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post #1 of 100
Thread Starter 
How well does the PlayStation SCPH-1001 compare to higher end model equipment
you guys have? I just purchased one off of eBay for $70 new hoping this will be the
best deal I ever get.
post #2 of 100
You have the wrong area, this section is for "Dedicated Music Transports", Not toys !!
post #3 of 100
Although you can get 100% of the performance that the CD format is capable of from an entry-level player, I think it has to be a dedicated CD player (or at least a DVD or universal player.) A game console is not made with audio as one of its primary functions.
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post #5 of 100
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Originally Posted by twitch54 View Post

You have the wrong area, this section is for "Dedicated Music Transports", Not toys !!

Read the whole post. Read the forum. I never mentioned any games.
post #6 of 100
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

Read the whole post. Read the forum. I never mentioned any games.

You mentioned PlayStation. That is a game console.
post #7 of 100
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Originally Posted by Luke G View Post

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15484873/

Interesting article. Thanks.
post #8 of 100
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

You mentioned PlayStation. That is a game console.

It's also a CD player. As you can see "CD Players & Dedicated Music Transports". It's
like you complaining about PlayStation 3 is not a Blu-Ray or SACD player.
post #9 of 100
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Originally Posted by Luke G View Post

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15484873/

Wow. I don't know if I was more struck by:

"That particular model allows audiophiles to use their own (expensive) audio cables to get perfect sound."

Or

"Before I started my listening tests, Michael had a warning for me: "Plug in the units turn em on and don't turn them off." It seems the PlayStations sound best when left on all the time. Michael was right. You shouldn't even listen for the first three days. Both units need every second of the break-in period."


Anybody know what the DAC in the PS actually is?


Scott
post #10 of 100
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

It's also a CD player. As you can see "CD Players & Dedicated Music Transports". It's
like you complaining about PlayStation 3 is not a Blu-Ray or SACD player.

If you saw the agenda from the meeting where the Sony engineers were designing it, there would probably be a handwritten note at the very bottom that translates as: "Oh, yeah, it should also play CDs."
post #11 of 100
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

If you saw the agenda from the meeting where the Sony engineers were designing it, there would probably be a handwritten note at the very bottom that translates as: "Oh, yeah, it should also play CDs."

Seriously, how is this even an argument? If you can't accept the fact that it's a CD
player then get out of here and stop this immature crap. You aren't even a audiophile
to start with so go somewhere else. You have no agenda here.
post #12 of 100
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Originally Posted by ssteel01 View Post

Wow. I don't know if I was more struck by:

"That particular model allows audiophiles to use their own (expensive) audio cables to get perfect sound."

Or

"Before I started my listening tests, Michael had a warning for me: "Plug in the units turn em on and don't turn them off." It seems the PlayStations sound best when left on all the time. Michael was right. You shouldn't even listen for the first three days. Both units need every second of the break-in period."


Anybody know what the DAC in the PS actually is?


Scott

No one knows but it uses MIPS R3000A 32bit RISC chip running at 33.8688 MHz.
"Sound processing unit

Features:

* Can handle ADPCM sources with up to 24 channels and up to 44.1 kHz sampling rate"
post #13 of 100
Well, just for the record, I don't consider myself an audiophile, but...

For what it's worth, I wouln't expect it to sound any better or any worse than any other 12 year old CD player. And I certainly wouldn't expect it to sound as good as a well constructed more modern CD player.

And take a minute to appreciate the irony that of all people, PULLIAM is poo-pooing the PS as a CD player.


Just my 2 cents.


Scott
post #14 of 100
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

Seriously, how is this even an argument? If you can't accept the fact that it's a CD
player then get out of here and stop this immature crap. You aren't even a audiophile
to start with so go somewhere else. You have no agenda here.

You asked how it compares with a good CD player. My answer is that it compares quite poorly.
Oh, and yes, I am very much an audiophile.
post #15 of 100
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

You asked how it compares with a good CD player. My answer is that it compares quite poorly.
Oh, and yes, I am very much an audiophile.

Then could you please explain the sonic differences you heard when comparing the PS to your cd player. Please be specific about detail, soundstage and timbral differences. I am very curious. Also, exactly which version PS did you try and what cd player did you compare to?
post #16 of 100
That the original Playstation makes an excellent CD player is pretty old news. That info has been posted here several times in the last year.

And, yes, it's apparently true.

Someone's not payin' attention.
post #17 of 100
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

Although you can get 100% of the performance that the CD format is capable of from an entry-level player, I think it has to be a dedicated CD player (or at least a DVD or universal player.) A game console is not made with audio as one of its primary functions.

PULLIAMM,

In your opinion, what defines 100% performance of the CD format?

The Playstation was designed to play games, and CDs. Why do you think they included music playback software with the system?

- Steve O.
post #18 of 100
LOL silence says a lot.
post #19 of 100
Thread Starter 
I bet you he never purchased a dedicated CD player over $300. But anyways moving on. If it's
true then how is it that the PlayStation is much cheaper compare to rivaling companies? Does
this show that other companies are just in to make money?
post #20 of 100
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Originally Posted by scorch123 View Post

PULLIAMM,

In your opinion, what defines 100% performance of the CD format?

Yeah, from what I've gathered from your posts, according to you a CD player either works (that would be 100% performance) or it doesn't (that would be 0% performance).

Ummm........................ what would be 75% performance, for example?
post #21 of 100
The Playstation 1 was designed and created as a mass-market consumer electronics device. SCEA cranked out hundreds of thousands of these... not quite the case with whatever high-end CDPs were being manufactured by other companies at the same time.

If the PS1 indeed was this "giant-killer" CDP - it was not by design, because Sony had, and still has, a dedicated audio components design group. If it was by design, then it was very poorly marketed at the time, because that could have helped early PS1 sales.

- Steve O.
post #22 of 100
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Yeah, from what I've gathered from your posts, according to you a CD player either works (that would be 100% performance) or it doesn't (that would be 0% performance).

Ummm........................ what would be 75% performance, for example?

Exactly - I'm not sure what that the "100%" performance standard is defined for a CDP or transport.

*

For PULLIAM's sake, let's turn the question around. Why would I NOT go with a PS-1, even it WAS a giant killer?

1) No remote control (I think)
2) No status display
3) Probably no support from Sony - once anything craps out, you gotta find another rare PS-1...

I think the smarter thing to do would be to determine exactly what the differences are between a standard PS-1 and the "killer" PS-1, get the parts necessary, and just mod a standard unit instead.

Those really aren't very strong cases against the PS-1. Maybe I'll hear one at an audio show, have a non-standard PS-1 with me, and swap it when no one is watching

- Steve O.
post #23 of 100
I'm not sure if there were more than one model DAC used in the PS1. Now I did find a reference on the web that the PS1 used the AK4309AVM DAC made by Asahi Kasei Microsystems (some have spelled this incorrectly as Ashahi). However, I can't find any datasheets for AVM, but I do find one for the AK3039BVM. You can find a slew of spec sheets at http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/asah...icrosystems/1/ however, I'm not so sure how informative they'll be.

This is not some little hole in the wall company. The DAC itself, is 1-bit and while their use is not unknown in hi-end vendors (Meridian, Arcam, and Sony among others), more typically they're seen in lower end offerings including portable devices. Now, the sampling rate is going to be much higher with a 1-bit DAC. They also tend to be a little cheaper. I also note, FWIW from the spec sheet, that the output of the BVM DAC is well over 3 volts so I'd expect it to stand out so if you want to do any critical comparisons, you've got to find a way to level that playing field with whatever you're comparing it against.

As Steve O. noted, just from the point of view of ease of use, I'd pass. Besides, all you're going to get are crappy games. Whether it's a giant killer or not, I've got no idea. But you ain't got no service or warranty. Could've bought a damned used OPPO and had hi-rez tossed into the mix for about the same money. If you're looking for deals, you're better off hitting up garage sales, thrift shops, and reading the ads in those local advertisers they stuff in your mailbox.
post #24 of 100
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Originally Posted by like.no.other. View Post

How well does the PlayStation SCPH-1001 compare to higher end model equipment
you guys have? I just purchased one off of eBay for $70 new hoping this will be the
best deal I ever get.


I got one as a gift when they came out. So it was free to me. Only played games a few times. So even after this many years, it's in nearly new condition. To me, it sounds good to me with my "vintage" Advents speakers. You can use the rca's on the back or the a/v out to get a little sound improvement. The output is a lower, so you just have to turn your amp/receiver up a little higher.

Just a suggestion, if you want some cheap upgrades...go to a gaming store and ask if they have used PS components. I picked a Sony remote module and the a/v out adapter for $10. I don't need a display, since I can't read the display from my other cd-player or laserdisc from across the room anyway. It just one non-mp3 CD, so it's not like there are 200 songs to shuffle through. This simple setup works fine for me.

Some people have done extensive modifications. Here are a couple of links that should give you all of the information you need to get the most out of the PlayStation.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...threadid=31123

http://dogbreath.de/PS1/index.html

Hope it helps.
post #25 of 100
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Originally Posted by Harrypt View Post

LOL silence says a lot.

You are showing your ignorance. My silence was a result of being away from the computer for 3 days, duh.
100% CD performance is that level where, though better specs on paper are possible, no such improvements are audible. My $160 Onkyo is an example of a player with that level of performance.
I cannot confirm or deny the alleged audio performance of the Playstation. It would merely surprise me if it were good, since that is obviously far from its primary function.
post #26 of 100
Some people have an ear for music, some.. well.. they just have ears.
post #27 of 100
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Originally Posted by luismanrara View Post

Some people have an ear for music, some.. well.. they just have ears.

So, you are saying that you fall in that second category?
post #28 of 100
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

You are showing your ignorance. My silence was a result of being away from the computer for 3 days, duh.
100% CD performance is that level where, though better specs on paper are possible, no such improvements are audible. My $160 Onkyo is an example of a player with that level of performance.
I cannot confirm or deny the alleged audio performance of the Playstation. It would merely surprise me if it were good, since that is obviously far from its primary function.

The irony here isn't lost on me.
post #29 of 100
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Originally Posted by Harrypt View Post

The irony here isn't lost on me.

I reread that quote. There is no irony in it.
post #30 of 100
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

So, you are saying that you fall in that second category?

Not really, but my comment wasn't directed at you...it must have fallen on deaf ears.
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