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post #91 of 7194
Looking to possibly get stands for the PM 1000's. These have good reviews but would they be good for this:

http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-SPSCU...5677812&sr=8-2



On another note... Is the 2000 center really worth the $200 upgrade over the 1000 to get it?
post #92 of 7194
I figure pictures are worth more than words so even though this room isn't near done here goes:



In that picture the circles mark the spot I can mount one of the 1000's behind the sectional on a stand or wall mount or in the corner using either wall at ear level. Also in this picture marked with the squares are possible locations for the subwoofer. Either beside the sectional or caddy corner.



In that photo I can do a stand again behind the sectional or use either wall in the picture. As you can see the sectional sits about half wall to the end.



In that picture you can see where I can jump over the stairs and put one of the 1000's by the door. Kind of far but the only other option is on the wall with the flat.



In this one you can see where I can place the 1000's to either side of the flat or the wall to the right where the door is open. I forgot to mark it with an X but over by the picture. For those fronts it is the far out walls or right by the flat.


Ideas, suggestions??
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post #93 of 7194
I can really put it anywhere in the room and live with it but isn't the best place right in the front of the room?

I kind of like it out of sight out of mind on the back wall by the sectional or in that corner but if it isn't optimal I can move it where it needs to go.
LL
post #94 of 7194
the corner is the best place for the sub. I'd put the mains next to the tv a bit lower than the red circles. Ideally I'd move the TV down to eye level and spread the speakers out more, but thats just me

Oh, and put the surrounds on the side walls, not behind your head on the couch.
post #95 of 7194
Thanks for the response! I was starting to think nobody was reading that.


Actually the set isn't up real high and it puts the center channel right at ear level which sounds awesome. So the fronts you think I should space them out as much as possible on the TV wall and drop them down a bit? Guess it isn't worth jumping over walls where the door is in the second picture?
As for the sub you think move that end table over and set the sub there? Only thing is I don't have an outlet close by for it Beside the sectional I have one behind the couch and over on the left wall I have one right at the mid-point of the room which is the very best reach since the electric cord will be exactly behind the sub. In the front of the room I have an outlet about 1 1/2' over to the left I can plug it into where it is now in the first picture.
So the rears I should mount to the side walls? Makes sense to me! Think I should move the sectional out and center it up on the rear wall then? The person in the corner would get blasted then... kind of regardless. Stands or mounts for the rears? I have the Omni 10's coming that I could mount them to a stud 16" off the rear wall or get a pair of stands.

Just on the sub, 1000 center and that one 1000 front it sounds awesome! Can't wait to get everything in place, cables hidden and components in the basement!
post #96 of 7194
I have just set up a ProCinema 600 system with an Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver. I ran the Audyssey auto-calibration on the Onkyo and it seems to want to cross the speakers at 150Hz. Doesn't it sound a little on the high side?

The Onkyo also has another setting "LPF on LFE" with options 80,100,120 Hz. So if it crosses the speakers at 150 and the low-pass cut-off on LFE is at 120, then what happens to the gap between the 120-150Hz?
post #97 of 7194
I have another question related here. Is their any reason to run all the speaker wires into the back of the sub? Does it do anything for you?
post #98 of 7194
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Originally Posted by Intercooler2 View Post

I have another question related here. Is their any reason to run all the speaker wires into the back of the sub? Does it do anything for you?

With older receivers it may work better from what I spoke with someone at DefTech, but for new receivers he said they do a very good job at bass management and it should not make a difference how it's set up.
post #99 of 7194
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Originally Posted by SirDracula View Post

I have just set up a ProCinema 600 system with an Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver. I ran the Audyssey auto-calibration on the Onkyo and it seems to want to cross the speakers at 150Hz. Doesn't it sound a little on the high side?

The Onkyo also has another setting "LPF on LFE" with options 80,100,120 Hz. So if it crosses the speakers at 150 and the low-pass cut-off on LFE is at 120, then what happens to the gap between the 120-150Hz?

Sounds about right to me. The recommended cutoff for the ProMonitor800s are 120Hz according to the manual. They use 4 1/2" mid/bass drivers. The ProMonitor600s in your system use a smaller 3 1/4" mid/bass drivers so I would expect them not to go as low as the PM800s. Can they player lower than 150Hz? Of course they can. However, if you lower the crossover point, you will lose some power handling and increase distortion. How much you can lower the crossover point depends on how loud you listen, how well your ears can detect distortion and if you notice a gap in the freq response.

Don't go by DefTech specs. It just says that a sound can be produced at the cutoff frequency specs. That sound can be -20dB lower than two octaves above it.

On the Onkyo, it sounds like there could be a gap if you can't cross the sub @ 150Hz. A workaround might be to bypass the receiver crossover (if possible) and use the sub crossover.

Gordon
post #100 of 7194
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Originally Posted by SirDracula View Post

I have just set up a ProCinema 600 system with an Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver. I ran the Audyssey auto-calibration on the Onkyo and it seems to want to cross the speakers at 150Hz. Doesn't it sound a little on the high side?

The Onkyo also has another setting "LPF on LFE" with options 80,100,120 Hz. So if it crosses the speakers at 150 and the low-pass cut-off on LFE is at 120, then what happens to the gap between the 120-150Hz?


What are your overall impressions of the SR605 pushing the ProCinema 600 system? I was thinking of matching the 605 with the ProCinema 800 or even 1000.


Anyone's opinion on the Onkyo SR805 matched with the ProCinema 800 or 1000. Ideally I'd love to go this route but there is that ~$450-500 price difference between the SR605 and SR805.

Thanks.
post #101 of 7194
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Originally Posted by BigBearAZ View Post

What are your overall impressions of the SR605 pushing the ProCinema 600 system? I was thinking of matching the 605 with the ProCinema 800 or even 1000.

I really like the entire setup. I re-watched Spiderman 2 last night, after I did the setup and some calibration (the calibration part is far from over as I have a few questions) and it was amazing.

If money is no issue, then go for the best speakers you can afford. I'm not an audiophile or videophile, I think the 600's and the 605 pairing is very good for my taste and for my pocket.

In general I think it's worth investing in the best speakers you can afford, that's something you don't need to upgrade for many years to come, unlike things like a receiver, dvd player, etc. - for these I like to get the best bang for the money, not the latest bells and whistles.

As for the power, one thing that may or may not be normal is that I start hearing the speakers when the receiver volume is above 35 (out of 100), but not below. Everything is hooked up correctly, there are no shorts, etc. so I'm not sure whether this is normal or not. If I crank the volume up to 60 it gets really loud and there's still plenty of room to go up. I don't know whether these speakers require more power to drive them or that's normal behavior of the 605 with any speakers.
post #102 of 7194
I run my 605's withe the 1000's on 69 while watching movies and up to 75 on music. They sound great! My only dark thought is would the 2000 center be that much better?
post #103 of 7194
Glad to hear you got your 600's Sir Dracula. I just got my e-mail from ABT.com that my pro800 and 805 receiver shipped today. It's been a long 2 weeks on backorder. I have been reading the 805 thread but without having and setting up my own receiver I will not speculate about your volume level question. If you solve it share the solution please.
Hope I can start setting my system up this weekend. 130lbs shipping weight.Thankfully free shipping.
post #104 of 7194
thanks for the feedback SirDracula

Hamsamish09, I'd love to hear your imperssions on the Pro800/Onkyo 805 setup when you have everything up and running.
post #105 of 7194
I will do that...BigBearAZ!

wahoodude23 , did you pickup the omnimount 10's? If so how do they work,if not what brand? Any one else have ceiling mounts they like? I purchased omni 10's but I wont get them until 8/2

Thanks.
post #106 of 7194
I have been reading a few threads for a while now and needed to add a comment. Originally, I was using an old Nakamichi AV1 with original series Bose 901's in a room 26 x 25 (quite large). It was sufficient bass then. Though after all these years I needed to upgrade and installed a Onkyo 805, Rotel 1095 Amp with Def Tech 1000 Monitors, centers and sub, all this still in the same large room.

At first I tried wiring it with just full range on the main monitors I lacked a lot of the bass I had with the 901s. Then I connected it using Def Techs recommendation; the receiver to the sub and then to the fronts>>>> wow the system actually fills the room with full range sound and all the bass I will ever need.

Remember, I have read a few of these and none had a system installed in a such a large room. This is really good.
post #107 of 7194
i just got home with a ProCenter 2000 and hooked it up to my onkyo 605. wow! it sounds awesome. i have yet to get the sub or my 800 pm sorrounds yet so for now i just have the procenter 2000 and the pm 1000's for l/r. i am really enjoying these speakers so far and am looking forward to completing my setup.
thanks for the info on the sub configuration tanman, i will give that a try once i acquire the sub which should be sometime before september if all goes well.
i have a computer desktop setup in my room that i have to get rid of and buy a laptop before i can get the sub in here.
post #108 of 7194
I forgot to add; the room has vaulted ceiling 20' at the highest point. And in my last post the sound was without using the Rotel Amp.
post #109 of 7194
I finally took the time to calibrate the 600's and the Onkyo 605 receiver. All I can say is wow! It does make a difference and there is some tweaking required (at least in my case). I used the Avia DVD and a Radioshack SPL meter.

In my case the calibration with the tones generated by the receiver was different than using the DVD. I settled on the DVD calibration as that's my main source and it truly calibrates the entire system, end to end, rather than just the receiver (via the receiver generated tones).

For what it's worth, I settled on 120Hz crossover, hookup via the receiver (not via the sub), LPF of LFE channel also set to 120Hz in the receiver.

The ProCinema package is great, I'm impressed both with the music and movies, but I'm just an average consumer. In the end, I'm glad I got the 600's, they sounded so good even in store where I'm sure they were not even calibrated.

FWIW, I settled on hooking the speakers up to the receiver directly, crossover at 120Hz, LPF of LFE channel also at 120Hz. I let Audyssey 2EQ do the initial calibration and left the distance and equalizer settings at what Audyssey determined and then just tweaked the individual speaker volumes with the DVD.
post #110 of 7194
BigBearAz

I finally received and installed my system this past weekend and I am truly happy I purchased this setup. The 800's sound as crisp as I remember the 600's sounding in the theater room at BB/Magnolia. The wife is pleased with the size of the speakers and says she can now hear the dialog in movies now.

I hooked up a PS3, Pioneer upconvert dvd, HD Direct tv, and cable dvr to my Onkyo 805.
I also ran an optical cable from my plasma to the 805 for OTA dolby.( No 805 problems at all). They all sound great over these speakers. I do plan now to install 2 rear speakers for 7.1, but a little later.

I agree with SirDracula, I used them for a couple of days before using Audssey to calibrate the speakers and will now use DVE to further tweek the levels with a spl meter.

I went with omnimount 10's for rear and purchased Def Tech pro800 stands for the front due to my screwy room layout, can not mount on the wall beside tv.

I like the look, build quality and mostly the sound these speakers produce. The sub 800 has plenty of thump for an 8" woofer.
post #111 of 7194
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Originally Posted by hamsamish09 View Post

I agree with SirDracula, I used them for a couple of days before using Audssey to calibrate the speakers and will now use DVE to further tweek the levels with a spl meter.

FWIW, I prefer Avia over DVE, I have both, Avia seems more professional and the test tones seem better recorded (louder that is).

Congratulations on your setup! I hope you don't have the popping noises with your 805 like I do with my 605 - I think I'm taking it back. Too bad, I love its sound, but the popping noises are annoying and it also puts out an excessive amount of heat, between the LCD TV and the receiver, I don't think I'd need heating in that room in the winter, the summer is another story ...
post #112 of 7194
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Originally Posted by SirDracula View Post

FWIW, I prefer Avia over DVE, I have both, Avia seems more professional and the test tones seem better recorded (louder that is).

Congratulations on your setup! I hope you don't have the popping noises with your 805 like I do with my 605 - I think I'm taking it back. Too bad, I love its sound, but the popping noises are annoying and it also puts out an excessive amount of heat, between the LCD TV and the receiver, I don't think I'd need heating in that room in the winter, the summer is another story ...


do you only have popping with a ps3? i have the 605 and watch cable over hdmi and play 360 over optical and don't hear any popping with my 605 and the promonitor 1000's, think i am okay?
post #113 of 7194
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Originally Posted by savage1005 View Post

do you only have popping with a ps3? i have the 605 and watch cable over hdmi and play 360 over optical and don't hear any popping with my 605 and the promonitor 1000's, think i am okay?

How hot does it get? I think it's heat related and not source related. I don't have a PS3.

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=859792
post #114 of 7194
I was about to get the Polk RM20 satellite speaker set and pair it with a Martin Logan Dynamo subwoofer. Total cost will be around $1,100. Now I'm thinking that I should look at a comparable offering from Def Tech, maybe the ProCinema 800 using the 1000 center channel. Can anyone offer a comparison or recommendation on the Polks vs. Def Techs? Thanks.
post #115 of 7194
Went to BB today and listened to the following setup....

4 - Pro Monitor 800's
1 - ProCenter1
1 - Martin Logan Dynamo 10" powered sub

I was fairly impressed. Is there a reason I shouldn't pair the satellites from Def Tech with a sub from Martin Logan? Is the ProCinema 800 or 1000 subwoofer a better choice? Should I step to a SuperCube?

I should be able to do this system for under $1200.

Thanks.
post #116 of 7194
jetstream23,

I listened to the Polk's and Klipsch, but liked the Def Tech's much better. I ended up buying the 800 system as separates from ABT.com because they only sold the 600 as a whole system. I still only spent less than $900. The 800 system has a 1000 center and a 800 base(8'' woofer) which I am very pleased with. No reason not to go with Martin Logan if you prefer.

Only you can decide what sounds best to you....and everyone on this thread will/should say that Def Tech Procinema's are the best speaker for your dollar.

Good luck
post #117 of 7194
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Originally Posted by jetstream23 View Post

Went to BB today and listened to the following setup....

4 - Pro Monitor 800's
1 - ProCenter1
1 - Martin Logan Dynamo 10" powered sub

I was fairly impressed. Is there a reason I shouldn't pair the satellites from Def Tech with a sub from Martin Logan? Is the ProCinema 800 or 1000 subwoofer a better choice? Should I step to a SuperCube?

I should be able to do this system for under $1200.

Thanks.

Try different music and movies with the setup. Try other configurations. Bring it home, see if it works in your setup. At the end, go with your ear.
post #118 of 7194
I decided to take my ProCinema 600 package back to Magnolia and get the ProCinema 800 instead from ABT for just a little more $$.

I'm also taking the Onkyo 605 back, I'm fed up with the popping noises and the excessive heat it puts out. I'm replacing it with the new Denon 3808ci also from ABT. I had a Denon in the past and I was very happy with it, paired with a set of B&W CDM SE speakers - ah, how much I miss those speakers!

I hope the new setup Denon + ProCinema 800 will sound decent as I'm not putting any more money into this thing!
post #119 of 7194
Let us know how it sounds when you get it hooked up.

ABT give you a good price?
post #120 of 7194
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Originally Posted by hamsamish09 View Post

Let us know how it sounds when you get it hooked up.

ABT give you a good price?

It won't happen until next weekend, the package is not shipping until tomorrow and I got free ground shipping - I'm cheap. I still have my Onkyo 605 + ProCinema 600 to abuse until then ...

They gave me a deal, not sure if the best deal on the ProCinema 800, but on the Denon they matched the price of an unauthorized dealer, so I'm happy at least Denon won't throw a fit with the warranty if I have issues.

You can PM me if you wan details on the prices, not sure if it's OK to post in here.
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