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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I don't know about you but; I have had it with satellite companies like DirecTV that increase their volume within the commercials that they have received ad revenue from.

I have started an email campaign for companies like Auzentech for them to include volume leveling in thier next set of drivers. I would encourage you to do the same..

That is... Unless you like volume in commercial break increasing by 10dB or worse..

If we get one company on it (the most prestigious for HTPC cards), others will get on the wagon too.

Even if you don't have a sound card from Auzentech, it will be useful if you email them, make this a industry standard; because obviously, the FCC doesn't care about it.
post #2 of 24
buy an X-Fi
post #3 of 24
If your worried about the X-Meridian you need to contact C-Media with your campaign. Auzentech is a hardware manufacturer, NOT software. Maybe you should contact the satellite company?
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
DirecTV doesn't care, and the FCC is too busy with foul language on broadcasts.

I actually called each of these and obviously there was no result.
post #5 of 24
Most of the volume increase is due to the advertiser compressing their commercial. They get more commercial in less time that way. This compression also increases the volume.

Or so I read once a few years back.

Dolby (I think it is) already has a solution for this. Read it in a thread in the amps forum.
post #6 of 24
comskip, i haven't seen a single bloody commerical in months.
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
Well, if you are watching live tv how do you avoid commercials?

The technology is Dolby Volume, I don't think that they have an application for Windows, but I just started on research..
post #8 of 24
The issue is much larger than specific sound card. It happens everywhere so we really want the providers (DirecTV etc.) to take care of this.

It is a pure violation of the consumer rights. I think.
post #9 of 24
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I don't think they care about the consumer, really. or the bill of rights, constitution and certainly not whatever charter that the FCC has. They just buy their way up the goverment and can do whatever they want.

I know Liberty Media has a controlling stake in DirecTV now, but this is far more than just DirecTV, it happens on stations that I receive from Gannet and Media General, Scripps Howard and SINclair Broadcasting company. So, apparently this has taken the furthest back burner their is with the FCC and the TV stations and carriers just don't care.

Dolby shouldn't have to come out with that device, it should've been handled a long time ago. Now the FCC will say, "get Dolby Volume" instead of complaining to the stations.

I really don't think the chairman of the FCC is going to do anything about it either, he's bought out by Focus on the Family and other interest groups to make sure that he never sees constitutional on his desk to sign or take care of, and we could petition the heck out of him and it wouldn't do any good.

I don't like defeatism but a very small group of petitions will not settle it, and I don't like lawsuits, but, I am sure a class action suit against all the offenders would certainly help.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

and I don't like lawsuits, but, I am sure a class action suit against all the offenders would certainly help.

On what basis will you sue? I do not think "the volume went up when the topic on the TV changed" is a valid basis.
post #11 of 24
Since the X-Fi cards have Smart Volume Managment (SVM), which attempts to keep the volume level equal, and since the new Auzentech Auzen X-Fi Prelude 7.1 uses the Creative X-Fi driver, I would assume that the next product to be released from Auzentech will support volume leveling.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
I will address that in my next email to Auzentech..

On what basis will a class action be filed? I have no idea but I am guessing an attorney could find some sort of basis for which to sue.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

Well, if you are watching live tv how do you avoid commercials?

Press record, watch something else, go back and watch the "live TV" program once its finished recording (or a large enough buffer has built up to skip the commercials)
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

On what basis will a class action be filed? I have no idea but I am guessing an attorney could find some sort of basis for which to sue.

I guess you could show that the dB coming from the commercials is above the threshold of hearing damage when the volume is set such that the dB on regular programming would not cause hearing damage. Then you could find people who have hearing damage as a result of TV watching.
post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
I thought there was a law or charter that the FCC outlines that all broadcasters and mulit-channel carriers must follow by. If they don't they can lose their license to broadcast after a sum of fines has already been levied.

That would be action that would come against the FCC to the broadcasters and not tax-paying citizens to the broadcasters. I thought the goverment worked for us. I guess I was wrong.

The suggestion you pose would be too scientific and would probably have to get medical attention to each person that was in the lawsuit. I just don't think that would happen, mostly because of the apathy of most Americans.
post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
You guys didn't tell me I could get Volume Leveling if I hacked the registry to show the enhancement tabs that there would be volume leveling (a.k.a. Loudness Equalization)

post #17 of 24
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You guys didn't tell me I could get Volume Leveling if I hacked the registry to show the enhancement tabs that there would be volume leveling (a.k.a. Loudness Equalization)

which card are you talking about??

post #18 of 24
Commercials sound louder because the audio is recorder louder withing the db limits

imagine a spectrum analyser, on a high quality track it there will be a big difference between the highest en lowers peaks

However during commercials those peaks hit the clipping range, and are constantly at max, this results in a loud sound, when in fact, the DB settings is exactly the same (the same thing happens when listen to mp3's from different sources)

A volume normaliser would fix this problem, but causes new problems.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

You guys didn't tell me I could get Volume Leveling if I hacked the registry to show the enhancement tabs that there would be volume leveling (a.k.a. Loudness Equalization)


Where can I find info on this registry hack?
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Most of the volume increase is due to the advertiser compressing their commercial. They get more commercial in less time that way. This compression also increases the volume.

Or so I read once a few years back.

Dolby (I think it is) already has a solution for this. Read it in a thread in the amps forum.

Audio compression and time compression are two different things. Compressing for time does not compress for volume.

Compression for volume is kind of a "normalizer" for levels -- it will lower the level of louder passages, and raise the level of softer passages so that the difference between the two (the dynamic range) is dramatically reduced. The volume can then be manipulated from there. I'm not sure that they are actually louder or because they spend all their time in a limited dynamic range that they seem louder.

Cheers,
post #21 of 24
BTW, it's not that DirecTV doesn't care, it's that they are a conduit for the data; I don't think they play with the audio tracks at all. Neither does Dish Network for that matter.

Cheers,
post #22 of 24
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Audio compression and time compression are two different things. Compressing for time does not compress for volume.

Compression for volume is kind of a "normalizer" for levels -- it will lower the level of louder passages, and raise the level of softer passages so that the difference between the two (the dynamic range) is dramatically reduced. The volume can then be manipulated from there. I'm not sure that they are actually louder or because they spend all their time in a limited dynamic range that they seem louder.

Cheers,

Hear Hear (excuse the pun)... Spot on. There are regulations that prevent broadcasters turning up the volume for advertisements, however this method of compression to make the sound appear louder is a grey area and seen by some legislators (at least in the UK) as distinctly sharp practie by the advertisers.

Not sure anything will get done about it with very full legislative programmes but it's probably worth contacting your legislator (senator?? - not sure how the US system works) and demanding action.

That's democracy folks.
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by John Kotches View Post

BTW, it's not that DirecTV doesn't care, it's that they are a conduit for the data; I don't think they play with the audio tracks at all. Neither does Dish Network for that matter.

Cheers,

Yep. I have the same problem with my HD OTA channels I'm getting directly from the broadcaster. Volume always goes up somewhere around 5-10db, depending upon which channel it is. I've already contacted them several times and they give me the same BS response every time - "We don't volume adjust for commericals/paid advertising". They must think we're all idiots or deaf.
post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 
Where can I find info on this registry hack?[/quote]

Here ya go..
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10321557

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Originally Posted by jimwhite View Post

what card are you talking about?

The X-Meridian

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Originally Posted by John Kotches View Post

Audio compression and time compression are two different things. Compressing for time does not compress for volume.

Compression for volume is kind of a "normalizer" for levels -- it will lower the level of louder passages, and raise the level of softer passages so that the difference between the two (the dynamic range) is dramatically reduced. The volume can then be manipulated from there. I'm not sure that they are actually louder or because they spend all their time in a limited dynamic range that they seem louder.

I was entirely frustrated about this because I watch Live TV almost 3/4 of the time. It's a real PIA to have to turn it down all the time, in every commercial.

Almost makes me wonder why I have a 600GB HD (2x320 in RAID0) for my Recorded TV..

The fact is that I flip channels way too often during the course of a day and that really doesn't promote recording something and watching it.

I don't understand how I could get in the habit of recording shows when I don't know what I will flip to next. Seems that I would still have to be dealing with commercials at one point or another.
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