router and set my PS3 in the DMZ and set it up static and set it up either wireless G only for the router or wirless G+B (there is no difference). I hardlocked the router to 54 MBS ( you have to do this) I got a Dlink 784.

I switched to cable from DSL. I get 7 megs down and 480K up on my PC and my PS3.

I can download a 600 MEG demo on the PSN in about 12 to 15 mins on the PS3. Internet speed is super fast on the PS3 and the PSN store is wicked fast.

Its all in your configuration people. The PS3 has a good wireless component.

You have to get a good wireless router.

I tested doing what you did and got no improvement.

I put the PS3 in the DMZ.
Setup the Router for Wireless G only.
Hardlocked the router at 54MBps
Setup the PS3 to a static IP.

No difference on my end. I checked on reviews of the router you mentioned and for the most part they're negative. I ordered the WRT54GL because it had so many positive reviews and many people commented it worked great with the PS3.
post #20 of 35
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Originally Posted by guitarlp View Post

but that has nothing to do with my testing by using the browser.

heh, guess i missed that part then.
post #21 of 35
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So an update

I got another WRT54GL and set it up as a wireless bridge. I not connect my PS3 to that and I checked on download speeds.

I now download around 7,500 kbps. That's about 8 times faster then using the built in wireless in the PS3.

I could also download very quickly from the PS Store. I downloaded the 150 meg file in less then 5 minutes.

The built in wireless isn't that great on the PS3. Many just don't know because they don't check. But if you check your wireless vs. wired I'm sure you'll see a big difference.
post #22 of 35
Are you using any sort of encryption for your wireless? If so, what kind? It might have an affect on the speed it can communicate at. It's also possible that the PS3 antenna sucks....
post #23 of 35
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Originally Posted by MarsianMan View Post

Are you using any sort of encryption for your wireless? If so, what kind? It might have an affect on the speed it can communicate at. It's also possible that the PS3 antenna sucks....

WPA w/ AES

I wanted to use WPA2 but my 2 routers won't work bridged with that wireless connection.

Right now I'm using the same encryption I did when I used the PS3's WIFI... except now that I'm not using the PS3's hardware/software wireless, my download speeds are 8 times faster.
post #24 of 35
I've had nothing but trouble getting my PS3 to connect wireless. I was on the phone with Sony, Linksys, and my ISP for just over 2 weeks trying to get it connected. No luck. I eventually gave up and just drag my cable through the house when I want to get online (which keeps me from doing it often). I currently have a Linksys WRT54GS. I was thinking about switching to a WRT54GL because of all the great reviews, etc. But I'm afraind of the Xbox 360 compatiblity since it's not on their list (and Sony doesn't even have a list). Since I have the WRT54GS, and getting the WRT54GL is another $60+, should I just pick up a Linksys wireless gameing bridge and hook up the 360 and PS3 that way? It sounds like letting a device other than the PS3 do the wirless work is providing better results. Also, EVERY other device works GREAT with the WRT54GS, even the 360.
post #25 of 35
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Originally Posted by ParadiseLost View Post

I've had nothing but trouble getting my PS3 to connect wireless. I was on the phone with Sony, Linksys, and my ISP for just over 2 weeks trying to get it connected. No luck. I eventually gave up and just drag my cable through the house when I want to get online (which keeps me from doing it often). I currently have a Linksys WRT54GS. I was thinking about switching to a WRT54GL because of all the great reviews, etc. But I'm afraind of the Xbox 360 compatiblity since it's not on their list (and Sony doesn't even have a list). Since I have the WRT54GS, and getting the WRT54GL is another $60+, should I just pick up a Linksys wireless gameing bridge and hook up the 360 and PS3 that way? It sounds like letting a device other than the PS3 do the wirless work is providing better results. Also, EVERY other device works GREAT with the WRT54GS, even the 360.

I'd get the WRT54GL... flash the DD-WRT software onto it, and make it your bridge like I did. Not only will this give you 4 ethernet ports you can use, you can also use it as a wireless extender to increase your wireless range in your house. The WRT54GL with DD-WRT also alows you to increase your signal strength from unit to unit. So if the signal isn't that strong, you can up it to make sure you have no connection problems.

It's not the easiest thing to setup (took me about an hour trying to learn about all the settings and how to set it up correctly, but if you want it to work great and give you options for the future, I'd recommend what I did above.
post #26 of 35
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Originally Posted by MarsianMan View Post

Are you using any sort of encryption for your wireless? If so, what kind? It might have an affect on the speed it can communicate at. It's also possible that the PS3 antenna sucks....

This is my opinion.
post #27 of 35
I have the Linksys WRT54G router and got the following tests with my PC (direct connect to router port) and the PS3 (wireless). I used the Speakeasy Speed Test.

PC

Download: 19548 kbps
Upload: 3907 kbps

PS3

Download: 10653 kbps
Upload: 3926 kbps

While I expected the PS3 to be slower overall than the PC speed, I did not expect the PS3 download speed to be about 50% of the PC, nor did I expect the PS3 to have a slightly FASTER upload speed than the direct connected PC.

I repeated the tests several times and while the results varied from what I just mentioned it was not significant. Does anyone have any explaination or suggestions regarding the download time, and/or why there was no difference on the upload times? I am using Cablevision's Optimum Online with Speedboost rated at 30/5 mbps.

I also noted that folks tend to use a variety of units of measure and am wondering if some are confusing things and/or mis-converting from kbps, KBps, mbps and MBps...
post #28 of 35
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Originally Posted by rettenhu View Post

I have the Linksys WRT54G router and got the following tests with my PC (direct connect to router port) and the PS3 (wireless). I used the Speakeasy Speed Test.

PC

Download: 19548 kbps
Upload: 3907 kbps

PS3

Download: 10653 kbps
Upload: 3926 kbps

While I expected the PS3 to be slower overall than the PC speed, I did not expect the PS3 download speed to be about 50% of the PC, nor did I expect the PS3 to have a slightly FASTER upload speed than the direct connected PC.

I repeated the tests several times and while the results varied from what I just mentioned it was not significant. Does anyone have any explaination or suggestions regarding the download time, and/or why there was no difference on the upload times? I am using Cablevision's Optimum Online with Speedboost rated at 30/5 mbps.

I also noted that folks tend to use a variety of units of measure and am wondering if some are confusing things and/or mis-converting from kbps, KBps, mbps and MBps...

Explanation is easy there. Wireless G simply does not provide adequate throuput at medium to long distances to boost such a high download rate. Your wireless G is limiting the speed there, it has nothing to do with the PS3 hardware. The upload speed is the same because your wireless only seems to cut off at 10-11mbps, so your 4mbps upload is unaffected.

By the way, how on earth do you have these speeds? T3?
post #29 of 35
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Originally Posted by ex0du5 View Post

Explanation is easy there. Wireless G simply does not provide adequate throuput at medium to long distances to boost such a high download rate. Your wireless G is limiting the speed there, it has nothing to do with the PS3 hardware. The upload speed is the same because your wireless only seems to cut off at 10-11mbps, so your 4mbps upload is unaffected.

By the way, how on earth do you have these speeds? T3?

Comcast and Cox both implement a technology they call "PowerBoost." PowerBoost increases the speed of a connection up to ~35Mbps for the first 10 megabytes of the file, after which it switches back to the capped speed (typically 6Mbps). The various "speed tests" transfer less than 10 megabytes, so results in those tests are very good.

Not all customers will see 35Mbps with PowerBoost. To achieve such speeds, you need a relatively new router with a faster CPU. Most 802.11n draft routers have such CPUs, while most 802.11g routers do not. For example, the Linksys WRT54G and WRT54GL used by rettenhu and guitarlp will never hit 30Mbps with Comcast or Optimum Online, because the CPU in those routers will only sustain 20-23Mbps. If they were to upgrade their router, they would probably see a boost of 50% during off-peak hours.

There are others like myself which have Verizon FiOS (fiber-to-the-home), which offers speeds of 10Mbps downstream and 2Mbps upstream for $35-$40/mo, 20Mbps downstream and 5Mbps upstream for $45-50/mo, or 50Mbps downstream and 5Mbps downstream starting at about $90/mo. These aren't PowerBoost speeds -- these are sustained, 24/7 speeds. In response to competition from FiOS, Cablevision increased the speed of its ~$50/mo Optimum Online service to 30/5. As alluded to above, you do need a modern router to actually see such speeds.

I have FiOS and see a sustained 30/5 (and 50/5 when I had it) at my PS3. I use a D-Link DIR-655 router in my office. To the DIR-655, I have a Motorola NIM connected -- this MoCA device creates 100Mbps ethernet bridge to coax. This works well because I have coax running to the TV in my HT room, so I just split the cable behind my equipment rack, run one end to my HD DVR and the other end to a second Motorola NIM100. That Motorola NIM is connected to a 5-port 10/100 network switch, which gives me four usable 100Mbps ports -- each of which will sustain 30/5 Internet throughput -- to connect my Slingbox, Squeezebox, and PS3.
post #30 of 35
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

There are others like myself which have Verizon FiOS (fiber-to-the-home), which offers speeds of 10Mbps downstream and 2Mbps upstream for $35-$40/mo, 20Mbps downstream and 5Mbps upstream for $45-50/mo, or 50Mbps downstream and 5Mbps downstream starting at about $90/mo. These aren't PowerBoost speeds -- these are sustained, 24/7 speeds. In response to competition from FiOS, Cablevision increased the speeds of its ~$50/mo Optimum Online service to 30/5. As alluded to above, you do need a modern router to actually see such speeds.

Thanks for the additonal information and details. I was going to purchase a wireless n router at some point but was under the impression that this would not do any good for my PS3 connection as it does support that "standard" yet.
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