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post #211 of 7193
ncstatefan, 16 guage will work fine as well as the HK receiver. You may want to look at offerings from Onkyo and Denon as well just to do some comparo's.
post #212 of 7193
So I just picked up the ProCinema 1000 Plus (4X ProMonitor 1000, ProCenter 2000, ProSub 1000) along with a Onkyo TX-SR705 receiver.

I have a question about crossover frequency settings. I've searched this thread and saw some suggestions on the promonitor 600s and 800s but not much on the 1000s. So how low can I set the 1000s? Is 80hz too low? What are the consequences of setting it too low? Is it basically you are sending too much low frequency signals to your speakers with relatively small drivers so they will distort at higher volumes?

How about the LFE? I have the sub connected through the single LFE RCA cable. Crossover on the actual sub is set to max so that way I'll control the crossover on the receiver. Right now I have the LFE set to 120hz. So now there is a 40hz overlap between my front/center/surround speakers set at 80 and my sub set at 120. Is that something to be avoided? Should they match in freq (say everything set at 100hz)? I'm really quite confused.
post #213 of 7193
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Originally Posted by ARogan View Post

So I just picked up the ProCinema 1000 Plus (4X ProMonitor 1000, ProCenter 2000, ProSub 1000) along with a Onkyo TX-SR705 receiver.

I have a question about crossover frequency settings. I've searched this thread and saw some suggestions on the promonitor 600s and 800s but not much on the 1000s. So how low can I set the 1000s? Is 80hz too low? What are the consequences of setting it too low? Is it basically you are sending too much low frequency signals to your speakers with relatively small drivers so they will distort at higher volumes?

How about the LFE? I have the sub connected through the single LFE RCA cable. Crossover on the actual sub is set to max so that way I'll control the crossover on the receiver. Right now I have the LFE set to 120hz. So now there is a 40hz overlap between my front/center/surround speakers set at 80 and my sub set at 120. Is that something to be avoided? Should they match in freq (say everything set at 100hz)? I'm really quite confused.

You can call or email Def Tech and ask them, but in my experience every time I talked to someone else at Def Tech I got a different answer for my 800's, from 80Hz to 120Hz, so I'm not sure there is only 1 answer or if there is, they don't know it either - which is surprising.

The LFE setting has nothing to do with the crossover of the speakers as far as I understand it. That's just specifically for the LFE channel information (e.g. Dolby Digital 5.1), it allows you to cut off upper frequencies if your sub for example cannot deal with something above say 120Hz. But I understand usually there's no information above 80Hz on the LFE channel anyway and even setting it at 80Hz would not hurt anything.

Btw, if you have your speakers crossed at 100Hz and set LFE at 80Hz that will NOT mean you have a gap between 80-100Hz for the reason above. The LFE setting will only clip the info that's specifically on the LFE channel (DD5.1, DTS, etc. but not Stereo for example).

Here's a review on the 800's and they guy crossed them at 75-80Hz which I think is too low for the 800's, but crossing your 1000's at 80Hz may work very well:

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/spe...er-system.html
post #214 of 7193
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Originally Posted by SirDracula View Post

The LFE setting has nothing to do with the crossover of the speakers as far as I understand it. That's just specifically for the LFE channel information (e.g. Dolby Digital 5.1), it allows you to cut off upper frequencies if your sub for example cannot deal with something above say 120Hz. But I understand usually there's no information above 80Hz on the LFE channel anyway and even setting it at 80Hz would not hurt anything.

OK NOW things are starting to make sense. Thanks for that bit of information.

So leaving my sub at 120 shouldn't hurt (at least in theory b/c that sub is suppose to be able to do 120). When playing music and other sources without a dedicated .1 LFE channel it doesn't make any difference anyways.

On the speaker settings I guess it's just at what point you want to start sending the lower frequencies to the sub vs just having your speakers play those frequencies.

Man, none of this stuff is really explained at all in any of the manuals, and it's what I consider quite important information.
post #215 of 7193
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Originally Posted by ARogan View Post

Man, none of this stuff is really explained at all in any of the manuals, and it's what I consider quite important information.

You're supposed to pay an "expert" to set it all up for you. Unfortunately most of the time these "experts" are clueless, all they know is how to strip wires.
post #216 of 7193
Here's an explanation straight from Dolby Labs on what LFE really is:

http://www.dolby.com/assets/pdf/tech_library/38_LFE.pdf

Short version: LFE is not the same thing as a subwoofer and the 2 cannot be used interchangeably.
post #217 of 7193
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Originally Posted by SirDracula View Post

Here's a review on the 800's and they guy crossed them at 75-80Hz which I think is too low for the 800's, but crossing your 1000's at 80Hz may work very well

I crossed my 1000's at 100Hz, and they souded great for HT, but a little weak for music. I changed them to 80Hz, and they sounded great for music, and not quite as good for HT, but the trade off was worth it.

Ultimately, I ended up using them as surrounds, and getting Studio Monitor 350's for the mains. I cross the 350's at 60Hz and the 1000's at 100Hz. It's perfect.

In any case, the trick to getting the right blend is making sure that your SW is set up properly.
post #218 of 7193
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Originally Posted by ARogan View Post

So I just picked up the ProCinema 1000 Plus (4X ProMonitor 1000, ProCenter 2000, ProSub 1000) along with a Onkyo TX-SR705 receiver.

You ran Audyssey, right? What did that recommend for crossover?
post #219 of 7193
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Originally Posted by cmf View Post

You ran Audyssey, right? What did that recommend for crossover?

Yup and it had some screwy settings (3 samples).
sub yes
F 150
c 60
s 70
sb none
lpf of lfe 80

and here is what I ended up tweaking them to:
sub yes
f 90
c 90
s 90
sb none
lpf of lfe 120

Though I really liked them crossed over at 80 too.
post #220 of 7193
Well I finally have my system all set up Pioneer Elite VSX-82 TS receiver and the ProCinema 1000 plus speaker system. The sound from this system far exceed my expectations. The best part is even wifey says it was money well spent. I must send out a big thanks to one of the members here. ADz523 from next level Audio and Video helped me with my speaker purchase. Along with saving me quite a bit of money his advise was invaluable in my making the purchase.
Now to sit back and enjoy my "theater". Thanks again Adam
post #221 of 7193
Sirdracula,
I was wondering why you decided to take back your 600's and chose the 800's. I purchased the Procinema 600's and was wondering if I should have went with the 800's too. My room size is 16' x 16' x 12' ceiling. I will not be using the 600's as front speakers,just as side and surrounds to complete a 7.1 set-up with a Denon 2808CI. I will use existing floor speakers for the fronts. Do you think the 600's will do the job for sides and surrounds? Thanks for your input.Jeff
post #222 of 7193
Mainly because I wanted a better center speaker. Plus that my wife said they looked so small - if you say that to a guy, it will then cost you more They did look a little funny on the stands next to the rest of my bigger equipment.

I got a good deal on them from ABT so I think the upgrade was well worth it.

For surround they should be very good, in fact I was looking to get a pair of 600's for the rear instead of 800's, too bad they only sell them as a package.
post #223 of 7193
So for kicks I emailed Chet over at def tech asking about suggested crossover and my current setting of 90hz for promonitor 1000. Here is the reply:
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I believe you're right on target with the crossover settings of this system. Selecting a crossover frequency between 80hz and 100hz would be quite acceptable. (Since the ProMonitor 1000s are flat and accurate down to about 85hz, so settling on a crossover frequency of 90hz should be ideal.)
post #224 of 7193
I went and visited the only convenient Definitive dealer today and was simply amazed at the quality and volume of the sound put out by these speakers (demo'ed all three ProCinema lines). What amazed me even more is how little it costs to upgrade; going from the 600s all around to a setup consisting of 800s on the corners plus 1000 center and sub was only a $400 increase.* The only problem was that the 600s were in a fixed display on the floor and the 800s/1000s were in a listening room.

Has anyone who has upgraded from the 600/60 line to the 800/1000 series tell me if you noticed a significant difference in your home? I'm having a hard time comparing them since they weren't in the same space or driven by the same amp.

Thanks in advance.

*Footnote: I just realized that the prices I was quoted today are exactly those on DefTech's website. Does anyone discount these speakers?
post #225 of 7193
Does anyone have a good recommendation for speaker stands for the 600 sats? I have a high couch and need something that clears 48'' so I'm limited to the tall ones. I don't want to wall/ceiling mount them as my room arrangement moves often.
Thanks,
post #226 of 7193
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Originally Posted by geenski View Post

Does anyone have a good recommendation for speaker stands for the 600 sats? I have a high couch and need something that clears 48'' so I'm limited to the tall ones. I don't want to wall/ceiling mount them as my room arrangement moves often.
Thanks,

I have the Sanus EFSat all around (they come in both black and silver/black):

http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-Systems-.../dp/B00005USAQ

I like them, they are adjustable but it seems they only go up to 42". 48" is a tall couch! You can put them on the sides of the couch if you have room.

Check my post back in this thread with a mounting tip for these stands if you decide to get them. Mounting them on a plate didn't work well at all for me.
post #227 of 7193
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Originally Posted by cmf View Post

I went and visited the only convenient Definitive dealer today and was simply amazed at the quality and volume of the sound put out by these speakers (demo'ed all three ProCinema lines). What amazed me even more is how little it costs to upgrade; going from the 600s all around to a setup consisting of 800s on the corners plus 1000 center and sub was only a $400 increase.* The only problem was that the 600s were in a fixed display on the floor and the 800s/1000s were in a listening room.

Has anyone who has upgraded from the 600/60 line to the 800/1000 series tell me if you noticed a significant difference in your home? I'm having a hard time comparing them since they weren't in the same space or driven by the same amp.

Thanks in advance.

*Footnote: I just realized that the prices I was quoted today are exactly those on DefTech's website. Does anyone discount these speakers?

Try ABT.com (call them, don't look at the prices on the web site, those are MSRP, you should get 15-20% off depending on what you order).

As for the improvement, I upgraded from 600s to 800s. The thing that made a difference was the ProCenter 1000. The sub is also more powerful, but I'm not into house-shaking bass, so I don't care too much about that.

In my case the upgrade was well worth it, I got my 600s at Magnolia/BestBuy retail vs. the 800s at ABT, discounted, no tax, shipping, etc. the upgrade came out to just a little bit more.
post #228 of 7193
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Originally Posted by SirDracula View Post

Try ABT.com (call them, don't look at the prices on the web site, those are MSRP, you should get 15-20% off depending on what you order).

As for the improvement, I upgraded from 600s to 800s. The thing that made a difference was the ProCenter 1000. The sub is also more powerful, but I'm not into house-shaking bass, so I don't care too much about that.

In my case the upgrade was well worth it, I got my 600s at Magnolia/BestBuy retail vs. the 800s at ABT, discounted, no tax, shipping, etc. the upgrade came out to just a little bit more.

Thanks! Will check out Abt.

I did confirm one suspicion today, though: I do not have audiophile's ears. When he switched from the 800s to the 1000s, I couldn't tell the difference at all. Oh well...saves me some money, at least. :-)
post #229 of 7193
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Originally Posted by SirDracula View Post

I have the Sanus EFSat all around (they come in both black and silver/black):

http://www.amazon.com/Sanus-Systems-.../dp/B00005USAQ

I like them, they are adjustable but it seems they only go up to 42". 48" is a tall couch! You can put them on the sides of the couch if you have room.

Check my post back in this thread with a mounting tip for these stands if you decide to get them. Mounting them on a plate didn't work well at all for me.

A comment on mounting, I used the L bracket with the 800s on the Sanus stands and it worked for me. If you want to use bananna plugs there will not be enough clearence.
post #230 of 7193
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Originally Posted by cmf View Post

Thanks! Will check out Abt.

I did confirm one suspicion today, though: I do not have audiophile's ears. When he switched from the 800s to the 1000s, I couldn't tell the difference at all. Oh well...saves me some money, at least. :-)

You will probaly only hear a difference between the two when playing at higher volumes and or bigger listening area.

Yes check out ABT if you call in you can get a 15-20% discount. They seem to discount more on the ProCenter 1000.
post #231 of 7193
Anyone have any ideas on the best way to wall mount a Pro Center 1000?
post #232 of 7193
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Originally Posted by FuriousOne View Post

Anyone have any ideas on the best way to wall mount a Pro Center 1000?

I used Definitive Technology PROMOUNT80
LL
post #233 of 7193
What's the difference between the 600/800/1000 series and the 60/80/100 series? I've had 350 mains and pro 100's for for backs, surrounds and center for a couple of years now so I'm glad to see this thread.
post #234 of 7193
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Originally Posted by Aty View Post

I used Definitive Technology PROMOUNT80

Cripes...$80 just in wall mounts for your center? That's craaaazy, man.
post #235 of 7193
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Originally Posted by Artslinger View Post

You will probaly only hear a difference between the two when playing at higher volumes and or bigger listening area.

Yes check out ABT if you call in you can get a 15-20% discount. They seem to discount more on the ProCenter 1000.

Thanks...much appreciated.
post #236 of 7193
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Originally Posted by cmf View Post

Cripes...$80 just in wall mounts for your center? That's craaaazy, man.

At 40 dollars a pair. And the center only needs a pair of wall mounts.
So after all, it's not that crazy considering what I payed for the center.
post #237 of 7193
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Originally Posted by Aty View Post

At 40 dollars a pair. And the center only needs a pair of wall mounts.
So after all, it's not that crazy considering what I payed for the center.

$40...twice as reasonable (or half as crazy...your pick)

Thanks.
post #238 of 7193
Have any of your ProCinema owners had a chance to compare your speakers with the KEF 3005 5.1 set? I've had a chance to listen to a PC 800/1000 setup in a nice controlled environment and today was able to listen to the KEFs in the aural hell that is Circuit City. The two experiences are completely incomparable.

So, before I go to the trouble of getting both into my home during the same weekend (much to my wife's dismay), I thought I'd ask if anyone has had a first-hand comparo with these two systems. TIA.
post #239 of 7193
I have really enjoyed the sound from the 600 5.1 I purchased. They look clean wall mounted and for my room are plenty. My reciever is 6.1 capable and I am curious what would be a good choice for a single rear?

Boy it would be handy to buy a single 600.

I was thinking of upgrading the 2 fronts to 800s and move the one 600 to the rear (and get a 7.1 reciever down the road).

I really don't have the cash now to get a new center, would that be an odd mix? 800s with a 600 center.

If so any tips on a decent single speaker for the rear that has a similar look to the Dev Techs?

Appreciate the time...

Murph
post #240 of 7193
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Originally Posted by Murphland View Post

If so any tips on a decent single speaker for the rear that has a similar look to the Dev Techs?

You may try calling around to some of the DefTech dealers, as one of them may have some scratch-and-dent partial systems they'd be willing to piece out. Just a thought.
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