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post #2131 of 2370
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Originally Posted by lokimon View Post

How much are Blu-Ray players?
Picked up the Toshiba HD DVD D2 because I needed a new DVD player and figured why not get one of the new formats as well. Blu-Ray was over my budget.
If they come out ahead at the end, I'll pick up a Blu-Ray. ( Hopefully a PS3 for $300 or so. )
I didn't lose anything by going HD DVD first, especially since Blu-Rays spec isn't finalized. Who knows how much better the players will be.

If you don't care about BD-Java PIP, you can currently pick up a Samsung BD-P1000 on eBay from several sellers for around US$300
But you're probably better off waiting until you can grab a PS3.
post #2132 of 2370
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Originally Posted by dobyblue View Post

I should also mention that I don't think this is one of the 250 test stores as the Blu-ray/HD DVD sections only opened up about 5-6 weeks ago.

I think Canada had a different test bed of about 75 stores ...
post #2133 of 2370
Photos from my Blockbuster test store. They are a bit old, taken not long after my store got going with the HD stuff, but you get the point. Note that things have changed slightly since these photos were taken. The HD DVD has one whole column now but the BD section has more movies and a better selection. BD has at least 18 more movies than the HD DVD section today.















Note that the section is located directly across from the front door that you come in the store with - therefore it is in what you might call the "most directly visible" location in the store, among the crowd of other movies though.
post #2134 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Connavar View Post

forgot the *100 => you get 0.3%

Thank you.

Think anyone will pay attention to the fact that HD DVD and BD represent .03% of the video disc marketplace as far as revenue?

Nah . . . .

Boy did I pick an approporate signature or what?
post #2135 of 2370
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

No, I didn't. For some reason I thought it was a Universal title. I am still in awe at how few "must have" titles Universal has put out over the last 10 years. The Bourne movies, King Kong and maybe the Mummy movies. They've had some big comedy's but rent comedy's, I don't buy them (unless they're kids movies, then they watch them ten times and its cheaper to buy them).

Well, my decision to go Blu, just keeps looking smarter and smarter.


Well, I bought into HD-DVD and fully supported them at launch and even after Blu-Ray first came out. I was not going to buy into Blu-Ray during the first few months of their launch because they did not impress me with their BD25 launch line-up at all and their player was too expensive. Since I am a gamer, I pre-ordered a 20Gb Ps3 at Gamestop and got one the day the Ps3 came out. Since then, Blu-Ray has matched HD-DVD quality and surpassed it with the latest 50GB disc titles from Sony and Disney. I will still keep my HD-A2 and hopefully some exclusive's from Universal are still on the horizon along with all of their TV series's they have the rights to. Rumor has it that Star Trek the original series remastered will be HD-DVD exclusive, however they will be released on combo discs which I have vowed never to buy again.. However in this case, I might make an exception and test each disc out carefully the day I buy them. However it will be a pain in the but if I order them from amazon to get a discount over Best Buy and they do have problems..

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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

The most HD-DVD could have hoped for is to co-exist.


Once the HD-DVD insider's started talking about "dual-format players" being something they look forward to seeing, I knew then it was all over in their minds that they had a chance to win this. You have to have a "there can be only one" attitude" up until the bitter end. I just went to my Blockbuster store and they have lots of Blu-Ray titles with a large display telling people what the Blue discs are and so forth. It's only a matter of time now before this is all over...I'm betting that by Christmas of this year, which is arguably HD-DVD's last stand, will place HD-DVD so far behind that it would be impossible for them to make a come-back.. Especially considering this Blockbuster deal which until then, I was seeing HD-DVD have a surge with the discounted players. However all that fizzled once the Blockbuster announcement and they have lost all momentum they had gained these past few months with the players sale.
post #2136 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Thank you.

Think anyone will pay attention to the fact that HD DVD and BD represent .03% of the video disc marketplace as far as revenue?

Nah . . . .

Boy did I pick an approporate signature or what?

When the Hi-def market is experiencing exponential growth and the DVD market is flattening out (soon to be decreasing), I think they will pay attention. If anyone in the business does not, it's to their own peril.
post #2137 of 2370
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Originally Posted by jdg345 View Post

I think Canada had a different test bed of about 75 stores ...

The staff said they were the only store in Canada, but I knew that was a load of rubbish. They also said amongst the reasons why Blu-ray is better than "HD DVD is so expensive"
I chuckled to myself and bid them adieu.
post #2138 of 2370
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Originally Posted by dobyblue View Post

The staff said they were the only store in Canada, but I knew that was a load of rubbish. They also said amongst the reasons why Blu-ray is better than "HD DVD is so expensive"
I chuckled to myself and bid them adieu.

For any rental company, HD-DVD's can very well be more expensive than Blu-Ray's if the discs become unplayable because of scratches that seem to be a larger problem on HD-DVD's than SD-DVD's because they are more sensitive to it. Rental companie's would therefore have to replace discs faster with newer copies after being rented so many times at a faster rate they already have with SD-DVD's. I remember Amir touting how HD-DVD has a wider range for its laser making it able to go around scratches easily while Blu-Ray's laser's are so thin that even the tiniest scratch would make them unplayable;e. It turns out that the Blu-Ray discs don't get scratched, even with a Brillo pad, and I've never had any trouble playing any of my rental Blu-Ray's so far while about half of my HD-DVD rentals have issues being played (glitches) and others don't play at all..Every time it looks like either scratches are involved, or it is a combo disc...I wonder why HD-DVD hasn't adopted the same type of protective layer to go on "rental" discs at the very least. Oh well, it is all hind site and too late to do anything about that now that Blockbuster has gone Blu...
post #2139 of 2370
Ruined discs - no big deal. Just send them back to the studio and request some more. BB and NF don't buy the discs - they get them for free. They have a revenue sharing program with the studios.
post #2140 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Supermans View Post

For any rental company, HD-DVD's can very well be more expensive than Blu-Ray's if the discs become unplayable because of scratches that seem to be a larger problem on HD-DVD's than SD-DVD's because they are more sensitive to it. Rental companie's would therefore have to replace discs faster with newer copies after being rented so many times at a faster rate they already have with SD-DVD's. I remember Amir touting how HD-DVD has a wider range for its laser making it able to go around scratches easily while Blu-Ray's laser's are so thin that even the tiniest scratch would make them unplayable;e. It turns out that the Blu-Ray discs don't get scratched, even with a Brillo pad, and I've never had any trouble playing any of my rental Blu-Ray's so far while about half of my HD-DVD rentals have issues being played (glitches) and others don't play at all..Every time it looks like either scratches are involved, or it is a combo disc...I wonder why HD-DVD hasn't adopted the same type of protective layer to go on "rental" discs at the very least. Oh well, it is all hind site and too late to do anything about that now that Blockbuster has gone Blu...

But Blockbuster doesn't buy their copies of discs anyways ... how is this more expensive?

btw, maybe they can visit 'protective layers' again when HD DVD gets a bigger share at those 250 locations (or Blockbuster sees them take off online). Did the press release mention scratches or 70/30? I forget.

Oh, yah, I forgot ... I'm still waiting for that store number. Heck, just a general address and zipcode is all I need ... I can look them up online.
post #2141 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Ruined discs - no big deal. Just send them back to the studio and request some more. BB and NF don't buy the discs - they get them for free. They have a revenue sharing program with the studios.

Well, it may not cost them more $$$ in terms of re-buying discs... but it still costs them. Wasted time and effort by both blockbuster and the consumer, customer satisfaction drops. Then you have to account for BB giving the consumer compensation for their time, plus lost customers... etc.
post #2142 of 2370
Maybe this whole BB announcement has to do with what Universal's Ron Meyer said about Sumner Redstone on Sunday Morning Shootout last October:

http://defamer.com/hollywood/univers...*+y-207890.php
post #2143 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Ruined discs - no big deal. Just send them back to the studio and request some more. BB and NF don't buy the discs - they get them for free. They have a revenue sharing program with the studios.


If this is true I learned something new today. I always thought such a policy was only in place for discs with a manufacturers defect and not rental abuse. If the rental discs are not owned by Blockbuster but are on a loan, how does that explain Blockbuster selling the used discs for a discount after they've been rented so many times? So is it a loan and then buy option or something else? In either case, Blockbuster does not want 20% or more of their customers coming back and telling them their discs do not play or freeze. People like me who rent HD-DVD's have gotten tired of getting discs that don't play. This doesn't happen with Blu-Ray discs to the same degree as my friends and I have never had a blu-ray disc not play in our PS3's while many HD-DVD's skip and freeze while some combo's don't even play. The rental company may not lose money on the discs sending the scratched disc back to the studio and getting a replacement however we as customers do lose faith quickly the more times this happens so the rental companies will lose customers who get tired of getting scratched up discs and employees of the stores will have to explain to people that HD-DVD's when scratched are more sensitive than regular DVD's and so forth and eventually just tell the people that Blu-Ray is more scratch resistant and has less problems.. Of course this is all hindsight since Blockbuster already chose Blu-Ray for the majority of its stores and will phase out HD-DVD once Universal goes neutral or a formal announcement of the loss of the format war occurs..
post #2144 of 2370
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Originally Posted by LynxFX View Post

Well this is probably what the 'test' stores will look like. You can guess what the expansion stores will look like.



*This is just a joke, it is the weekend afterall.

But there are two copies of Smoking Aces, HD-DVD wins

Love the Spiderman effects
post #2145 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Supermans View Post

If this is true I learned something new today. I always thought such a policy was only in place for discs with a manufacturers defect and not rental abuse. If the rental discs are not owned by Blockbuster but are on a loan, how does that explain Blockbuster selling the used discs for a discount after they've been rented so many times? So is it a loan and then buy option or something else? In either case, Blockbuster does not want 20% or more of their customers coming back and telling them their discs do not play or freeze. People like me who rent HD-DVD's have gotten tired of getting discs that don't play. This doesn't happen with Blu-Ray discs to the same degree as my friends and I have never had a blu-ray disc not play in our PS3's while many HD-DVD's skip and freeze while some combo's don't even play. The rental company may not lose money on the discs sending the scratched disc back to the studio and getting a replacement however we as customers do lose faith quickly the more times this happens so the rental companies will lose customers who get tired of getting scratched up discs and employees of the stores will have to explain to people that HD-DVD's when scratched are more sensitive than regular DVD's and so forth and eventually just tell the people that Blu-Ray is more scratch resistant and has less problems.. Of course this is all hindsight since Blockbuster already chose Blu-Ray for the majority of its stores and will phase out HD-DVD once Universal goes neutral or a formal announcement of the loss of the format war occurs..

Lee is mistaken in his thinking that rental stores don't own their discs. Netflix has been known to get a large percentage of their library from Amazon. What will happen is that (popular) discs are sold directly by the studios to the stores at a discounted rate and for that the rental stores will give a percentage (the size depends on how good you are at getting a deal with the studio, large chains will get a good deal whereas the local independent won't) of their rental earnings to the studio of that certain title or batch of titles. The only way that the rental store will get free replacements is if the discs are defective (see recent disc-rot and boiling discussions about various HDM discs), or they are deemed damaged through normal rental use (again that is quite vague and up to the chain to negotiate with the studio, so it really depends on their negotiating skills).

If HD DVDs are easily damaged then rental chains will have it written into their contracts that they receive free replacements more often than they do with DVDs, but is seems unlikely that the studios (especially Universal) are interested in hearing that HD DVDs have a flawed design and will need replacing often. The easier thing for rental chains to do is just drop them completely (or not expand their current offering like Blockbuster) and incur less expense in replacements.
post #2146 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Supermans View Post

If this is true I learned something new today. I always thought such a policy was only in place for discs with a manufacturers defect and not rental abuse. If the rental discs are not owned by Blockbuster but are on a loan, how does that explain Blockbuster selling the used discs for a discount after they've been rented so many times? So is it a loan and then buy option or something else? In either case, Blockbuster does not want 20% or more of their customers coming back and telling them their discs do not play or freeze. People like me who rent HD-DVD's have gotten tired of getting discs that don't play. This doesn't happen with Blu-Ray discs to the same degree as my friends and I have never had a blu-ray disc not play in our PS3's while many HD-DVD's skip and freeze while some combo's don't even play. The rental company may not lose money on the discs sending the scratched disc back to the studio and getting a replacement however we as customers do lose faith quickly the more times this happens so the rental companies will lose customers who get tired of getting scratched up discs and employees of the stores will have to explain to people that HD-DVD's when scratched are more sensitive than regular DVD's and so forth and eventually just tell the people that Blu-Ray is more scratch resistant and has less problems.. Of course this is all hindsight since Blockbuster already chose Blu-Ray for the majority of its stores and will phase out HD-DVD once Universal goes neutral or a formal announcement of the loss of the format war occurs..

Just for the record, Blockbuster Chose SD-DVD for the Majority of it's stores. Even with the expansion, it leaves something like 5000 stores with neither format.

And it's not really hindsight, because Blockbuster has said it is continuing to monitor the market and does not preclude itself from expanding the HD DVD offerings in the future.

That Target annoucement is supposed to be this week, right? And I guess the 'huge' annoucement from the 20th of June was the release of BD+?
post #2147 of 2370
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Originally Posted by LynxFX View Post

Well this is probably what the 'test' stores will look like. You can guess what the expansion stores will look like.

http://www.lynxfx.com/forumpics/bluraystand.jpg

*This is just a joke, it is the weekend afterall.

Non-US markets around the world already look like that, no joke
post #2148 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987 View Post

Lee is mistaken in his thinking that rental stores don't own their discs. Netflix has been known to get a large percentage of their library from Amazon. What will happen is that (popular) discs are sold directly by the studios to the stores at a discounted rate and for that the rental stores will give a percentage (the size depends on how good you are at getting a deal with the studio, large chains will get a good deal whereas the local independent won't) of their rental earnings to the studio of that certain title or batch of titles. The only way that the rental store will get free replacements is if the discs are defective (see recent disc-rot and boiling discussions about various HDM discs), or they are deemed damaged through normal rental use (again that is quite vague and up to the chain to negotiate with the studio, so it really depends on their negotiating skills).

If HD DVDs are easily damaged then rental chains will have it written into their contracts that they receive free replacements more often than they do with DVDs, but is seems unlikely that the studios (especially Universal) are interested in hearing that HD DVDs have a flawed design and will need replacing often. The easier thing for rental chains to do is just drop them completely (or not expand their current offering like Blockbuster) and incur less expense in replacements.

Max:

2 articles concerning rental revenue sharing

Hollywood Video:

The company's bricks-and-mortar Hollywood Video division earned $8.8 million, up 45% from last year, on $256.2 million in revenues, an increase of 39%. Results were driven by growth in same-store sales, attributed to rental copy depth achieved through its revenue-sharing agreements with movie studios.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article...tal+agreements

Kozmo

In addition to agreeing to share VHS and DVD rental revenue on Warner, New Line and HBO titles with Kozmo, Warner holds 1.3 million shares in the company valued at an estimated $10 million. Executives familiar with the situation said that although the investment is Warner's first in a retailer, it does not represent a strategic direction for the studio, which is simply interested in Kozmo's business model.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA621242.html?

Lee
post #2149 of 2370
There is revenue sharing, but it's been stated that the large rental companies get their discs for free. If that's the case, why would my local Hollywood be overflowing with previously viewed discs for sale? Same with Netflix.
post #2150 of 2370
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Originally Posted by jpco View Post

There is revenue sharing, but it's been stated that the large rental companies get their discs for free. If that's the case, why would my local Hollywood be overflowing with previously viewed discs for sale? Same with Netflix.

Two different agreements:

Rental Revenue Shariing - studio provides the discs - no up front charge - share in the revenue stream during rental period.

Sales of Used Discs - either the renter can buy them for a specific price OR they sell them off and once again split the money with the studio

BB Store #1200 - gets 50 copies of Black Smake Moan (DVD) - each disc goes through the POS system so revenue can be tracked. Same thing with warehouse (and NF) for mail order rentals (but different because studio gets cut of customers month sub rate in relation to the number of titles provided).

60 days later - they start thinning down the inventory - 30 put up for sale - then more for sale until only one left.

Lions share of a DVD's revenue is generated in the first 30 days after release date.

As far as rental - the companies like BB and NF and HY have become outlets for the studios - as would anyone who rents DVD's in quanity.

Mom and Pop - can be different - I don't know and they are too samm to matter - less than 1% of market.

Of the rental business:

Blockbster - 76.4%
Netflix - 13.6%
Hollywood Video - about 7%
All others - 3%
post #2151 of 2370
First of all I watch too many movies. I walk into blockbuster with my free online rental and there is nothing to see. If I do not own the sd release than I have already seen the movies on the new release wall. I am an online member with a one day disc turnaround (three discs at a time) and have seen about everything in a few months.

I currently just return my envelope and use them to rent HD-DVD's (Huntington Beach store) whether i have seen the film or not. Most of the time I have no intention of watching the movie but instead of just mailing back the envelope I am attempting to generate more volume for HD-DVD. If more folks adopted this strategy it could make a meaningful difference
post #2152 of 2370
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Originally Posted by HB GAMER View Post

First of all I watch too many movies. I walk into blockbuster with my free online rental and there is nothing to see. If I do not own the sd release than I have already seen the movies on the new release wall. I am an online member with a one day disc turnaround (three discs at a time) and have seen about everything in a few months.

I currently just return my envelope and use them to rent HD-DVD's (Huntington Beach store) whether i have seen the film or not. Most of the time I have no intention of watching the movie but instead of just mailing back the envelope I am attempting to generate more volume for HD-DVD. If more folks adopted this strategy it could make a meaningful difference

I don't think this would work ... aren't they only tracking the in-store stuff? Or can you rent from the B&M's using Total Access?

Either way, I'm sure if someone tried this, it would be easily countered -- if it's not being done already.
post #2153 of 2370
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Originally Posted by HB GAMER View Post

First of all I watch too many movies. I walk into blockbuster with my free online rental and there is nothing to see. If I do not own the sd release than I have already seen the movies on the new release wall. I am an online member with a one day disc turnaround (three discs at a time) and have seen about everything in a few months.

I currently just return my envelope and use them to rent HD-DVD's (Huntington Beach store) whether i have seen the film or not. Most of the time I have no intention of watching the movie but instead of just mailing back the envelope I am attempting to generate more volume for HD-DVD. If more folks adopted this strategy it could make a meaningful difference

Wow, that's pretty desperate.
post #2154 of 2370
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Originally Posted by HB GAMER View Post

I currently just return my envelope and use them to rent HD-DVD's (Huntington Beach store) whether i have seen the film or not. Most of the time I have no intention of watching the movie but instead of just mailing back the envelope I am attempting to generate more volume for HD-DVD. If more folks adopted this strategy it could make a meaningful difference

Say what? You rent movies but just send them back without watching them, in order to try to help make HD-DVD look like its sustainable??
post #2155 of 2370
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Originally Posted by builty View Post

Say what? You rent movies but just send them back without watching them, in order to try to help make HD-DVD look like its sustainable??

Desperate times.... desperate times.

lol
post #2156 of 2370
Wow, that strategy isn't in my official Phase Hydrallics handbook!! You must be compensated nicely for your efforts.
post #2157 of 2370
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Originally Posted by LiquidX View Post

Sounds a bit premature of Blockbuster to make that decision when Toshiba's standalones are currently selling well.

70% is for Blu-Ray? Probably from PS3 owners trying to justify their $600 purchase since there isn't many PS3 games available.

I'd like to see Netflix's HD rental ratio.

You HD-DVD guys get over it. Everybody I know with a PS3 plays Blu-ray discs on it. It's a great player.

Dan
post #2158 of 2370
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Originally Posted by builty View Post

Say what? You rent movies but just send them back without watching them, in order to try to help make HD-DVD look like its sustainable??

Heh . . you got to give him credit. He has come up with, in his mind, something that he can do to try to influence BB. He feels that if others follow his lead, then 2 becomes 4 which becomes 16 . . . .

At least he "gave it a shot" and actually did something .. . . .

As opposed to just talking about it.

I didn't see any ad in my newspaper back in April that said that HD DVD was going to celebrate it's first Birthday and all HD DVD owners should buy at least 1 movie. That started right here and carried over to other forums where it was agreed - good idea. Last I heard , Amazon was very happy with the business.

So don't be so fast to "dump" all over an idea.
post #2159 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Heh . . you got to give him credit. He has come up with, in his mind, something that he can do to try to influence BB. He feels that if others follow his lead, then 2 becomes 4 which becomes 16 . . . .

At least he "gave it a shot" and actually did something .. . . .

As opposed to just talking about it.

I didn't see any ad in my newspaper back in April that said that HD DVD was going to celebrate it's first Birthday and all HD DVD owners should buy at least 1 movie. That started right here and carried over to other forums where it was agreed - good idea. Last I heard , Amazon was very happy with the business.

So don't be so fast to "dump" all over an idea.

Buying/renting movies because you like the movie is one thing (enthusist), doing it because you want to show your support for your format is another (fanboy).

A lot of people here have lost sight of that, which is why most of the discussions on this forum are petty bickering.

I find most of it pretty amusing.
post #2160 of 2370
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Originally Posted by joe_six_pack View Post

Buying/renting movies because you like the movie is one thing (enthusist), doing it because you want to show your support for your format is another (fanboy).

A lot of people here have lost sight of that, which is why most of the discussions on this forum are petty bickering.

I find most of it pretty amusing.

Oh . . I see . . .

Showing support for your format choice is considered "fanboyism" by pulling out your wallet and putting your money where your mouth is.

OK . . you can have all the enthusists and HD DVD will take all the "fanboys."

Seems like a good deal to me.
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