Definitive Technology ProCinema Series 600/800/1000 (or 60/80/100) Thread - Page 198

Originally Posted by Plex

Make sure the AVR knows you now have a sub, try running the cal step with speaker and sub hooked up. I've read that this sometimes happens and you need to make sure the AVR knows to look for a sub

Originally Posted by pigpiles

I tried the cal and check the settings several times and it is a no go.

If it is the receiver, i have possibly found a replacement for cheap a vsx 921. Is it better than the 1020.

Originally Posted by saj2001ind

Hi Plex, I have been reading a lot of your posts here and got myself a procinema 800 set (procenter 1000 + 4 promonitor 800 + prosub 800)

I am so far happy with the sound quality I am geting with my denon 1912 which is UK version and has multeq XT,

the audyssey set the speakers crossed to 100, but I increased it to 120 and sometimes 150, first thing, what would you recommend as optimum crossover

now for music listening...is the PM800 sufficient to sound good with music or do I need to upgrade it to PM1000 ? I like to hear all details in music

my room size is not that much its around 350 sq feets, so getting a procenter 2000 + PM 1000 will be a overkill ?

kindly suggest if my system need any upgradation...thanks

Originally Posted by rdclark

If MCACC chose 150Hz with these speakers, there is something wrong. Maybe with the room, maybe with the speaker or subwoofer placement, maybe with the calibration. But it shouldn't be accepted; it's too much of a compromise, too much of a waste of the mid-bass capabilities of these very good speakers. They don't sound like satellites specifically because they are so strong between 80 and 120Hz.

Originally Posted by Plex

So are you selling to get the new SM's?

Originally Posted by Plex

First, great AVR and to also have the MultEQ XT on top is unreal

Please remind me, what is the age of your system, and have you played around with the number of calibration positions much? If I remember correctly you can do 8 positions.

The age thing is just to make sure you have enough hours in play time for the speakers to be fully broken in. Even though DT states 40-60 hrs to break in I stand by 100 hrs before they are truely streched out.

If you are getting 100 Hz XO than leave it there, it sounds like your 8's are getting to the max break in point or are almost there. i had my SM 450's drop from 120Hz when new down to 100 and finished at 80Hz.

I'm sitting at

mains = 80 Hz
Center = 100 Hz
rears = 80 Hz
Sub = 80Hz

I think play time will setttle your speakers but if you change positions of a chair or add even a small table, do the a calibration.

My 3808CI also has the MultEQ XT, and doing all positions was a bit trying at times, but I found a great enough change in XO's to warannt doing all 8.

As for room size and speaker size the 8's should do every well in that sized room and I don't think you'll hear the cost difference if you upgraded to the 1000/2000. Now, with the new SM's hitting the market you may be able to find someone selling the older SM350/450's. going from the 8's the the 350 would be a noticable sound difference and possibly worth keeping an eye out for that. IMHO the SM350/450 speakers give more detail to music than the PM's and are a better stand alone speaker if needed [if budget can't swing sub].

Originally Posted by W2GOD

Last week I picked up a df tech pro 600 package, and was loving it so much the following week I wanted to make it a 7.1 system so I picked up 2 def tech pro 1,000's . For the front left and right and put the 600's for surround . Everything sounded great my living room is only 17X15 . I loved the 1,000's so much this following week I picked up 2 more and replaced the 2 surround back left and right , I left 2 600's for the left and right 7.1 set up . And now since I have 4 1000's I then purchased a pro center 2000 for the center . And now I'm really enjoying the system more I left the subwoofer alone that came with the pro600 it's fine for the 17X15 room. So now I have taken the 2 left over 600's and 600 center and put them in my bedroom for my computer setup!!! Lol I think I went a little crazy I should have just put a 1000 system together but I'm happy how it all ended up . In the later future I might upgrade the subwoofer . But for now I think it's time to put my bank card away hahahah. I think I did have a def tech overload! But I'm loving it!!!!!

Originally Posted by W2GOD

Last week I picked up a df tech pro 600 package, and was loving it so much the following week I wanted to make it a 7.1 system so I picked up 2 def tech pro 1,000's . For the front left and right and put the 600's for surround . Everything sounded great my living room is only 17X15 . I loved the 1,000's so much this following week I picked up 2 more and replaced the 2 surround back left and right , I left 2 600's for the left and right 7.1 set up . And now since I have 4 1000's I then purchased a pro center 2000 for the center . And now I'm really enjoying the system more I left the subwoofer alone that came with the pro600 it's fine for the 17X15 room. So now I have taken the 2 left over 600's and 600 center and put them in my bedroom for my computer setup!!! Lol I think I went a little crazy I should have just put a 1000 system together but I'm happy how it all ended up . In the later future I might upgrade the subwoofer . But for now I think it's time to put my bank card away hahahah. I think I did have a def tech overload! But I'm loving it!!!!!

Originally Posted by Plex

well that upgrade bug you hard Di you come here before you got the 6's, if so I can't believe anyone who have not tried to get you to opt for the 8 just based on room size. All worked out in the end

Now, if you think the speakers made a sound difference wait until you upgrade the sub. I've always said and believed that a sub can make or break a system. I have that a fair sub can't make great speakers sound fair, but a great sub can make fair speakers sound great. The sub that came with the 600 series is a fair to OK sub and nothing more, it is made to fit a room much smaller [10x12].

A great sub removes the lower frequencies that the speakers have a hard time reproducing correctly . If your sub can't do that well enough the whole system fails to impress.

Originally Posted by saj2001ind

Hey Plex, your post always helps and I also initially bought the 600 series set but later upgraded to 800's

on a thumb rule and for your very useful recommendation, what are the room size the 600, 800 and 1000's you would recommend for ? my friends wanted to setup up their system and this input will help them as well...thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Plex

let me do some checking and i'll post room sizes this week

Originally Posted by rdclark

IMO, unless you listen to a lot of multichannel music, you can get away with 800s as the back rears, although identical speakers are best if you have the space and money.

Exception, if you have an AVR that forces you to use the same crossover frequency for all speakers (such as Pioneers with MCACC), then you really should get all the same speakers.

Originally Posted by W2GOD

The 800's wouldn't be for back rears 2 1000's would be for back rears and for surround left and right 2 800's and for fronts across 2 1000's and pro center 2000 but I'm still considering 6 1000's and the pro center 2000 and my sub 1000 would complete my 7.1 system

Originally Posted by rdclark


Makes no sense. The surround speakers -- sometimes referred to as "side surrounds" and which you seem to be calling "surround left and right" are the primary surround speakers. With a pure 5.1 signal, these would be the active surrounds, and the rear-surrounds would be silent. So the least capable speakers should be the rear-surrounds.

Originally Posted by W2GOD

Ahhh yes exactly lol sorry I'm new to this . The whole 7.1 system I'm just gonna make it 6 def tech pro 1000's keep the pro center 2000 and the pro sub 1000. This way everything is at least the same match. I'm just gonna pick up 2 1000's and I'm set. Everything is set up in a 17x14 room I've been told to set the crossover for the 1000's and the center and sub any were from 80-100hz does that sound right????

Originally Posted by rdclark


See what your auto-setup picks. DT recommends 80 for the 1000s. There could be room or placement conditions that make the system sound better with a higher crossover, but IMO anything above 100 calls for close examination of the room to discover why your AVR wants a higher crossover; the full potential of these speakers is wasted if you don't use 80 or 100, IMO.

If the AVR insists on 150, say, then try different speaker placements, move the subwoofer (look up "subwoofer crawl) or shift the seating positions. Trying various placements is a good idea anyway, but in the case of setting the crossover for these DefTechs, IMO, the main reason they sound so good is because of their response in the upper midbass, around 100 Hz, which makes them sound much bigger than they are. A higher crossover negates that characteristic, and you might as well have stuck with 800s.

Originally Posted by W2GOD


Ok veryGood 80hz for the 1000's and for the center??? And sub???? Same thing ??

Originally Posted by Justdmbobbo

Could use some help.

Current owner of
Onkyo 609 receiver
L/R - 1000's
C - 2000
SL/SR - JBL (5.1 satellite in a box type speakers)
Sub- JBL Sub from the above mentioned box

Room is relatively small at probably 15 X 12

Looking to upgrade both my side surrounds and also my sub.
I was thinking about getting the 800's as my sides. If I do this, should I consider using the JBL's as back surrounds for a 7.1 system? or should I just stick with the 5.1?
Any suggestion other than the 800's?

Also the couch is pushed against the back wall, so if I had rear surrounds (existing JBL's?) they would be on stands that would just sit slightly above the seating space. Too close?

And in regards to the sub, I know some of you express a lot of love for the SVS units with Def Tech speakers. Would one of those be a recommended way to go?

Thanks

Originally Posted by saj2001ind

thats a lot, that will be really helpful for me and for any new guy getting this speakers, since most of the time we buy but end up replacing with better and bigger one and end up loosing a lot of bucks

Originally Posted by Plex

The recommended room sizes for the ProCinema speakers isn't an exact science. It depends a bit on how critical you're going to be when listening to the system and how loud you wish to play the system. However, I'd use the following recommendations as a starting point.


ProMonitor 600s - 12' x 16' or smaller

ProMonitor 800s - 16' x 20' or smaller

ProMonitor 1000s - 20' x 22' or smaller

got these sizes from DT but I'd still error on the smaller size room for the 6's. A 12x16 is bigish, after listening to these at Bestbuy review room I would never say they were a filling speaker [BB room was ~12x16]

Originally Posted by saj2001ind

thanks for these figures, if we take a realistic rate then 15*15 size which is around 225 sq feets should be fine with 800's ? and any bigger should go for 1000's