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post #2251 of 2370
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Originally Posted by jdg345 View Post

So lack of Region Coding shouldn't be considered huge? While I agree that the average consumer doesn't know much about the availability of imports, I'd also think that the average consumer doesn't know much about BR and HD DVD.

That said, I think for the people on these forums, for the enthusists, the fact that you can get 'exclusive' Blu-ray titles on HD DVD across the pond is pretty important. It goes to show you how 'exclusive' things really are. *shrug*

Does the average consumer know the difference between a BD25, a BD50, and an HD30? Since they won't know what the media is by looking at the package, I guess the capacity differences between formats is moot too ... as long as the PQ/AQ is on par. *shrug*

Having to rely on importation is a hassle, and adds significantly to the lifetime cost of the format. If the enthusiast were to choose one format, then Blu-ray already offers the majority of the movie selection available, without the dependence on imports.

There is no guarantee that HD DVD will remain region free, as studios must rely on theatrical windows to protect regional theatrical releases of their movies. It is also questionable that overseas HD DVD publishers will retain licenses to all future BD exclusive releases.
post #2252 of 2370
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Originally Posted by onanie View Post

Having to rely on importation is a hassle, and adds significantly to the lifetime cost of the format. If the enthusiast were to choose one format, then Blu-ray already offers the majority of the movie selection available, without the dependence on imports.

There is no guarantee that HD DVD will remain region free, as studios must rely on theatrical windows to protect regional theatrical releases of their movies. It is also questionable that overseas HD DVD publishers will retain licenses to all future BD exclusive releases.

All current players are Region Free and support the full spec, so that's that. And, the majority of the movie selection available, after the recent amazon annoucement, is clearly in HD DVD's favor.

But, again, this is for the Format Battle Thread ... can we get back OT to Blockbuster?
post #2253 of 2370
Importation doesn't affect overall sales enough to matter. Only enthusiasts really consider importing, and only a small minority of us will consider importing titles from abroad.

Most people want to walk into their local store and buy discs; and you'll almost never see imported discs in that scenario. This goes double for imported discs for rental markets.
post #2254 of 2370
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Originally Posted by jdg345 View Post

So lack of Region Coding shouldn't be considered huge? While I agree that the average consumer doesn't know much about the availability of imports, I'd also think that the average consumer doesn't know much about BR and HD DVD.

That said, I think for the people on these forums, for the enthusists, the fact that you can get 'exclusive' Blu-ray titles on HD DVD across the pond is pretty important. It goes to show you how 'exclusive' things really are. *shrug*

Does the average consumer know the difference between a BD25, a BD50, and an HD30? Since they won't know what the media is by looking at the package, I guess the capacity differences between formats is moot too ... as long as the PQ/AQ is on par. *shrug*

Most importantly, this has nothing to do with Blockbuster and is completely offtopic. This should be a conversation for the Format Battle Thread. This one has pretty much run it's course ... the horse is dead. We'll see if there are any changes in strategy now that Blockbuster has a new CEO.

From Endgadget last year:

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Well, the 34th DVD Forum Steering Committee meeting occurred two days ago in Seattle, but it wasn't just the usual hum drum logo approvals and plans for world living room domination. This time they approved two working programs which could be very interesting in the coming months and years: the first calls for development of a spec and region map, and the enforcement of region codes for HD DVD video discs -- where there currently is none (much to the benefit of most consumers, and to their advantage over Blu-ray). It's yet to be finalized and pushed through for future revisions of the HD DVD spec, but don't be surprised if your net-connected HD DVD player all of a sudden obtains the region code "feature." Oh, and the Steering Committee notes also make mention of developing "physical Specifications for China only HD DVD-ROM format." Ok, guess they weren't just gonna lie down on the EVD and VMD issue after all -- but what, no plans to tackle VCDHD in the Ukraine? Eh, anyway, we'll keep you posted on developments.

Hmmmm...Wasn't the China format just approved recently? I wonder how far away region coding is for HD DVD.

Universal ups Emrey to exec VP

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Universal Studios Home Entertainment has elevated Tom Emrey to exec VP and chief operating officer.
Emrey, previously CFO for U's homevid division, continues to report to Craig Kornblau, prexy of U homevid and its digital platform group.

Promotion stems from the studio's ongoing restructuring. Earlier this month, Kornblau gained oversight of digital activities, including video on demand, electronic sell-through, mobile entertainment and interactive gaming.

In his expanded role, Emrey will oversee strategy, research, operations and logistics across those platforms.

We'll see if there are any changes in strategy now that Universal has a new CEO.
post #2255 of 2370
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Originally Posted by jdg345 View Post

All current players are Region Free and support the full spec, so that's that. And, the majority of the movie selection available, after the recent amazon annoucement, is clearly in HD DVD's favor.

But, again, this is for the Format Battle Thread ... can we get back OT to Blockbuster?

I disagree. There is a better selection of BD movies available, as evidenced by the popularity rankings. Blockbuster's choice simply reflects this.

As for "region free", the AACS spec includes region coding regardless of format. All it takes is a new firmware to enforce it, while "the DVD Forum receives pressure from Hollywood content owners to add region coding". But, as has been pointed out, this has no bearing on blockbuster's positive effect on blu-ray support.
post #2256 of 2370
Blockbuster predicting Blu skies in the forecast is the single biggest news since this pillow fight began.
Hopefully soon we can get on with the actual war with BD and sd dvd doing battle.
post #2257 of 2370
Has anyone actually seen their local stores begin stocking Blu-ray titles yet? The local one in NYC still has none and the guy seems clueless about when they are.
post #2258 of 2370
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Originally Posted by kevinqian View Post

Has anyone actually seen their local stores begin stocking Blu-ray titles yet? The local one in NYC still has none and the guy seems clueless about when they are.

Another post around here somewhere claims that they might already have them in stock with the 'official date' being next Tuesday, July the 10th.
post #2259 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Jiffylush View Post

Another post around here somewhere claims that they might already have them in stock with the 'official date' being next Tuesday, July the 10th.


I just saw this thread after I posted that in the BR Software forum. The BB employee said they are coming out onto the shelves on July 10th. All those pretty Blu discs are sitting somewhere in the store warehouse.
post #2260 of 2370
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Originally Posted by kevinqian View Post

Has anyone actually seen their local stores begin stocking Blu-ray titles yet? The local one in NYC still has none and the guy seems clueless about when they are.

The store in Nanuet NY is one of the original 250 stores, so I see them (and HD-DVD) there. However, the other stores still seem to have no clue if they are getting them or not.
post #2261 of 2370
"Sony is a supplier of video content to Blockbuster, has a major retail presence in video-related consumer electronics that can potentially be linked with Blockbuster on a promotional basis, and is a significant investor in the online movie download service Movielink, which Blockbuster has actively been trying to acquire. It makes much more strategic sense in general for Blockbuster to ally itself with Sony's Blu-ray Disc format versus Toshiba's HD DVD." from IMS market research here is the link.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/blues-for...ard-274895.php
post #2262 of 2370
Starting next week on the 10th, we will know which BB locations are going to stock the BD titles.
This will come in very handy for BD movies that are on the borderline as far as renting/purchasing goes.
post #2263 of 2370
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Originally Posted by jugganutz View Post

"Sony is a supplier of video content to Blockbuster, has a major retail presence in video-related consumer electronics that can potentially be linked with Blockbuster on a promotional basis, and is a significant investor in the online movie download service Movielink, which Blockbuster has actively been trying to acquire. It makes much more strategic sense in general for Blockbuster to ally itself with Sony's Blu-ray Disc format versus Toshiba's HD DVD." from IMS market research here is the link.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/blues-for...ard-274895.php

You should have quoted this paragraph:

"Based on his work in the report, "The Future of High-Definition TV -2007 Edition," Erickson states that the announcement will ultimately have limited impact: "The retail video rental business remains in a steady decline. Though this announcement appears to be a PR coup for Blu-ray Disc, it is doubtful that it will actually drive increased hardware penetration. Actual sales indicate that mainstream consumers are generally happy with DVD, and still find both blue formats' standalone players too expensive for mass adoption, regardless of content availability."
post #2264 of 2370
I have blockbuster online and their bluray selections have a long wait time compared to Netflix. However, when i went to the local blockbuster store (this never carried any high def content) yesterday, I enquired about bluray and was told they were instructed by management to make room for them. Cool. I hope they get a good selection soon and I hope I can get them for free when I return my online selections just like how I get the DVDs for free now. This store is in Independence, MO (near Noland and Hwy-40).
post #2265 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

You should have quoted this paragraph:

"Based on his work in the report, "The Future of High-Definition TV -2007 Edition," Erickson states that the announcement will ultimately have limited impact: "The retail video rental business remains in a steady decline. Though this announcement appears to be a PR coup for Blu-ray Disc, it is doubtful that it will actually drive increased hardware penetration. Actual sales indicate that mainstream consumers are generally happy with DVD, and still find both blue formats' standalone players too expensive for mass adoption, regardless of content availability."

Once again, I have sat on the fence in this war until the Blockbuster news and the emergence of a $500 Blu-Ray player. I spent $500 for my first DVD player. I am buying a Blu-Ray player in the next 2 weeks. We stopped by BB today to rent a few movies. Now, normally with 4 DVR tuners during the TV season we very seldom rent, but come off-season/summer the renting picks up. Our household has used both Netflix and Blockbuster online during the offseason the past few years.

Well, today when in the BB 2 blocks from the house we were there to rent 3 latest release movies. We have yet to re-establish an online rental program this summer so far.

Well, the BB guy says I can save you $5 on your rentals today if you sign up for BB online. I told him we've used it before and it's about time to sign up again since it's summer, so why not. He moved us over to a laptop next to the checkout counter to set up the BB online account. Of course to get the trial/new account/free rental, we had to use the wife's e-mail, etc. since mine had been used previously.

Anyway, while signing up I mentioned the Blu-Ray stuff and if they would be carrying any HD media. He was telling me that he wasn't sure, but his store manager overheard the conversation and said as of Tuesday, July 10th, they would have a Blu-Ray section, and this is a store that isn't carrying an HD format at this time. She lamented that she was glad "corporate" had picked just one of the HD formats, because she was going to have a hard enough time making space for one, much less two more formats.

This will have an impact, I don't care what anyone says.

Take that for what you will......
post #2266 of 2370
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Originally Posted by deepthinker View Post

This will have an impact, I don't care what anyway says.

Take that for what you will......

Congrats on moving into HD media. The announcement and the ensuing price drop by Toshiba gave me the impression that we'll be in this for the long haul, so I purchased the A2 HD-DVD player with the expectation that I'll go dual format over Christmas.

This will have an impact. BB will rent regular DVDs instead of HD-DVDs to those who take the plunge for the cheap Toshiba players. I'm not sure many will allow one retailer (one that's tried to rip me off multiple times with bogus late fees) to dictate their direction.
post #2267 of 2370
Went to my local Blockbuster today....No Blu Ray until Friday. They had three large display racks in a great location in the center of the store.

They will carry 125 titles to start and charge $4.99 for rental (.50 cent upchrage).
post #2268 of 2370
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

Went to my local Blockbuster today....No Blu Ray until Friday. They had three large display racks in a great location in the center of the store.

They will carry 125 titles to start and charge $4.99 for rental (.50 cent upchrage).

$4.99 for a rental? How in the world does Blockbuster stay in business?
post #2269 of 2370
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Originally Posted by davetroy View Post

$4.99 for a rental? How in the world does Blockbuster stay in business?

Blockbuster has 74% of the rental market....perhaps it is only you that finds them too expensive. I thought it cheap. A .50 cent surcharge for HD media.

$5 for 2-3 hours of entertainment.

Moreover, I am going to switch to their on-line sytem and return my flix at the store for faster service (not to mention picking up the newest releases).

Fantastic!!
post #2270 of 2370
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Originally Posted by davetroy View Post

$4.99 for a rental? How in the world does Blockbuster stay in business?

Movie Gallery charges 4.39 locally for an sd dvd rental...and then they try and pimp you with the damage insurance on every rental on top of that.

4.99 for a BD rental seems reasonable in comparison.
post #2271 of 2370
No big deal. I'm not trying to start an argument. It's just that I'm used to paying $13.99 a month for Netflix. Do they have an HD or Blu-Ray surcharge?
post #2272 of 2370
Another reason why those $1 DVD vending machines are so popular. But once you go to the monthly plans of either Blockbuster or Netflix, it is a screaming deal.
post #2273 of 2370
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Originally Posted by davetroy View Post

No big deal. I'm not trying to start an argument. It's just that I'm used to paying $13.99 a month for Netflix. Do they have an HD or Blu-Ray surcharge?

Nope, no surcharge for HD DVD or Blu-ray from Netflix.
post #2274 of 2370
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

Blockbuster has 74% of the rental market....perhaps it is only you that finds them too expensive. I thought it cheap. A .50 cent surcharge for HD media.

$5 for 2-3 hours of entertainment.

Moreover, I am going to switch to their on-line sytem and return my flix at the store for faster service (not to mention picking up the newest releases).

Fantastic!!

Ah no - they do not have 74% of the rental market:

2006 - Total rental market - $7.5 Billion

Movie Gallery - $2.5 Billion

Netflix - $1 Billion

Blockbuster - Approx - $3.5 Billion

All others - .5 Billion

That puts BBI at 46.6% . . . . . not 74%
post #2275 of 2370
I use Netflix...It has been great!
post #2276 of 2370
They got the expanded BD stuff at the store near my house. I traded my mailers for 2 movies and got a Wii game for $5. Netflix who?
post #2277 of 2370
I belong to Blockbuster Online, but I just hate going to their stores (messy, long lines, etc). I use Redbox for all my spur of the moment rentals and Blockbuster Online for everything else.
post #2278 of 2370
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Originally Posted by Andrew P View Post

I belong to Blockbuster Online, but I just hate going to their stores (messy, long lines, etc). I use Redbox for all my spur of the moment rentals and Blockbuster Online for everything else.

I waited for 5 minutes to bypass 2 "very long" spots in my que. Seems like a good deal to me. Especially with the $5 game rental.
post #2279 of 2370
Does anyone else feel the "big" blockbuster announcement was just to draw attention away from the fact that they were closing over 200 stores and fired their CEO.

Last year they closed over 200 stores as well. (Closer to 300)

Them announcing they are supporting BD in stores doesn't mean much as they are closing stores every year and more and more people are migrating to online rental.
post #2280 of 2370
THe annoucement is only 'big' to us enthusiasts. In the whole schem of their follwers, it is really nothing of significance.
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