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My rears need 30' of wire
post #5852 of 7194
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Originally Posted by Keeb View Post

Hey Nibis,

Thanks for the response.

The Pioneer 821 doesn't really have any EQ settings from what I can see. You can turn on the MCACC EQ (apparently uses settings it gets from the auto-calibration), but there's no way to tweak it and the harshness is still there with it on. You can adjust bass and treble, but I'm a bit leary of doing that since I don't think all the listening modes support Bass/Treble AND I'm not sure I would be content with that as a fix since it would probably take out some of the detail.

Also, it's not just harshness. Everything "seems" a bit higher pitched - probably due to the brightness. Something in the mid range seems lacking. Music doesn't have the warmness I like, Male voices don't sound like they should, etc.

As for the DT 600 set, that's out of my price range unfortunately. As I mentioned above (sorry, I know it's long), I don't want to go over $600 for everything. This is just for my gaming and some music listening in the home office. I have a higher end setup out in the living room which we use for TV/Movies...

I have The 60.6's and a VSx-31.
The sound and male voices improved after hooking the sub up by the recommended method. It takes more wire but does improve the sound.
Sam 5884
post #5853 of 7194
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Originally Posted by seanskie View Post

My rears need 30' of wire

I would not go less than 12g for the rears, and use 14 for fronts

http://www.bcae1.com/images/swfs/spe...rassistant.swf
post #5854 of 7194
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Originally Posted by denguz View Post

I am not sure if this is the correct forum for this and I cannot seem to find one dedicated for it but I am looking to order cables from monoprice and I need to get recommendations on what to get. Here is what I eventually will end up with (only have the plasma and blu ray currently). I will not be mounting on wall and just place on a Zline Sync Stand with speakers on and beside it

65vt30 plasma
panasonic blu ray
denon 2112ci
verizon motorola box
DT pro monitor 1000
DT Procenter 2000
DT Prosub 1000 r maybe HSU VTF-2

I currently do not have any and just running some slides on TV using USB as per recommendation from the VT30 forum.

Thanks in advance

This is the right place, ask and we'll all try to help out.

Let start with a sub cable, this is a 10' size but you want to get this High-quality Coaxial Audio. make sure you have extra cable to be able to pull out AVR or enough to move the sub about the room. Any extra cable can be coiled up and hide.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

HDMI, pick your color, the high-speed will cover any 3D apps you want to try.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...&cs_id=1024008

You may want to hard wire your 2112 to the INTERNET, so look into getting either Cat5 ot Cat6 cables, again pick your color, you'll not find better prices anywhere.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...05&cp_id=10232

As for speaker wire, 14 AWG will be fine, but to play it safe the 12 AWG is only a few dollars more. 12AWG is better for runs over 50', but remember the length of your room is not the length of wire you may need, its always better to have more wire them you need then be 5 foot short. big thing to remember is t you may need to run the wire a different way if your wife or GF has anything to say about it. So that 30 foot may turn into 50 ft quickly, the length of the wire going to the mains should always be the same length, don't have one 3 foot and the other 8 foot your AVR will not like it.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...=10239#1023902

Another thing you may want to consider is using banana plugs, the terminals on the DT speakers can be tight at times and if you have big fingers it sucks. Plus it looks way cool using the plugs, your friends will see these speakers are not the old spring-cli[p type and that you are serious about then [they don't need to know they cost very little]
http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...&cs_id=1040115

Not sure if I missed anything if so please let me know and I try to fill in the gaps.
post #5855 of 7194
Plex, thanks much for the reply about the cables and the heads up about lenght and wife considerations

I know what I need now for the sub and I am getting 12 feet for that. I also am getting your recommendation of 12AWG speaker wires and banana plugs.

I am not sure about the HDMI, the link you sent me is the 28AWG and I noticed that they also have 24AWG with netjacket. Is the 28AWG good enough? I am conecting all devices through the AV receiver which I believe is the recommended way to go, correct?

One more thing, I am still undecided about the DT model I am going to get. I know the Studio Monitor is supposed to be a bit better than the ProMonitors and maybe I can pair with Procenter 2000. I have a 22W x 18L x 8H living room and I am thinking maybe the DT Pro monitor 1000 is not enough. Do you have any recomnmendations for the speakers? I am only doing the two fronts, center and sub for now. Thanks again
post #5856 of 7194
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Originally Posted by denguz View Post

Plex, thanks much for the reply about the cables and the heads up about lenght and wife considerations

I know what I need now for the sub and I am getting 12 feet for that. I also am getting your recommendation of 12AWG speaker wires and banana plugs.

I am not sure about the HDMI, the link you sent me is the 28AWG and I noticed that they also have 24AWG with netjacket. Is the 28AWG good enough? I am conecting all devices through the AV receiver which I believe is the recommended way to go, correct?

One more thing, I am still undecided about the DT model I am going to get. I know the Studio Monitor is supposed to be a bit better than the ProMonitors and maybe I can pair with Procenter 2000. I have a 22W x 18L x 8H living room and I am thinking maybe the DT Pro monitor 1000 is not enough. Do you have any recomnmendations for the speakers? I am only doing the two fronts, center and sub for now. Thanks again

sorry for the late responce

The 28 awg are much easier to move around the net jacketed 24 awg, this cableis much thicker and will not give you better signal, in this case bigger is NOT better. stick with the 28awg.

Your room is big enopugh to consider the SM series, I have the 450's in a room that's 13x21x8 and a pair of PM1000's in a room 16x26x15. Since the smaller room is my main setup I've elected to put the better speakers [SM450's] in that room. If I would ever switch to the larger room as my main I'd move the 450's. IMHO i beleive the SM 450 series is a hands down upgrade to the PM1000's, now the 350's is only a slight upgrade but I still believe enough of one to be considered. If you elect to get either SM series the PC2000 center is the best choice for a center and it goes with the PM1000's as well.

here are my 450's, you can see below the screen the PC2000
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Whats everyone's opinion on the ProMonitor 1000s for music. I have some old JBL E60s right now, crossed over at 80hz to an E250p.

If I get the PM1000s, I can afford a rhythmik sub. If I do the 8020 or 8040, all I can get along with that for now is the PC2000. Otherwise I can do Aperion Versus Grand Towers and Center.

Lets just say 30/30/30 music/movies/games...room is 8x12, carpeted with a pio 94TSX. Any insight is greatly appreciated.
post #5858 of 7194
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Originally Posted by dsg2003gt View Post

Whats everyone's opinion on the ProMonitor 1000s for music. I have some old JBL E60s right now, crossed over at 80hz to an E250p.

If I get the PM1000s, I can afford a rhythmik sub. If I do the 8020 or 8040, all I can get along with that for now is the PC2000. Otherwise I can do Aperion Versus Grand Towers and Center.

Lets just say 30/30/30 music/movies/games...room is 8x12, carpeted with a pio 94TSX. Any insight is greatly appreciated.

Mine sound great, no regrets, I thought I might miss something when I removed my cerwin vega AT-10's but the sub does all the bass work, and the 1000's are nice and crisp, but can produce nice mids as well
post #5859 of 7194
If I was going to do a Procenter2000 and Promonitor 1000 rears, what front towers would be matched best to this setup?
post #5860 of 7194
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Originally Posted by Plex View Post

sorry for the late responce

The 28 awg are much easier to move around the net jacketed 24 awg, this cableis much thicker and will not give you better signal, in this case bigger is NOT better. stick with the 28awg.

Your room is big enopugh to consider the SM series, I have the 450's in a room that's 13x21x8 and a pair of PM1000's in a room 16x26x15. Since the smaller room is my main setup I've elected to put the better speakers [SM450's] in that room. If I would ever switch to the larger room as my main I'd move the 450's. IMHO i beleive the SM 450 series is a hands down upgrade to the PM1000's, now the 350's is only a slight upgrade but I still believe enough of one to be considered. If you elect to get either SM series the PC2000 center is the best choice for a center and it goes with the PM1000's as well.

here are my 450's, you can see below the screen the PC2000

Plex, thanks for the reply again. I will oblige and get the 28AWG cables for the HDMI. nice pictures and would definitely consider the Studio Monitor. In fact i did ome research and found out about the new SM models that was announced last year. They look good and I might wait out on that and get the SM55 instead. You or anyone in here have consdired it and have any inside scoop on these new models?
BTW, I also decided to get an upgraded sub which is the SVS PB12-NSD. I know it has discussed here somewehere and had high recommendations. I am also looking into the BP surround that you were talking about in previous pages. I am hoping to have a nice system at the end.
post #5861 of 7194
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Originally Posted by dsg2003gt View Post

If I was going to do a Procenter2000 and Promonitor 1000 rears, what front towers would be matched best to this setup?

All depends on your budget, but I'm thinking the BP10B's
post #5862 of 7194
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Originally Posted by dsg2003gt View Post

If I was going to do a Procenter2000 and Promonitor 1000 rears, what front towers would be matched best to this setup?

I have bp10s with a procenter 2000 and the mids and highs are a good match. The 10s go very deep for a speaker with 5.25" drivers, many people with smaller rooms could could be happy without a sub. I use them with dual subs though.
post #5863 of 7194
IMO the ProCenter 2000, using identical drivers to the Promonitor 1000, is a better match for the PM 1000, as it's designed to be. It's also more robust -- plays louder, goes deeper. If your installation will physically accommodate either one, I'm not sure why you wouldn't pick the 2000.
post #5864 of 7194
Hello all great to see there's a thread for the PC systems. I just purchased a pro cinema 600 system, and I wanna make it a 7.1 system I was thinking of getting 2 pro 1000 speakers for the front left and right and use the 600 speakers for surround, now is that over kill to get the 2 1000's or should I get 2 800 speakers for the front??? All feedback appreciated .
post #5865 of 7194
Hello All,

Was hoping to get some opinions on the best of the below two setup options:-

Option 1
2 x PM1000 (FL, FR)
1 x PC2000 (Centre)
2 x SR8040BP (Surrounds)

Option 2
2 x SM350 (FL, FR)
1 x PC2000 (Centre)
2 x SR8040BP (Surrounds)

I would have liked to go with the SM450 for the fronts but they are to deep to get the wifes approval. So in the end the question is are the SM350 a better all round speaker then the PM1000.

Thank you
post #5866 of 7194
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Originally Posted by Token78 View Post

Hello All,

Was hoping to get some opinions on the best of the below two setup options:-

Option 1
2 x PM1000 (FL, FR)
1 x PC2000 (Centre)
2 x SR8040BP (Surrounds)

Option 2
2 x SM350 (FL, FR)
1 x PC2000 (Centre)
2 x SR8040BP (Surrounds)

I would have liked to go with the SM450 for the fronts but they are to deep to get the wifes approval. So in the end the question is are the SM350 a better all round speaker then the PM1000.

Thank you

I am considering the same options as you for the fronts and center. I called Def Tech and they mentioned that the new Studio Monitor models (SM45, SM55 and SM65) should be available in the next couple weeks or so. I am leaning on waiting on the SM55 and using PC2000 with PC800 or 8040BP
post #5867 of 7194
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Originally Posted by Token78 View Post

Hello All,

Was hoping to get some opinions on the best of the below two setup options:-

Option 1
2 x PM1000 (FL, FR)
1 x PC2000 (Centre)
2 x SR8040BP (Surrounds)

Option 2
2 x SM350 (FL, FR)
1 x PC2000 (Centre)
2 x SR8040BP (Surrounds)

I would have liked to go with the SM450 for the fronts but they are to deep to get the wifes approval. So in the end the question is are the SM350 a better all round speaker then the PM1000.

Thank you

i have 4 pm 1000's and the center is a pc1000 with a supercube 1 and i absolutely love them . i am powering them with a yamaha rx-v3900 for music they can crank !! and surround is awesome with them
post #5868 of 7194
Hi Guys,

can anyone pls let me know if the promonitor 1000 better with music than promonitor 800 ?

I have a procinema 800, but wanted to replace my fronts with promonitor 1000...will it improve music ?
post #5869 of 7194
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Originally Posted by saj2001ind View Post

Hi Guys,

can anyone pls let me know if the promonitor 1000 better with music than promonitor 800 ?

I have a procinema 800, but wanted to replace my fronts with promonitor 1000...will it improve music ?

im not an expert but i think if the reciever they were matched up to the 1000's they would probably sound better i have the 1000's and love them for music etc
post #5870 of 7194
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Originally Posted by jriverskuro6020 View Post

im not an expert but i think if the reciever they were matched up to the 1000's they would probably sound better i have the 1000's and love them for music etc

thanks I have a denon 1912, do you think I should upgrade my promonitor 800 to 1000s ?
post #5871 of 7194
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Originally Posted by saj2001ind View Post

thanks I have a denon 1912, do you think I should upgrade my promonitor 800 to 1000s ?

honestly i looked up the specs on that reciever and though its not a bad reciever i think you might underpower those speakers ..i believe it said its 90 watts and the distortion is at .08% i didnt look at the specs on the pro800's but they might match up better with youre current reciever on the pro monitor 1000's i would say if at some point you were gonna upgrade to a more powerful reciever with a little less distortion then maybe get them but like i said im not an expert or claim to be one i have mine powered by a yamaha rx-v3900
post #5872 of 7194
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Originally Posted by jriverskuro6020 View Post

honestly i looked up the specs on that reciever and though its not a bad reciever i think you might underpower those speakers ..i believe it said its 90 watts and the distortion is at .08% i didnt look at the specs on the pro800's but they might match up better with youre current reciever on the pro monitor 1000's i would say if at some point you were gonna upgrade to a more powerful reciever with a little less distortion then maybe get them but like i said im not an expert or claim to be one i have mine powered by a yamaha rx-v3900

thanks I would consider that, and have you listened to both 800 and 1000 pro monitors and compare both ?
post #5873 of 7194
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Originally Posted by saj2001ind View Post

thanks I would consider that, and have you listened to both 800 and 1000 pro monitors and compare both ?

i never compared both as i was matching the 1000's to my setup so i never needed to compare the two ... i was comparing a set of klipsch to the def tech i have and i preffered the sound of the def tech.
post #5874 of 7194
I am still deciding on the Pro Monitor 1000 or StudioMonitor 450/SM55 (new model). is the decision on the speakers determined by what AVR you have that will supply it power? I have decided on the Denon 2112ci which is supposed to have 90 Watts each channel. Will either speaker option have enough power from this and sound good with it?
post #5875 of 7194
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Originally Posted by Token78 View Post

Hello All,

Was hoping to get some opinions on the best of the below two setup options:-

Option 1
2 x PM1000 (FL, FR)
1 x PC2000 (Centre)
2 x SR8040BP (Surrounds)

Option 2
2 x SM350 (FL, FR)
1 x PC2000 (Centre)
2 x SR8040BP (Surrounds)

I would have liked to go with the SM450 for the fronts but they are to deep to get the wifes approval. So in the end the question is are the SM350 a better all round speaker then the PM1000.

Thank you

I like option #2, but with the 450's out i'm not sure the 350's are enough of a difference. Will these speakers be on a stand or shelf, reason is a shelf could give you better sound if using the 350 or if the 350 would be close to side walls i'd consider then. If none is true the PM1000 should be your choice
post #5876 of 7194
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Originally Posted by saj2001ind View Post

Hi Guys,

can anyone pls let me know if the promonitor 1000 better with music than promonitor 800 ?

I have a procinema 800, but wanted to replace my fronts with promonitor 1000...will it improve music ?

If its only a sound output issue the 1000 will be stronger, but if its a cost issue the 8's are very good and will not disapoint you. The quailty of sound and detail is very similar between the two, if you can't swing the 1000's now consider saving up more and wait until you find a better deal. Have you looked on craisglist or audiogon, even ebay, you may be able to get the 1000's at 8's prices.

FYI the 450 in the photo's above are used speakers, I got them for about $250, other than a very small nick on the bottom of one speaker they were prefect and sound great, infact most of my two DT systems are made up from used DT's
post #5877 of 7194
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Originally Posted by denguz View Post

I am still deciding on the Pro Monitor 1000 or StudioMonitor 450/SM55 (new model). is the decision on the speakers determined by what AVR you have that will supply it power? I have decided on the Denon 2112ci which is supposed to have 90 Watts each channel. Will either speaker option have enough power from this and sound good with it?

I'd lean towards the 450's or SM55, the 450's INHO are a real upgrade to the PM's. I'd say its the 10" side raditor that really helps give the full deep sound, the PM can't match.

You are very safe with 90 wpc or even 75 wpc, if you look at the spec's from DT it says 10 wpc up. I've been doing AV stuff for 30+ years [go ahead, make fun of the old guy] and very few AVR owner's ever play there systems anywhere near the max wpc output. if today's AVR's had power meters you could see what 1 watt continuse power out sounds like, its freaking very loud and could also see peaks of 25-50 watts but thats only for a few milliseconds. Also you will never hear the difference between 90 wpc and 110wpc, now the 110 wpc AVR may have other features that bring out the sound better but that's with all AVR. I like an AVR to have the Audyssey calibration system, I have Denon, mainly due to its a cooler running AVR.
post #5878 of 7194
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Originally Posted by Plex View Post

If its only a sound output issue the 1000 will be stronger, but if its a cost issue the 8's are very good and will not disapoint you. The quailty of sound and detail is very similar between the two, if you can't swing the 1000's now consider saving up more and wait until you find a better deal. Have you looked on craisglist or audiogon, even ebay, you may be able to get the 1000's at 8's prices.

FYI the 450 in the photo's above are used speakers, I got them for about $250, other than a very small nick on the bottom of one speaker they were prefect and sound great, infact most of my two DT systems are made up from used DT's

thanks thats very helpful, i have a denon 1912 UK version which has MultEq XT which I find quite good after calibration, My only concern is the details in music listening from PM 800s, but like you said if there wont be a lot of significant difference between 800 and 1000, then I should stick to 800 only, or if my budget permits would you suggest to exchange the 800 with 1000 or any other deftech?
post #5879 of 7194
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Originally Posted by saj2001ind View Post

thanks thats very helpful, i have a denon 1912 UK version which has MultEq XT which I find quite good after calibration, My only concern is the details in music listening from PM 800s, but like you said if there wont be a lot of significant difference between 800 and 1000, then I should stick to 800 only, or if my budget permits would you suggest to exchange the 800 with 1000 or any other deftech?

If you have budget room its possible the SM series [new or old] may be of interest. If you go from the 8's to the SM350's you'll notice a big difference but that difference is less if you go from the 1000's to the 350. Can you give me an idea of what type of music you like, I'm asking because the SM series IMHO gives a wide range of listening. The PM's are fantsic but I don't hear jazz or blues as well on them as I do hear on the SM series. Its a taste thing, I listen to R&B, rock [horn & similar] as well as jazz and my PM1000's do a great job but the 450's just let me hear more.

Take your time about what to get, we can talk more about this if you want.
post #5880 of 7194
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Originally Posted by Plex View Post

If you have budget room its possible the SM series [new or old] may be of interest. If you go from the 8's to the SM350's you'll notice a big difference but that difference is less if you go from the 1000's to the 350. Can you give me an idea of what type of music you like, I'm asking because the SM series IMHO gives a wide range of listening. The PM's are fantsic but I don't hear jazz or blues as well on them as I do hear on the SM series. Its a taste thing, I listen to R&B, rock [horn & similar] as well as jazz and my PM1000's do a great job but the 450's just let me hear more.

Take your time about what to get, we can talk more about this if you want.

well I have a space constraints so looking towards 1000s or 800s , I listen to mixed music from hip hop rock pop to classical , movies OSTs, movies a lot , music a bit less but want to get all the details in music though

so I am a bit confused bwn 450, 800 vs 1000, but I dont know if there will be huge improvement if I get 1000 over 800 which I already have
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