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MX-810...will it be the new hotness?

post #1 of 159
Thread Starter 
Looks like it has a very nice layout, RF capabilities, and some other goodies, for an msrp of $399.

anyone know more about this remote?




http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/universal...ook-269292.php
post #2 of 159
I don't know much about it, but reading the comments and the article show how little people know. Whoever the guy is that wrote the article actually seems to believe that having a touchscreen is more important than functionality. Anyway, it's too early to tell for me, cause I haven't seen any info on the 810.
post #3 of 159
Thread Starter 
agreed.

I guess I should have posted a better link, like these:

http://www.electronichouse.com/artic...ew_mx_810/C157
post #4 of 159
There's been a few threads on the MX-810 (and it's brother the R70) on Remote Central. The software's notdone yet, so it's difficult to say what the full capabilities will be. However, based on the price and model number, you can expect programmability to be less than the MX-900.
post #5 of 159
Thread Starter 
do you have any guestimates on when it will hit your shelves?
post #6 of 159
Hard to say right now, but it likely will be sometime in July.
post #7 of 159
Mike,

Any idea if this will use a USB or serial interface?
post #8 of 159
Pause should be below Play, not Stop. Now that VCRs are dinosaurs, people don't use the stop button anymore. They either turn the device off, remove the disc, or queue up the next viewing selection. The channel and volume buttons are also asymmetrical (between up/down), which is always ergonomically awkward. Looks like they're taking a cue from Logitech and choosing form over function. A mistake, in my opinion. At least you can tell which transport buttons you're using (unlike the Harmonies). I would have gotten rid of the silly upper silver swoosh to give volume and channel more space to make them symmetrical. I wish universal manufacturers would put more thought into button sizing and layout. At least CES manufacturers usually get it right, even if they can't control a bazillion gadgets!
post #9 of 159
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Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post

Pause should be below Play, not Stop. Now that VCRs are dinosaurs, people don't use the stop button anymore. They either turn the device off, remove the disc, or queue up the next viewing selection. The channel and volume buttons are also asymmetrical (between up/down), which is always ergonomically awkward. Looks like they're taking a cue from Logitech and choosing form over function. A mistake, in my opinion.

I completely agree. The pause button should be below play, not stop. Play, pause, FF, and RW are the most used buttons with my DVR. Stop serves no purpose, except to end / delete recorded programs.

If I don't preorder the MX-810, that will be the reason why.
post #10 of 159
Yeah, the only time I've ever used stop was to stop a VCR tape so I could speed rewind it. Has anyone else ever used stop for anything else? I would be completely happy if they got rid of the Stop button altogether.
post #11 of 159
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Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post

Yeah, the only time I've ever used stop was to stop a VCR tape so I could speed rewind it. Has anyone else ever used stop for anything else? I would be completely happy if they got rid of the Stop button altogether.

We often program CD Jukeboxes into the remote for customers. If you do not stop playback with many changers, it will just skip to the next disc. IF you have 300 or 400 cd's in there, it will just keep spinning and wear out the motor on the changer. Sometimes, depending on the system we program a stop function into the macros, but if we are sharing the changer between multi-zone and say a home theater, then we do not do this in case someone is listening in the other zones. So we instruct them to press stop before they power off the system.
post #12 of 159
Thread Starter 
I still use it a lot. When listening to CDs or SACDs or DVDAs, I sometimes have to "stop" it if the kids call me, or the wife calls me, etc. I rather not leave the player on pause with the disc spinning for long periods of time.

but in a DVR scenario, yes, I usually pause.
post #13 of 159
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Originally Posted by octavian View Post

Mike,

Any idea if this will use a USB or serial interface?

USB. The serial interface ends with the MX-850.
post #14 of 159
Thread Starter 
any updates on this unit?

Mike, any news on ship dates?
post #15 of 159
It's just about to go out for beta, so I wouldn't expect a release before August now.
post #16 of 159
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Originally Posted by MikeSRC View Post

It's just about to go out for beta, so I wouldn't expect a release before August now.

ah man!
post #17 of 159
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Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post

Has anyone else ever used stop for anything else?

I use it fairly frequently to stop watching a recorded show on the DVR so I can switch to playing a game on the XBox or watch a DVD. I don't automatically power off the DVR because it's such a hassle if it happens to be recording something at the time I switch to another activity.
post #18 of 159
My understanding is it is a limited remote designed for a single room application and intended for the non savy programmers, it is still very customizable for the programmers to get custom with but for more custom remotes the 900 and up are still a better remote

The looks of the 810 are better than recent remotes they have released

Looking forward to the release of the 810.

I recently ordered a 900 for myself to use as a learning remote to capture codes and play around with...definately wont be replacing the RTI with it unless somebody at URC can convince me otherwise
post #19 of 159
I just thought that I'd ad to this thread and let you know that URC released the official press release on the 810 today. Lot's of good info too... it's actually one of the longest press releases I've read.
post #20 of 159
Great news, thanks Jim.
post #21 of 159
Is there a link to the press release?
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post #23 of 159
Can someone explain why it explicitly says single room use? If I wanted to control equipment that sits in a basement but connected to a TV on the main floor, would this work? The equipment in the basement is also connected to a PJ in the basement which is the main viewing room. I want to have a separate universal remote for each floor.

Thanks

Mike
post #24 of 159
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Originally Posted by BinaryLinguist View Post

Can someone explain why it explicitly says single room use? If I wanted to control equipment that sits in a basement but connected to a TV on the main floor, would this work?

Thanks

Mike

Yes. Just like their other remotes, the MX-810 can control a number of devices in different locations via RF. The intent is to have a single MX-810 for a TV or system location, but it doesn't matter where the components are physically. You could have an MX-810 labeled "Family Room", but all the components don't have to be there if you use RF.

The one thing in that press release that's incorrect is that the MX-810 "is available now". It isn't available yet as it's just gone into beta testing.
post #25 of 159
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Originally Posted by MikeSRC View Post

Yes. Just like their other remotes, the MX-810 can control a number of devices in different locations via RF. The intent is to have a single MX-810 for a TV or system location, but it doesn't matter where the components are physically. You could have an MX-810 labeled "Family Room", but all the components don't have to be there if you use RF.

Excuse my thickness on this, but I was, and still am, confused by the reference to single room in the press release.

I have a receiver that supports up to three zones (Yamaha RX-V1500). I'm not using that feature right now, but I keep thinking about putting a couple of speakers out on the deck as a second zone.

Would I be able to use the 810 in that configuration or is that considered multiple 'rooms'?

Perhaps it would help if someone could provide a simple example of the type of scenario in which something like the MX-900 would work, but the MX-810 would not.
post #26 of 159
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Originally Posted by craig_wagner View Post

Excuse my thickness on this, but I was, and still am, confused by the reference to single room in the press release.

I have a receiver that supports up to three zones (Yamaha RX-V1500). I'm not using that feature right now, but I keep thinking about putting a couple of speakers out on the deck as a second zone.

Would I be able to use the 810 in that configuration or is that considered multiple 'rooms'?

Perhaps it would help if someone could provide a simple example of the type of scenario in which something like the MX-900 would work, but the MX-810 would not.

I'm even thicker than Craig . Isn't the whole point of an RF remote (at least one major point) to have all of the equipment in a centralized location? I have almost all of my equipment in the basement - shouldn't any remote in this price range have the ability to assign activities to different rooms? I believe the Harmony 890 allows you to first pick a room, then choose the activity you want to happen in that room. I would be shocked if the 810 couldn't do the same thing.

My thickness is in trying to understand what a single room remote is. Isn't that fairly useless? If all I wanted to do was operate a remote in one room in the house, why would I need an RF remote? Why would I even need a $400 universal remote?
post #27 of 159
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Originally Posted by tjk View Post

I'm even thicker than Craig . Isn't the whole point of an RF remote (at least one major point) to have all of the equipment in a centralized location? I have almost all of my equipment in the basement - shouldn't any remote in this price range have the ability to assign activities to different rooms? I believe the Harmony 890 allows you to first pick a room, then choose the activity you want to happen in that room. I would be shocked if the 810 couldn't do the same thing.

My thickness is in trying to understand what a single room remote is. Isn't that fairly useless? If all I wanted to do was operate a remote in one room in the house, why would I need an RF remote? Why would I even need a $400 universal remote?

You may have a remotely located cable box or satellite receiver, but a television in the room with the remote. IR to control the tv, RF to control the stuff in other rooms.

Yes, the 810 should be able to allow you to pick a room and then an activity, if you chose to program it that way.

A single room remote would be programmed to run that room's Sony tv and the whole-house system. Another remote in a different room would be programmed to run that room's Sharp tv and the same whole-house system. Both could have their GUI's the same, for the sake of the wife's ease of use, but would be programmed differently to control different tvs. Why more than one if you can program one remote to run them all? Because Murphy's Law states the remote will not be in the room you are in when you want to watch tv.
post #28 of 159
buckswope's got it covered, but let me see if I can explain myself better. You can have 24 devices in an MX-810 and they can be anywhere in the house (using RF to control components in a cabinet or another room). An activity macro (ie: "Watch TV" or "Listen to Music") can be programed using any of these devices. If you want to watch TV or listen to music in another room, you would set up another activity macro for that use (ie: Watch TV 2). This is the same way the Harmony remotes are setup.

With the MX-900, you have "Watch" and "Listen" main pages, so you could have "Watch" TV-BR, TV-LR etc. Or, you could just have links to go to another Watch page with all the activities for a specific room. For example, on the 1st Watch page, you could have a button labeled "BEDROOM". Pushing it would take you to another Watch page with TV, DVD etc.
post #29 of 159
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Originally Posted by MikeSRC View Post

buckswope's got it covered, but let me see if I can explain myself better. You can have 24 devices in an MX-810 and they can be anywhere in the house (using RF to control components in a cabinet or another room). An activity macro (ie: "Watch TV" or "Listen to Music") can be programed using any of these devices. If you want to watch TV or listen to music in another room, you would set up another activity macro for that use (ie: Watch TV 2). This is the same way the Harmony remotes are setup.

With the MX-900, you have "Watch" and "Listen" main pages, so you could have "Watch" TV-BR, TV-LR etc. Or, you could just have links to go to another Watch page with all the activities for a specific room. For example, on the 1st Watch page, you could have a button labeled "BEDROOM". Pushing it would take you to another Watch page with TV, DVD etc.

Gotcha. Wouldn't it be easier if the first thing you did was pick the room you were in, then picked the activity you wanted to do? At least to me that's the most intuitive - first ask yourself where you are, then ask yourself what you want to do. I thought that was an option with either a Harmony or a URC. It appears from the Harmony manual the one of the activities you create can be to change rooms - then you are left with 7 activities (plenty) for that room. I'm no expert but it appears that's an option - am I correct?

I completely understand the Murphy's Law comment that Buckswope made - and obviously an additional remote would cover that. But if your system in one room is just a TV and a box located in the basement, all you really need is the Tivo remote and an IR repeater. Obviously, the more $ you're willing to spend, the simpler you can make it.
post #30 of 159
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Originally Posted by buckswope View Post

A single room remote would be programmed to run that room's Sony tv and the whole-house system. Another remote in a different room would be programmed to run that room's Sharp tv and the same whole-house system. Why more than one if you can program one remote to run them all? Because Murphy's Law states the remote will not be in the room you are in when you want to watch tv.

So, there's no such thing as a "single room remote"...unless you chose to make it that way because you have different remotes for different rooms?

My work around on that would be to just use the remote the TV or STB came with for the room you don't have the remote in - realize that defeats the universal concept, but generally the remotes that come with STB's are easy for the wife to operate as well.
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