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post #6811 of 7193
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

Bose speakers are not good values at any price. There is a great deal of conversation all over the Internet, including on AVS, about Bose, so let's not wreck this thread by talking about it any further here.
Tastefully done, RD - best, Joe
post #6812 of 7193
Question on crossover point on my setup. I have PM1000 fronts, PC2000 center, and PM800 rears. The manual states to set the PM1000 at 100Hz and PM800 at 120Hz. My Yamaha RX-V673 receiver looks like it only does a single crossover point, and not individually.

I have the sub hooked up with a RCA cable from the LFE on the receiver to the sub.

Should I use 100 or 120 since I have a mixed setup?
post #6813 of 7193
I think you'll be safe with 100Hz as the 800's won't have any problem with that crossover point. I'm using a Denon which allows for separate crossover points & am using 120Hz for the much smaller PM60's as my surrounds. I have no issues at all with 120Hz & like I said those are much smaller than your 800's which I feel will sound much fuller at 100Hz. Also remember that there is not too much in the way of full range sound getting to the surround channel anyhow....

Enjoy!!
Carmine.
post #6814 of 7193
Just checked on Definitive's home page & in the "specs" of the PM 800 they recommend 100Hz....

Carmine.
post #6815 of 7193
Oh forgot to ask, how much are you loving that PB-1000 sub???? That is my next investment & would love to know how it blends with the PM 1000's.... I have 2 PM 1000's & a PC 2000 & am seeking out a new sub to compliment them.....

Thanks!!!
Carmine.
post #6816 of 7193
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

When that happens with a single-point calibration, it's likely to be a speaker location vs listening position issue -- one or another is causing low frequencies to be trapped, blocked, or nulled. This would need to be fixed, as it will probably be reflected in how things actually sound at the position of the microphone during calibration. To confirm, move the speakers and the mic significantly, and then re-run Audyssey, just as a test. If it was a multi-point calibration, move the speakers.

You can over-ride the setting and set the xover manually, but you run the risk of the sound reaching your ears actually missing those frequencies because the room is keeping them getting to you.

Hey RD thanks as always!!! I went ahead & disabled Audyssey & just did a manual speaker setup using my SPL meter....I crossed over my PM 1000's at 80Hz, my PC 2000 at 60Hz & my PM 60's at 120Hz. Everything sounds sooooo much fuller at these settings.... Now all I need is to pick up an SVS sub & I'll be good to go LOLOL!!!!

OOPS - sorry Z-Mad as you gave me advice as well LOL!!!!


Thanks again guys!!!
Carmine
post #6817 of 7193
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Originally Posted by carminepesce View Post

Just checked on Definitive's home page & in the "specs" of the PM 800 they recommend 100Hz....

Carmine.

Thanks....that's good to know. The paperwork that came with the speakers was for both the 800 and 1000, and the crossover levels they put in that paperwork is 120Hz for the 800 and 100Hz for the 1000.
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Originally Posted by carminepesce View Post

Oh forgot to ask, how much are you loving that PB-1000 sub???? That is my next investment & would love to know how it blends with the PM 1000's.... I have 2 PM 1000's & a PC 2000 & am seeking out a new sub to compliment them.....

Thanks!!!
Carmine.

I am not an audiophile, so my opinion doesn't mean much to anybody! I know it sounds good from what I've played around with from the various shows/movies I've watched bits and pieces of today off DirecTV. I was hoping to rent a good action movie to watch tonight, but didn't get around to it. Haven't listened to any music yet either. I have been getting wiring routed and speakers situated, and played around with the Disney WOW calibration disc for the TV today. Needed to adjust for some lip sync issues.

I think I will be very happy with it, as I am sure you will be too. I can say, the PB1000 is a very nice unit. Very good build quality, very well packaged, fast shipping, and excellent return policy IF you decide you needed/wanted it. I needed new speakers, and thought I could use my old sub, but it crapped out on me in the move so I went with a full new setup. I just took the recommendations of many folks on here to go with the PB1000. So many recommendations can't be wrong!

I had my TV mounted by the Geek Squad, as I had no helper to give me a hand doing it myself being new to the area. They were the ones who got me looking into the Def Tech speakers. After checking them out here on the forum, I knew I wanted to go with a larger setup than the PM600 setup they recommended. The Def Tech speakers are a BIG improvement over my Infinity TSS450 setup.
post #6818 of 7193
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Originally Posted by jdsnov73 View Post

Thanks....that's good to know. The paperwork that came with the speakers was for both the 800 and 1000, and the crossover levels they put in that paperwork is 120Hz for the 800 and 100Hz for the 1000.
I am not an audiophile, so my opinion doesn't mean much to anybody! I know it sounds good from what I've played around with from the various shows/movies I've watched bits and pieces of today off DirecTV. I was hoping to rent a good action movie to watch tonight, but didn't get around to it. Haven't listened to any music yet either. I have been getting wiring routed and speakers situated, and played around with the Disney WOW calibration disc for the TV today. Needed to adjust for some lip sync issues.

I think I will be very happy with it, as I am sure you will be too. I can say, the PB1000 is a very nice unit. Very good build quality, very well packaged, fast shipping, and excellent return policy IF you decide you needed/wanted it. I needed new speakers, and thought I could use my old sub, but it crapped out on me in the move so I went with a full new setup. I just took the recommendations of many folks on here to go with the PB1000. So many recommendations can't be wrong!

I had my TV mounted by the Geek Squad, as I had no helper to give me a hand doing it myself being new to the area. They were the ones who got me looking into the Def Tech speakers. After checking them out here on the forum, I knew I wanted to go with a larger setup than the PM600 setup they recommended. The Def Tech speakers are a BIG improvement over my Infinity TSS450 setup.

I've only had Def Tech's for a little under a year now & love everything about them!!! My first set was a tiny ProCinema 60 which was great but not enough lol....I upgraded to the PM 1000's & PC 2000 in October & think it was the BEST money ever spent!!!!! The sound is incredible to say the least. I'm still running the sub that came with the 60 system & while it does provide adequate bass I know the PM 1000's will enjoy a "beefier" sub.....I've read & heard many praises on the PB 1000 that is why I had asked if you were loving it LOL......It looks as if that is going to be my sub of choice since everything I have heard about it has been positive....

Enjoy your new setup as I'm sure you will!!!!!
Carmine.
post #6819 of 7193

A question about the PB 1000.  If I am installing the speakers on the wall close to the ceiling, do I need to mount them upside down?   With the speakers in the top I didn't know if  I would lose anything mounted right side up.

post #6820 of 7193
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Originally Posted by aspen 1000 View Post

A question about the PB 1000.  If I am installing the speakers on the wall close to the ceiling, do I need to mount them upside down?   With the speakers in the top I didn't know if  I would lose anything mounted right side up.

Are you referring to the ProMonitor 1000? Just give it as much room above as you can, 4-6 inches if possible. That's not a speaker in the top, it's a passive radiator, which serves to extend bass response. It's somewhat akin to a tuned port; what comes out of it is just the lowest bass the speaker can reproduce. Positioning it near the intersection of room boundaries will tend to reinforce those frequencies, adding bass, as long as you don't block it entirely.

Having said that, i should add that if these are front speakers, it's always best to mount them at listerners' ear level, or as close as you can. That's not always possible of course.
post #6821 of 7193
Tweeters at sitting ear level for front speakers and tweeters at standing ear level for surrounds and rears if possible.
post #6822 of 7193

Thanks, I will try to lower them and I am going to adjust the speakers down toward the room.  My receiver has adjusting

software with it that will set the volume level for each speaker.  I am really trying to separate all of the noise from the

vocal.  Seem more and more movies are playing music while people are talking and without the separation I cannot

understand what people are saying.  I have a surround sound in another room but wanted to step it up in our new room

we added.  Any way thank you for the info.

 

Yes, Go Big Red, Boomer - Sooner

post #6823 of 7193
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Originally Posted by FrankVP View Post

I have been thinking of replacing my current speakers with a ProCinema 1000 setup. They would be used in a room 20x16 with 10ft ceilings and driven by an OnkyoTX-NR809
receiver.

Would this system work in a room this size

My current speakers are all Polk. A pair of RTi6 for fronts, a CSi3 center, a pair of OWM3 for the rear and DSWPRO 550 sub.

Thanks

Sorry to rehash this question, but I thought it may be a good idea.

After looking at the question I realized the room measurements that I have listed are incorrect and we are going to be making some changes in the room.
The room is actually a little smaller. It is 14ftx20ft. Also we are going to be having the carpeting removed and hardwood floors installed. So with this in mind would a pair of ProMonitor 1000’s for fronts, a pair of ProMonitor 800’s for the rear and a ProCenter 2000 be a good choice for a room this size?

My wife is ok with the SM55’s but would prefer the PM1000’s if they would work.

Thanks
post #6824 of 7193
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Originally Posted by FrankVP View Post

Sorry to rehash this question, but I thought it may be a good idea.

After looking at the question I realized the room measurements that I have listed are incorrect and we are going to be making some changes in the room.
The room is actually a little smaller. It is 14ftx20ft. Also we are going to be having the carpeting removed and hardwood floors installed. So with this in mind would a pair of ProMonitor 1000’s for fronts, a pair of ProMonitor 800’s for the rear and a ProCenter 2000 be a good choice for a room this size?

My wife is ok with the SM55’s but would prefer the PM1000’s if they would work.

Thanks

The set up you mentioned will work in the room described. Go with a SVS or a Rythmic sub instead of the Def Tech and you will be golden. If you have room for a third PM 1000 for the center, do that as opposed to the PC 2000. Either way, your room will rock.
post #6825 of 7193
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Originally Posted by AlexanderDelarg View Post

The set up you mentioned will work in the room described. Go with a SVS or a Rythmic sub instead of the Def Tech and you will be golden. If you have room for a third PM 1000 for the center, do that as opposed to the PC 2000. Either way, your room will rock.

Thanks. I was not sure if the room being slightly smaller than what I had originally posted and the fact that we are going to have wood floors put in would make a difference. I also realize that as rdclark pointed out this would be more of an incremental upgrade
rather than moving up to the next level which is fine with me.

I did listen to the PM1000's a few weeks ago at BB and they sounded a little bright to me. The sales person said they had just put them out and that I should stop in again after they had a chance to break in. I am no audiophile but they did sound better this time.
post #6826 of 7193
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Originally Posted by FrankVP View Post

Thanks. I was not sure if the room being slightly smaller than what I had originally posted and the fact that we are going to have wood floors put in would make a difference. I also realize that as rdclark pointed out this would be more of an incremental upgrade
rather than moving up to the next level which is fine with me.

I did listen to the PM1000's a few weeks ago at BB and they sounded a little bright to me. The sales person said they had just put them out and that I should stop in again after they had a chance to break in. I am no audiophile but they did sound better this time.

Many Def Tech owners say one needs to give them about 40-60 hours of break in time to make them shine. Are you going to put down some throw rugs on the hard wood floors? They will help. You can put some acoustic panels up too from ATS or GIK to help.
post #6827 of 7193
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Originally Posted by AlexanderDelarg View Post

Many Def Tech owners say one needs to give them about 40-60 hours of break in time to make them shine. Are you going to put down some throw rugs on the hard wood floors? They will help. You can put some acoustic panels up too from ATS or GIK to help.

Yes we will be putting throw rugs down on the hardwood floors.
post #6828 of 7193
The spec sheet that came with my PM800s references a nominal impedance of 4-8ohms. My question is should I set my Yamaha AVR for 6ohm or 8ohm front speakers or does it even matter? I only have a 2-channel setup currently.
post #6829 of 7193
Well, I ended up purchasing a pair of the ProMonitor 1000's to use as front speakers to replace my Polk RTi6's. I received the PM1000's yesterday and of course hooked them up and
ran my receivers setup program right away.

My first impression was WOW! These speakers sound so much crisper and clearer than my Polks, especially playing music. Looking forward to picking up a ProCenter 2000 soon to
replace my Polk CSi3.
post #6830 of 7193
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Originally Posted by FrankVP View Post

Well, I ended up purchasing a pair of the ProMonitor 1000's to use as front speakers to replace my Polk RTi6's. I received the PM1000's yesterday and of course hooked them up and
ran my receivers setup program right away.

My first impression was WOW! These speakers sound so much crisper and clearer than my Polks, especially playing music. Looking forward to picking up a ProCenter 2000 soon to
replace my Polk CSi3.

If you have the space, run another PM 1000 as your center.
post #6831 of 7193
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Originally Posted by AlexanderDelarg View Post

If you have the space, run another PM 1000 as your center.

What is the advantage of using another PM1000 for a center instead of ProCenter 2000?
post #6832 of 7193
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Originally Posted by FrankVP View Post

What is the advantage of using another PM1000 for a center instead of ProCenter 2000?

In your size room, I would stick with a PC2000. I've used a PM1000 as a center in a small room and three PM1000's lcr sounds great, but the PC2000 is more efficient and fuller sounding which would be more important than and exact match for your size room.
post #6833 of 7193
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Originally Posted by FrankVP View Post



What is the advantage of using another PM1000 for a center instead of ProCenter 2000?

 



Horizontal centers are a compromise to vertical centers. The PC2000 is a well regarded speaker but matching 3 speakers across the front is the way to go if space is not an issue.
post #6834 of 7193
I agree that three identical speakers offer a theoretical advantage (just as a phantom center offers a theoretical advantage in some circumstances). But in most rooms it's not possible to have three identical speakers, because the center will be in a different relationship with room boundaries (particularly the distance from the corners, and often differences in mounting) which will affect the sound. A PM1000 near a corner will sound different from one that's away from all walls; a PM1000 18 inches from the floor will sound different from one three feet from the floor.

The effects of "lobing" are IMO often blown out of proportion. It is, after all, a passive phenomenon that can usually be corrected for at any given listening position. If the speaker can be adjusted to sound good at the necessary listening positions, there is no issue at all.

Further, in the size room the ProCinema series speakers are intended for, most listeners will be within the primary radiating area of a PC2000, and lobing just won't be an issue.

Finally, from my personal experience, there is simply something special about the PC2000 in combination with pair of PM1000s. I've never heard a better-integrated sound stage, and while I've subsequently replaced my 1000s with BP8bs, the PC2000 still reigns as my center.
post #6835 of 7193
I am going to keep an eye on baja's ebay page and pick up the PC2000 and a pair of PM800's to finish out my system.
The PM1000's were bought new from an authorized dealer to take advantage of the 60 day return policy in case I did
not like the sound or performance.
post #6836 of 7193
Just curious when I ran the Audyssey speaker setup it set the crossover at 60 Hz. DefTechs specs call for crossover to be set at 80 Hz.
Should I just go with the Audyssey settings?
post #6837 of 7193
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Originally Posted by FrankVP View Post

Just curious when I ran the Audyssey speaker setup it set the crossover at 60 Hz. DefTechs specs call for crossover to be set at 80 Hz.
Should I just go with the Audyssey settings?

I wouldn't, personally. 80Hz is the THX recomended crossover, is low enough to prevent localization, is what's recommended by DT, and will put less stress on your amplifiers (something Audyssey doesn't care about).

it does seem to indicate that your speakers and listening position are well situated in relation to one another, and that's a good thing.
post #6838 of 7193
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

I wouldn't, personally. 80Hz is the THX recomended crossover, is low enough to prevent localization, is what's recommended by DT, and will put less stress on your amplifiers (something Audyssey doesn't care about).

it does seem to indicate that your speakers and listening position are well situated in relation to one another, and that's a good thing.

Thanks, I switched the crossover to 80Hz. Our listening position is about 11 ft from the front speakers and about 12 ft from the center speaker.
I left the center speaker set at the 40Hz setting and the rear speakers set at 90Hz which were the settings that Audyssey set.
post #6839 of 7193
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Originally Posted by FrankVP View Post

Thanks, I switched the crossover to 80Hz. Our listening position is about 11 ft from the front speakers and about 12 ft from the center speaker.
I left the center speaker set at the 40Hz setting and the rear speakers set at 90Hz which were the settings that Audyssey set.

Is that the Polk CC speaker? That seems like a dangerously low crossover frequency. I would try using 80Hz across all three front speakers. There's really no reason to push your system as hard as these low crossovers wold
post #6840 of 7193
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

Is that the Polk CC speaker? That seems like a dangerously low crossover frequency. I would try using 80Hz across all three front speakers. There's really no reason to push your system as hard as these low crossovers wold

Yes the center speaker is a Polk CSi3 and the rears are Polk OWM3's. I will take your advice and set the three fronts to 80Hz.
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