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post #6571 of 7194
Wondering if anyone switched from the pro-cinemas to the Definitive Technology SR-8040BP.

I can get a great deal on them and really like the mounting better then the PC with speaker mounts. Aside from a better mounting system then the PC, ideally I would want an increase in performance as well.
post #6572 of 7194
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Originally Posted by carminepesce View Post

Hey Watt, I think I may have changed my mind lol.....I recently auditioned a pair of Studio Monitor 45's & was blown away by the clarity & detail this little guys put out....I may pick up 3 of those for my L/C/R....What do you guys think???

Thanks always for the continued support!!!!
Carm. ine.

I don't think you can go wrong either way. All these speakers sound awesome. For me it came down to the convienence of size with the Promonitors. I knew I didn't want to pay full price for the PM1000's but at that price it was a no brainer. I don't regret it at all. Could I have gone with speakers that would fill my room with sound a little more fully with music? Sure, but from where I sit (8 feet away) the sound and imaging from these 2 speakers and woofer is amazing. And movies sound sick in 5.1!
Edited by wattheF - 8/10/13 at 10:40am
post #6573 of 7194
See that's my biggest thing as well....I live in an apartment so I dont want to wind up with speakers that are "too much" for the size room. Like you, I sit approx 9-10' from my tv so maybe I am better off sticking with the ProMonitors....I'll keep my eyes peeled for open box deals.

Thanks again!!!!!
Carmine
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Good luck!
post #6575 of 7194
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Originally Posted by maxim_mu View Post

Here is my final set up after i got everything situated. Any suggestions?
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As you mention for your pro 600 it can handle the speaker stand model: ss-01? I'm planning to buy the pro cinema 600 but I need a two pair stands, I just wondering possible it can hold those speakers?
here are the sample - http://www.amazon.com/MonoPrice-Speaker-Stand-Black-SS-01/dp/B001VRJ5D4

coz thats the only available and cheap stand here in my nearest area. Please I need your help, I think in the picture that you posted, are similar that I was saw, and how I can connect ? Thanks man, really appreciated.
post #6576 of 7194
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Originally Posted by carminepesce View Post

See that's my biggest thing as well....I live in an apartment so I dont want to wind up with speakers that are "too much" for the size room. Like you, I sit approx 9-10' from my tv so maybe I am better off sticking with the ProMonitors....I'll keep my eyes peeled for open box deals.

Thanks again!!!!!
Carmine

Def tech PM1000.....Amazon...open box, electronics expo, $132.77 ea
post #6577 of 7194
Thank you DSSKID!!!!!!
post #6578 of 7194
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I recently picked up a pair of PM1000 for $100 each! Put them up front with my PC1000 and PS800 and put my PM800's to the rears. Sounds great.

For a while I was actually using an vintage pair of Wharfedales for my rears. They were 3 ways with a 12" woofer. As you can imagine this was not an ideal setup but one thing I liked (and immidietly missed) was how with music, I could use them at low volumes to help balance out the low end in the room, rather than rellying almost completely on the sub for bass.

I know positioning has a lot to do with the subs performance but I am limited to keeping it in the front left corner of my room. There is plenty of bass to go around its just that there seems to be hot spots in the room.

My thought is to get another sub and place it in the back right corner of the room (diagonal from the front sub). Will this will help balance out the bass response in the room and provide a better listening experience? If so should I match my PS800 with another PS800 or maybe PS1000? Or would I be better off trying a totally different sub that may provide different sound characteristics? I don't want to get something that doesn't "fit" the sound but maybe something different would help "round out" the sound?

Any advice?

Anyone?????
post #6579 of 7194
WatteF: I have that setup where there are 2 subs at 90 from each other and it sounds much better than 2 or 3 front facing subs. Again it depends on how the room is cut out and what absorbers you have in it. I think it is all adjustment, adjustment, adjustment....
post #6580 of 7194
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Originally Posted by tanman View Post

WatteF: I have that setup where there are 2 subs at 90 from each other and it sounds much better than 2 or 3 front facing subs. Again it depends on how the room is cut out and what absorbers you have in it. I think it is all adjustment, adjustment, adjustment....

Thanks tanman. I def think it will help. I have an opening in the front right and back left part of the room with the sub siting in the front left corner in between the two openings. So I think I loose some sound there. Adding a sub to the back right corner where there is no openings should balance out the sound.

Any advice on if I should match the 2 subs or not?
post #6581 of 7194
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Originally Posted by carminepesce View Post

Thank you DSSKID!!!!!!
Enjoy.
post #6582 of 7194
WatteF: Matching subs may help (mine don't match). Maybe a second sub in about the middle area or further back, not sure, play with it a bit.....
post #6583 of 7194
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

My opinion is that any dropouts are too many, any noise is too much, any latency is too long, and if you have to run AC to the wireless receiver anyway you might as well run the speaker wires and be done.

There are no wireless systems that make the cut, IMO.
Hi RD, in general I think you are right. I would only offer the caveat that all wireless systems are not created equal.
We have the SCW-100 wireless subwoofer kit for SuperCube 4000, 6000, and 8000. The engineers put much more time into it than they originally planned... but it works really well. The first engineering samples had those dreaded drop-out issues and you are right, that's no good, which is why they went back to the drawing board. The product when we released it had come a long way. Still, if someone can hard-wire the sub, I suggest that route, simply because it's more cost-effective. But in many custom installations, hard-wiring is not an option smile.gif Best regards, Joe
post #6584 of 7194
Hello all,

Here is a link announcing something pretty cool. Definitive Technology has entered into a collaboration with 9-time Grammy Award winner John Legend. John is an American singer-songwriter and actor, who, In 2007, received the special Starlight Award from the Songwriters Hall of Fame.
He'll do some promotional work with Definitive, and will work with us on some future projects. Naturally, we're excited! Best, Joe

http://www.definitivetech.com/news/welcomejohnlegend
post #6585 of 7194
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Originally Posted by joeatdefinitive View Post

Hi RD, in general I think you are right. I would only offer the caveat that all wireless systems are not created equal.
We have the SCW-100 wireless subwoofer kit for SuperCube 4000, 6000, and 8000. The engineers put much more time into it than they originally planned... but it works really well. The first engineering samples had those dreaded drop-out issues and you are right, that's no good, which is why they went back to the drawing board. The product when we released it had come a long way. Still, if someone can hard-wire the sub, I suggest that route, simply because it's more cost-effective. But in many custom installations, hard-wiring is not an option smile.gif Best regards, Joe

Joe, I think that perhaps wireless transmission of frequencies under 150Hz is a different challenge from full-bandwidth wireless audio, for many reasons. Wireless solutions for surround speakers are something of a Holy Grail in the industry; the market it waiting for a truly effective product, but that product has failed to exist. That's what the OP was asking about.
post #6586 of 7194
I think a dedicated wireless frequency by FCC for speakers, would be best alternative to get error free sound to the surrounds!
post #6587 of 7194
I replaced my Pro Cinema 60.6 system with a used Pro Cinema 100.6 system in excellent condition. The PC 100 sounded hollow so I replaced it with a new PC 2000 which sounds much better. With careful tweaking how well will this new center blend with the older system?
Thanks for any thoughts.
post #6588 of 7194
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

Joe, I think that perhaps wireless transmission of frequencies under 150Hz is a different challenge from full-bandwidth wireless audio, for many reasons. Wireless solutions for surround speakers are something of a Holy Grail in the industry; the market it waiting for a truly effective product, but that product has failed to exist. That's what the OP was asking about.
As usual RD - you are correct. The low frequency challenges are different, and yes, if you and I figure out a great wireless solution for rear speakers, we will be rich men, toasting our good fortune and heading for the Bahamas. Best, Joe
post #6589 of 7194
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Originally Posted by SAM5884 View Post

I replaced my Pro Cinema 60.6 system with a used Pro Cinema 100.6 system in excellent condition. The PC 100 sounded hollow so I replaced it with a new PC 2000 which sounds much better. With careful tweaking how well will this new center blend with the older system?
Thanks for any thoughts.
Right Sam - careful tweaking is the answer! Best, Joe
post #6590 of 7194
What is the real world performance difference between the PM 100 and the PM 1000. Would upgrading the the two front mains to PM 10000s be worth the cost?
Thanks
post #6591 of 7194
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Originally Posted by SAM5884 View Post

What is the real world performance difference between the PM 100 and the PM 1000. Would upgrading the the two front mains to PM 10000s be worth the cost?
Thanks
Hi Sam, there are actually a whole range of improvements in the ProMonitor / ProCenter 1000 series vs. the older PM 100. It's really tough to say whether it is worth the money, though, because that is a judgement call you have to make within your budget. The improvements are significant (see below) and I hope this helps you - best, Joe
1. Re-tuned tweeter
2. Improved crossover network
3. BDSS driver vs. older style
4. Bass radiator
5. Nicer looking cabinet
post #6592 of 7194
Just augmented my ProMonitor 100s / Prosub with a Definitive Technology CLR 2002 for my center channel. It's a beast! Next step will be to upgrade the ProMonitor 100s to SM 350s and move the ProMonitors to the rear. Pictures forthcoming shortly.
post #6593 of 7194
Photo as promised:



Currently driven by a Denon AVR-2809.

Joe - do you think there is significant benefit to an external amp over the AVR-2809 for driving Studio Monitor 350s and the CLR 2002?
post #6594 of 7194
Hello Definitive ProCinema Users:

I’m racking my brain on whether to buy the Definitive Pro-Cinema 800 or the 1000. Size and price are not much of a concern. So, I’m thinking that the tie breaker may come down to which is the better matchup with my Receiver. Since “the numbers” are all Greek to me I was hoping someone could make a recommendation.

The Situation is:
- Denon 890 AVR – 105 W per channel; channels rated @ .05THD/.08THD; THX Ultra2 Certified; Processor Depth and Type – 21367 x 1 32bit floating point.

- Environment – Tiled floor, 23’ x 10.5’; L&R and Surr. speakers will be in corners of walls 8’ high. Center will be on top of TV.

- Music & Movie Listening Preferences- Clarity over loudness. I understand explosions and action scenes are suppose to be loud but I don’t like super loudness. Movie theaters are usually too loud for my preference. Clarity and ability to understand dialog is more important than loudness. Music turned up but not playing for the neighbors.

(As if I were't confused enough then the Best Buy dude suggest I get the B&W speakers instead)

Any suggestions on which Pro Cinema I should get?
post #6595 of 7194
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Originally Posted by rpridgen View Post

Hello Definitive ProCinema Users:

I’m racking my brain on whether to buy the Definitive Pro-Cinema 800 or the 1000. Size and price are not much of a concern. So, I’m thinking that the tie breaker may come down to which is the better matchup with my Receiver. Since “the numbers” are all Greek to me I was hoping someone could make a recommendation.

The Situation is:
- Denon 890 AVR – 105 W per channel; channels rated @ .05THD/.08THD; THX Ultra2 Certified; Processor Depth and Type – 21367 x 1 32bit floating point.

- Environment – Tiled floor, 23’ x 10.5’; L&R and Surr. speakers will be in corners of walls 8’ high. Center will be on top of TV.

- Music & Movie Listening Preferences- Clarity over loudness. I understand explosions and action scenes are suppose to be loud but I don’t like super loudness. Movie theaters are usually too loud for my preference. Clarity and ability to understand dialog is more important than loudness. Music turned up but not playing for the neighbors.

(As if I were't confused enough then the Best Buy dude suggest I get the B&W speakers instead)

Any suggestions on which Pro Cinema I should get?

I'm in the same boat as well....I'm thinking about 800's & a procenter 1000. I, like yourself, rather clarity then "loudness". As far as B&W, it all depends on model recommended by sales dude...B&W are awesome speakers as well but the bookshelfs aren't incredibly efficient so a lot of power is required to get them really going....I'm running a pro cinema 60.6 system right now hooked up to my newly purchased Denon AVR-X1000. While the 60's sound really nice, the 800's offer a lot more with their newly designed "everything"....

Good luck brother!!!
Carmine
post #6596 of 7194
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Originally Posted by rpridgen View Post

I’m racking my brain on whether to buy the Definitive Pro-Cinema 800 or the 1000. Size and price are not much of a concern. So, I’m thinking that the tie breaker may come down to which is the better matchup with my Receiver. Since “the numbers” are all Greek to me I was hoping someone could make a recommendation.

800 or 1000 would be an "equivalent match" to your AVR.

If budget and size are not in the equation then it is a no-brainer, get the 1000. They will sound better, go lower, have more headroom, etc, etc

I had a pair of 800s that I got because of a size compromise (i.e. WAF) - I absolutely should have gotten the 1000.

I am in the process of helping a friend put together a system and am torn between 1000 and the SM450.
post #6597 of 7194
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Originally Posted by rick240 View Post

800 or 1000 would be an "equivalent match" to your AVR.

If budget and size are not in the equation then it is a no-brainer, get the 1000. They will sound better, go lower, have more headroom, etc, etc

I had a pair of 800s that I got because of a size compromise (i.e. WAF) - I absolutely should have gotten the 1000.

I am in the process of helping a friend put together a system and am torn between 1000 and the SM450.

IMHO the 450's are an upgrade to the 1000's. A 6.5" driver and a 10" passive, I know the 1000 has the updated driver and a 5" passive, but its what your ears hear and not what your eyes can see that makes the difference. wink.gif

I have both and each has its own high point but no bad ones. If your friend is into more crisp highs and punchy sound the 1000's handle that with no effort, they also do all other music well but I hear digital better from them. If he is into a smoother and more detailed sound i.e. jazz, blues, vocals even rock the 450's offers a thick, rich detailed sound. Now as I said with the 1000's the 450 also plays all other music very well too. In my main room I had a choice of PM1000, SM350 or SM450, the 450 won out, IMHO they gave the best overall sound for movies and music. The 450's sound so good I went back and played old CD's just to hear detail I never really heard so cleanly before. Your friend can live with the 450's for many many years and may never consider upgrading, these speakers are that good.
Edited by Plex - 8/26/13 at 7:28pm
post #6598 of 7194
Hey Plex!!!! Ok so I went with the 800's & a 1000 center. The difference between the 800's & the old 60's i had is night & day!!!! They are still breaking in but the sound is awesome it's ridiculous!!!!!!

Thank you for all your advice!!!!
Carmine
post #6599 of 7194
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Originally Posted by rpridgen View Post

Hello Definitive ProCinema Users:

I’m racking my brain on whether to buy the Definitive Pro-Cinema 800 or the 1000. Size and price are not much of a concern. So, I’m thinking that the tie breaker may come down to which is the better matchup with my Receiver. Since “the numbers” are all Greek to me I was hoping someone could make a recommendation.

The Situation is:
- Denon 890 AVR – 105 W per channel; channels rated @ .05THD/.08THD; THX Ultra2 Certified; Processor Depth and Type – 21367 x 1 32bit floating point.

- Environment – Tiled floor, 23’ x 10.5’; L&R and Surr. speakers will be in corners of walls 8’ high. Center will be on top of TV.

- Music & Movie Listening Preferences- Clarity over loudness. I understand explosions and action scenes are suppose to be loud but I don’t like super loudness. Movie theaters are usually too loud for my preference. Clarity and ability to understand dialog is more important than loudness. Music turned up but not playing for the neighbors.

(As if I were't confused enough then the Best Buy dude suggest I get the B&W speakers instead)

Any suggestions on which Pro Cinema I should get?

I don't think you can go wrong either way but if size and budget are of no concern go with the 1000's!

Here is what I did. I started out with PM800's and a PC1000 up front (no rears). I then found a great deal on open box PM1000's ($100 each!) And so I moved the 800's to the rears and use the 1000's for the fronts. The PM1000's are a definite upgrade over the 800's and they match the PC1000 just fine, but if you plan on getting the PM1000's try to match with the PC2000.

Sounds sweet!
post #6600 of 7194
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Originally Posted by carminepesce View Post

Hey Plex!!!! Ok so I went with the 800's & a 1000 center. The difference between the 800's & the old 60's i had is night & day!!!! They are still breaking in but the sound is awesome it's ridiculous!!!!!!

Thank you for all your advice!!!!
Carmine

Great News biggrin.gif My next best advice is never come back to this thread again. eek.gif

I'm saying this because now that your ears have heard this improvement you will want to hear the next upgrade. There are many souls here who have upgrade many times before they stop or at least wait a few years before looking at the next upgrade.

I'm not joking, I'll bet you will upgrade within one year the 8's and the 1000 rolleyes.gif
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