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post #6661 of 7193
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Originally Posted by Maxlab View Post

Well today was the day, I had to either keep my pro 1000 center channel or take it back. After today I would not be able to exchange it. I'm so glad I exchanged it. I picked up the Pro 2000 and what a difference this speaker makes. I am very happy now with the sound coming from it.

Thanks for everyone's input.

You'll be even happier after the speaker's broken in for a couple of weeks. Congrats!
post #6662 of 7193
Stated differently, you may enjoy it more after a couple of weeks because your ears have 'broken in' to the sound of the speakers smile.gif

of course, that's IMO, and YMMV. wink.gif

enjoy what you have....
Joseph
post #6663 of 7193

Hi Guys, 

 

it took me awhile to find this forum and probably where i can seek some advice. 

 

I have taken the switch to Def tech pro cinema series in a bid to make the house more child friendly and less cluttered. I was on floorstanders, big centres and on wall etc previously.

 

I am on PC 2000, 4 pieces of PM1000 as front L/R and Front wide L/R, and 4 pieces of PM800 as side and rear.surround.

 

At the moment I am having 2 problems:

 

I may have mounted the PC 2000 a little too high, (and bring it down lower might be quite a bit of work), and the dialogue seems to be out of sync. Is there any way I can over come this with adjustment or eq of any sort? or is it a must to bring it lower? It is currently tilted downwards directly firing at the swetee spot. 

 

2nd issue I have is with the promount90, my setup was install by the dealer and for the last few days I have had them coming over to replace the rubber ball joint 3 times, I am not sure what is wrong but the rubber kept tearing up, causing the speaker to slide and finally stop when it is facing downwards or against the wall. the strange thing is this only happens with the front L/R and not the front wide, which are PM1000 as well on the same mount. I suspect that it could be due to the amount of audio information that is play thru the front L/R that is causing the speaker to vibrate and weaken the rubber joint, causing it to tear and slide. Anyone met this problem before? and how it was solved? I am relaly sadden by this and the worst thing i can imagine is to have the speaker loosening up and falling onto the kids.

 

Any help is very much appreciated.

 

Rgds,

Marcus

post #6664 of 7193
Hello marcus, I can help with the mounts, the best way to fix that issue is to run very hot water over the "rubber" part and then install them, also make sure to re-tighten the bolt at least one time a day for the week and it wont move at all
post #6665 of 7193
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Originally Posted by jwtallguy View Post

Hello marcus, I can help with the mounts, the best way to fix that issue is to run very hot water over the "rubber" part and then install them, also make sure to re-tighten the bolt at least one time a day for the week and it wont move at all


Or some medium strength lock tight. I had a similar with my def tech pro 1000 on the rear speaker stands, they would loosen up every day, so I put a drop of lock tight and had not had this problem since then. Make sure its just a drop, if you put too much, trying to loosen them up in the future will be pain and most likely strip the screw.
post #6666 of 7193
Hello Marcus,

I think it highly unlikely that your sync problems are caused by the position of your Cc speaker. Check and see if your receiver has a "lip sync" adjustment buried in a menu somewhere.

If you think the mains are vibrating too much, perhaps you have the crossovers set too low. With the PM1000 I would go with 100Hz or 80 at the lowest. Go with the higher setting if you are in a very large room or play the system very loud.
post #6667 of 7193
Marcus:
2. Tighten a bit more after hand tightening with vise-grips or adjustable wrench with tape over the wrench.
1. Dialogue "...out of sync because of height..." since they do not seem to correlate, it maybe an audessey or a calibration issue.
post #6668 of 7193
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Originally Posted by jwtallguy View Post

Hello marcus, I can help with the mounts, the best way to fix that issue is to run very hot water over the "rubber" part and then install them, also make sure to re-tighten the bolt at least one time a day for the week and it wont move at all

 

 

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Originally Posted by rumblefisher View Post


Or some medium strength lock tight. I had a similar with my def tech pro 1000 on the rear speaker stands, they would loosen up every day, so I put a drop of lock tight and had not had this problem since then. Make sure its just a drop, if you put too much, trying to loosen them up in the future will be pain and most likely strip the screw.

 

Thanks guys, in my case it is not so much of not loosening but more of the rubber coating on the boat joint tearing up. I will upload a photo to show this later. The fourth one just tear, and its only the front right now

post #6669 of 7193

Hi Rdclark, I managed to run a round of audessey before the speaker joint gave way and it have been recommending crossover at 60hz for the centre, L/R and the front L/R.

 

I am wondering if I were to adjust this higher would it reduce the performance of system.

 

I have also lowered the centre speakerbring it closer to the tv screen.

post #6670 of 7193

Some pictures of the ball joint

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/marcusdeming/null_zpse7f9b62e.jpg

 

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/marcusdeming/null_zps688f7f70.jpg

 

 

This is how my setup is currently looking like, this is before the ball joint gave way

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/marcusdeming/null_zpsc0553240.jpg

post #6671 of 7193
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Originally Posted by marcusdeming View Post

Some pictures of the ball joint

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/marcusdeming/null_zpse7f9b62e.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/marcusdeming/null_zps688f7f70.jpg


This is how my setup is currently looking like, this is before the ball joint gave way

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/marcusdeming/null_zpsc0553240.jpg


Wow! That looks like they could be defective. (Awsome set up by the way! I'm jealous lol). Maybe you could look into video camera ball joints? I think home Depot has something similar. Or ball joints that they use for hospital doors to hold them open (magnetic though). I will try to take some pictures later today when I'm at work.
post #6672 of 7193

But I have replace 4 sets already. I am suspecting that the mount is not able to take the weight, and vibration that the speaker is prodcuing. I do not play very loud in fact most of the time it is around 60-75 range.

post #6673 of 7193
Wow those mounts must have had some major defects, I have four mounts all holding pro1000s with no issues.
It could also be from over tightening when cold
post #6674 of 7193
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Originally Posted by jwtallguy View Post

Wow those mounts must have had some major defects, I have four mounts all holding pro1000s with no issues.
It could also be from over tightening when cold


what brand are they? Could you put up some pictures?
post #6675 of 7193
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Originally Posted by marcusdeming View Post

Hi Rdclark, I managed to run a round of audessey before the speaker joint gave way and it have been recommending crossover at 60hz for the centre, L/R and the front L/R.

I am wondering if I were to adjust this higher would it reduce the performance of system.

I have also lowered the centre speakerbring it closer to the tv screen.

I think that 60Hz is too low a crossover for a PM1000 used as a main speaker, although it's probably not the reason those ball joints are crumbling. Letting your sub do more of the work (by raising the crossover at least to 80) will give your system more headroom.

What are those speakers on stands out front, and what is their role?
post #6676 of 7193
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Originally Posted by rumblefisher View Post

what brand are they? Could you put up some pictures?

They are the def tech pro mount 90
post #6677 of 7193
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

I think that 60Hz is too low a crossover for a PM1000 used as a main speaker, although it's probably not the reason those ball joints are crumbling. Letting your sub do more of the work (by raising the crossover at least to 80) will give your system more headroom.

What are those speakers on stands out front, and what is their role?

I will try setting it to 80 than. Should I do that for the centre and the front wide as well, they are all on the same value now

The speakers in front are pmc and they are link to my audio stuff. They should be shifted away in time to come.
post #6678 of 7193
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Originally Posted by marcusdeming View Post

I will try setting it to 80 than. Should I do that for the centre and the front wide as well, they are all on the same value now

I would. I'm a little bit surprised that Audyssey would set them so low. DT themselves recommend 80Hz for the PM1000, and while the PC2000 is probably capable of 60Hz, IMO the center will blend with the other speakers better if they have the same crossover. You should at least give it a listen. (DT is also notoriously optimistic regarding the bass response of their speakers.)
post #6679 of 7193
Hi guys,

I am going in circles and can't decide which direction to go. I have a HTIB which is in the bedroom and i am quite satisfied with it.
I am looking for something for the family room, I go the pioneer receiver from costco and though I would add speakers and subs and build a system, now I recently went to listen to speakers and found out about sounbards, i listened to yamaha, ML, B&W etc and also the def tech solo sound bar.

My room is 20X22 and I will be sitting about 15 feet away from the tv and the left side opens to the kitchen. The soundbars are nice as there is less wires and wife is also happy. I am just not sure how much of surround effect wil get from these sound bars. Also, the def tech did not have bluetooth which I need for streaming music, which my receiver has.

I am now thinking of getting the procinema 600 or just get the 8060 towers with built in sub (higher price option).

can you guys suggest what would be the best route to take.
post #6680 of 7193
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Originally Posted by sid369 View Post

Hi guys,

I am going in circles and can't decide which direction to go. I have a HTIB which is in the bedroom and i am quite satisfied with it.
I am looking for something for the family room, I go the pioneer receiver from costco and though I would add speakers and subs and build a system, now I recently went to listen to speakers and found out about sounbards, i listened to yamaha, ML, B&W etc and also the def tech solo sound bar.

My room is 20X22 and I will be sitting about 15 feet away from the tv and the left side opens to the kitchen. The soundbars are nice as there is less wires and wife is also happy. I am just not sure how much of surround effect wil get from these sound bars. Also, the def tech did not have bluetooth which I need for streaming music, which my receiver has.

I am now thinking of getting the procinema 600 or just get the 8060 towers with built in sub (higher price option).

can you guys suggest what would be the best route to take.

Hello, what are you looking for in this new system?
The 600 system is going to be to small at a 15 ft distance but if your just looking to get basic surround sound it might work just wont be able to push them hard.
post #6681 of 7193
So is this only good for a small room setting.
Well I am trying to have a good system that will be used occasionally for when ppl come over for movie night etc. and using it to play wireless music for parties etc.
post #6682 of 7193

Another one bite the dust today.....

 

I am not sure how long this will go on.

 

This one is mounted today after running the rubber ball it under hot water

 

A clearer shot when it gives way..

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/marcusdeming/null_zpsb588ceec.jpg 

post #6683 of 7193
Yes the 600s are built more for a small room 10x12, but the towers your looking at are made for larger rooms but wont get surround sound but you'll get great music

Have you thought about the promonitor 1000s or sm55s instead? If you have a budget that we can work with for speakers/subs that would help
post #6684 of 7193
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Originally Posted by jwtallguy View Post

Yes the 600s are built more for a small room 10x12, but the towers your looking at are made for larger rooms but wont get surround sound but you'll get great music

Have you thought about the promonitor 1000s or sm55s instead? If you have a budget that we can work with for speakers/subs that would help

I want to keep my cost down, the 8060 are $1800 pair, so that's out of budget. I don't want to spend more than $1000.

I am now also leaning towards their sound bar the solo cinema studio that was just announced at cedia 2013.
post #6685 of 7193
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Originally Posted by jwtallguy View Post

Yes the 600s are built more for a small room 10x12, but the towers your looking at are made for larger rooms but wont get surround sound but you'll get great music

Have you thought about the promonitor 1000s or sm55s instead? If you have a budget that we can work with for speakers/subs that would help

You can sometimes find open box Pro1000's on Amazon Warehouse Deals for under $150 each.
post #6686 of 7193
I went and listened to the promonitor 1000 and really liked it, but not so much with the SM450 ( i think it was).

Does amazon warehouse often have those prices that you mentioned for the PM1000.
post #6687 of 7193
I haven't checked recently, but they did a few weeks ago. It's a matter of timing.
post #6688 of 7193
Hey Sid, for what it's worth, I'm running 2 PM 1000's & a PC2000 up front & 2 PM 60's in the back. This is within a 14x10 room of my apartment & it is killer!!!!

Good Luck dude....
Carmine
post #6689 of 7193
Sid - check out bajawaverunner store on eBay. It's deftech's refurb seller. I bought my stands from them. They have some great prices right now.
post #6690 of 7193
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Originally Posted by UGAd13 View Post

Sid - check out bajawaverunner store on eBay. It's deftech's refurb seller. I bought my stands from them. They have some great prices right now.

Hello UGA,
I am here at Rocky Mountain Audio Fest with Mass Fidelity. The show runs through tomorrow Sunday 10 / 13 / 2013.
Are any of my AVS Forum pals here? I would sure like to meet you. We are in the lobby -
Best regards, Joe
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