Definitive Technology ProCinema Series 600/800/1000 (or 60/80/100) Thread - Page 6

i got my promonitor 800 surrounds hooked up and they sound great. i've been playing bioshock on the xbox with these and have been very impressed so far. i have them set up with the promonitor 1000's for left and right fronts and the procenter 2000. now all i need is a sub and i am straight, but it will be about a month till i can get one.

nerdyone,

Can you mount those BPX's on the wall and them work right? Or are they not mounted to the wall? I thought Bipolars needed air-space behind.

can I recommend the SVS SB12 plus about 1.1 foot square ~$700. I'm matching that up with my PC2000 & PM1000's

Thanks. As we discussed, although far from a perfect room, I do think this will work and therefore I would love to see a pair of the 7004 towers flanking the Plasma at least 6 inches from the wall . They would be close enough where you really don't need a center (receiver set to phantom center). Then a pair of BP2Xs in the rears in a little bit towards the middle of each couch and about 2 feet above you. For a little bit more than a full Pro Cinema system, you will almost certainly get true home theater performance that's in a whole other league. You can decide if you want to add a separate subwoofer later on, but the subs in each of the 7004 should outperform a single ProSub quite easily. Love to hear what others think, but I've done so many set-ups at this point and I've been pretty good at getting it right.

For anyone that is a Def Tech enthusiast, we do have a Def Tech Owner's Thread that has a lot of expertise so please check it out too.

Bipolars? I think they are dipoles. the 7002's, 7004's, etc... are bipolar speakers

Def Tech calls them bipolar and I am guessing the reason for the "BP" in BPX. :-)

I do believe dipolars fire out of phase. The BPs fire together.

I believe you are correct. But I do think they fire in phase as they sound fine when I do the out of phase test.

I am shocked that nobody else has the Pro Cinema 200 speakers. These things are massive for bookshelf speakers.

I agree, the BPs fire in phase. It was dipolars that I believe fire out of phase. I don't own any though. As for the PC 200s, they don't make them anymore. I liked them, but I tried them at the same time the studio 350s came out and went with those instead. I liked the more detailed sound from the 3-way speaker, plus the size more met the WAF. They did have more base though at the time, with the WAF, I would have liked the PT400 in front with the PM200s in back. The other thing is they did't make a matching center with the 6.5" woofers. The PM100s had the C2 at the time.

Yeah, my wife hates the 200's. I am not familiar with the PT400 and I can't imagine using the 200's in the rear due to the size and the fact you can't wall mount them as they use a nonstandard mount size.

The PM100's had the 100 for the center. The 200 had the c2. There was a pro sub 12" that also came out for a bit but it wasn't as accurate as the SC 3.

Hi everyone,

new to this site as evidenced by this being my first post however I just recently went on a bit of a tear on my first home theater system and opted for a 5.1 system consisting of the Onkyo 605, pro cinema 1000 plus (procenter 2000) and was wondering a few different things.

A) How important is a line conditioner and if it is super important any recommendations?

B) With the current setup would it be sufficient and loud enough for a room the size of 20x15 or so?

thanks for all the help I've been reading from behind the scenes and everyone is so helpful here it's nice to see.

str8raw

Line conditioning depends on your power company. If the lights in your house dim from time to time or often then yes get one, or you can buy a multimeter from say Sears and look at the frequency and voltage and weather it is steady or fluctuates. I just have a Belkin surge/condition strip bought on Amazon for around $28( insures connected equip. for $250,000). Your choice.

Should be plenty loud.
Make sure to run Audussey with every appliance,fan,wife,dog,off/out of the house. Then adjust speaker levels per manual with a sound pressure level meter at your listening position. Adjust levels for each speaker (pink noise is generated) to -75db.
I have an 805 so I can't tell you the manual pages. My levels are around -3db except the sub.
Hope you enjoy the Def Techs, I have the 800's in a 25 x 12 room and love them...Just added two more speakers for 7.1...even better and get more Thx and Dolby modes.
Let us know how it works out.

Thank you very much, I just rec'd my 605 from circuit city and should get the speakers at the end of this week. I'm hoping to get everything setup before football kickoff this Sunday, but the online retailer says they're on back order and waiting for the subs and center channel before they ship. I'll be sure to post back once I get everything in and setup thanks again.

In case anyone is interested, below is some direction I received from DefTech:

Thanks for your recent email to Definitive Technology. There are two "common" methods of connecting this system. First, you could connect a single RCA cable from the "sub out" connection on your receiver to the LFE jack on your subwoofer. You would then connect all of your speakers directly to your receiver. With this hook up method, I'd recommend setting your receiver to "small" speakers and subwoofer "on" or "yes".
This way, all the bass from your system is redirected to the subwoofer.

Next, you could have the subwoofer connected with speaker wire (along with your front speakers). With this hook up method, I'd connect the front left and right speaker outputs of your receiver to the left and right high level inputs on your subwoofer. I'd then connect you front left and right speakers to the high level outputs on your subwoofer. If you connect your system this way, I recommend setting your receiver to "large" front speakers and "no" subwoofer. (I'd still set the center speaker and surround speakers to "small".)

(With either hookup method, your center speaker and rear speakers would connect directly to your receiver.)

Which connection method is better? Honestly, both methods should sound quite good. The first method (of connecting your subwoofer with a single subwoofer cable) relies on your receiver to properly blend your subwoofer and satellites together. (As long as you can adjust the crossover frequency on your receiver's "sub out" to 100 hz or so, your receiver should do an adequate job of this.)

If you connect your subwoofer with speaker wire (along with your front speakers), the crossover in the subwoofer is responsible for blending the satellites and subwoofer together. (I know our subwoofer will do a good job of this......In this case, I'd recommend setting the crossover on the ProSub 800 subwoofer to 100 hz.)

(I wouldn't expect to hear a difference when using either of the two hookup methods described above.)

[quote=stixx;11539469]In case anyone is interested, below is some direction I received from DefTech:

Thanks for your recent email to Definitive Technology. There are two "common" methods of connecting this system. First, you could connect a single RCA cable from the "sub out" connection on your receiver to the LFE jack on your subwoofer. You would then connect all of your speakers directly to your receiver. With this hook up method, I'd recommend setting your receiver to "small" speakers and subwoofer "on" or "yes".
This way, all the bass from your system is redirected to the subwoofer.

Next, you could have the subwoofer connected with speaker wire (along with your front speakers). With this hook up method, I'd connect the front left and right speaker outputs of your receiver to the left and right high level inputs on your subwoofer. I'd then connect you front left and right speakers to the high level outputs on your subwoofer. If you connect your system this way, I recommend setting your receiver to "large" front speakers and "no" subwoofer. (I'd still set the center speaker and surround speakers to "small".)

(With either hookup method, your center speaker and rear speakers would connect directly to your receiver.)

Which connection method is better? Honestly, both methods should sound quite good. The first method (of connecting your subwoofer with a single subwoofer cable) relies on your receiver to properly blend your subwoofer and satellites together. (As long as you can adjust the crossover frequency on your receiver's "sub out" to 100 hz or so, your receiver should do an adequate job of this.)

If you connect your subwoofer with speaker wire (along with your front speakers), the crossover in the subwoofer is responsible for blending the satellites and subwoofer together. (I know our subwoofer will do a good job of this......In this case, I'd recommend setting the crossover on the ProSub 800 subwoofer to 100 hz.)

(I wouldn't expect to hear a difference when using either of the two hookup methods described above.)[/QUOTE


Thanks for sharing this info. I was going to write and ask them the same question. I really did not want to have to run my front left and rights off the sub but if there is no difference in sound quality and you can terminate them at your receiver that is great.

I am considering the 1000 plus system.
Does anybody know of New York Wholesale Audio and Video. Are they reputable?

Gray market, very unprofessional, not an authorized Def Tech dealer. I'd stay away from them. Try something like ABT, they are authorized and if you call them you may be able to get them to match even unauthorized dealer prices or at least come very close.

Thanks for your input. They have one of those to good to be true prices on there 1000 plus package. Wasn't sure if anybody here had a pleasant business experiance with or not. I'll probably stear clear and not chance it. I will try ABT and see how close they can come to matching it for me.

I just bought a pair of ProMoniter 800s and a ProCenter 1000 from ABT and they gave me a big price reduction from their posted web prices. They also have free shipping. ABT is a great dealer to buy from, with very good customer support.

BTW can anyone recommed speaker stands for the ProMoniter 800s? I'm thinking of going with Sanus, either the EF-SAT Euro or the HF1B Hover.

I have the EF-SAT Euro silver/black for both front and rear. I think the HF1B would be for smaller satellite speakers, they seem too thin and I think the Def Tech 800's would look funny on them, plus I don't think they would be very stable.

Mounting the speakers will be a pain even though the EF-SAT comes with plenty of plates. I could not find one that fits well due to the shape of the Def Tech speakers, you'll see what I'm talking about when you get them. You may be OK though with the mounting plate sticking out a little bit on the sides or front if you want to use mounting screws, or using the double-sided sticky tape. I was not. What I ended up doing is not using a plate at all, instead I used an included open-ended screw and a rubber/plastic washer to screw directly into the bottom of the speaker and into the stand rod. I think it looks best, you don't see any mounting plates and it's rock solid.

I bought the EF-SAT silver/black at Amazon Marketplace from a 3rd party merchant for ~ $30 shipped per pair. At this price I think it's a no brainer. I can always trash them later on and get better/nicer stands.

The other option is to look at the Def Tech stands, but they only come in black and I think they are not tall enough for my taste, in particular for the rears. The EF-SAT are adjustable height.

Thanks for the input.

So you screwed a included bolt from the bottom? Is there a hole on the bottom of the PM800s to thread a bolt?

Yes, that's the nice part, no messy sticky tape to hold the speaker in place on a plate. The speaker also has a hole in the back, by the binding posts so you could use an L-shaped mounting bracket too.

Make sure you screw in the bolt all the way in the speaker first (it will stop) and then put a rubber/plastic washer so you don't scratch the speaker and screw in the stand rod into the speaker next.

Also, if you are handy drilling holes into the mounting metal plate, I'm sure you can drill a hole in a better position so that the mounting plate doesn't show. I was about to do just that when I realized I could do away without the mounting plate and in the end it looks much better not seeing any plate at all.

I'm sure the original Def Tech stands will mount much better, but they did not seem tall enough to me.

In the end I'm happy with the stands, they are very stable and the silver rod gives a nice contrast and emphasizes the speakers. The rest of my equipment/stands is all black with slight silver/chrome touches, so I used the same theme for the speaker stands rather than going with all-black stands - it takes away from the overall darkness.

What are you guys using for wall mounts? I am going to be wall mounting my 800's and a ProCenter 1000. Also, thanks for the info on the stands.

I wouldn't recommend Def. Tech. mounts. I have my 1000's mounted on them and cannot aim them correctly. Besides the ball and socket mechanism is very loose despite tightening the nut.

Look into other products.

If you go the ABT route, look up ***********, she's very good.

I think I will try how you did yours, and I agree the black with silver will make a nice contrast and break up the black and maybe give the stand more of a lite look. I just picked up my speakers from ABT at lunch today. I'm ordering the stands from Amazon even though BB carries the stand but they are like 35-40 bucks more.

Thanks, SirDracula.

How big of a reduction are we talking here? The posted prices seem to be MSRP so a minimum of 15% discount is required just to make the prices fair. I am looking to get the ProMonitor 1000 complete system, so was wondering what kind of discount I could expect

Call them and you'll find out Why are some people so afraid of working the phone?

I received over a 20% discount going thru ABT (compared with their stated prices on the web)

I just spoke with them, but they came no where near 20%, more like 12%. I have a local guy giving 15%....

I used Omnimount 10's for my 800's on the ceiling. I also bought the def tech stands for my fronts and they are "ok". Bought from ABT, good price.

Just telling ya what I got