*Official* Denon 5308 Thread - Page 51

Has anybody sussed out if its possible to have seperate subwoofer settings for Dolby Digital (for movies) and Dolby Pro-logic 2 (for music)?
The reason I ask is if, say I'm listening to some music. Using stereo/direct mode I can tailor the subwoofer setting (LFE settings/crossover). But if I want to use Dolby Pro Logic 2 (which I think sounds amazing with music!) I get the Dolby Digital subwoofer settings in surround parameters. This also affects Dolby Digital movie playback. Is there any way I can tweak up my subwoofer settings for Dolby Pro Logic 2 without affecting settings for Dolby Digital (and hence movies)?

I have a 7 .2 speaker setup.

For music, I use the native encoding for SACD and DVD-Audio, and Denon's '7 channel stereo' for regular 2 channel content. I think the '7 channel stereo' sounds fantastic, but I don't care for any of the other DSP options.

For movies, I use mostly Dolby Digital for DVDs, or one of the lossless codecs for HD-DVD material if available. Pro-Logic IIx sounds OK too, to fiill in the additional channels when missing. I am not a huge fan of DTS, but that's just personal preference, not saying it sounds bad...I just usually seem to prefer the Dolby track whenever I compare the different Dolby / DTS offerings on the same disc.

Cheers,

Doug

THX basically rolls of the high frequencies on a preset curve, it's designed to tame down movie sound tracks that are way to bright,(or is that brite? never could figure that out) as many of them are, much of the time DVD transfers are mastered without that compensation, THX encoded discs have had their sound tracks adjusted for playback in the home, others are suspect, it sounds as if the BASS has been boosted, but I think it's just an effect created when the highs are rolled off, if you have one of the THX playback codecs engaged while playing LOTR you will knock your walls off their foundation the BASS becomes so powerful, speaking from painful experience (kidding, it wasn't painful to me, don't know about the neighbors though)

I'm confused, I read that the BLU-RAY standard has not been finalized, then I am told it has been, then I'm told it hasn't and then it has, it's freeking me out, anybody have the definitive answer?, I'd like to get off this merry-go-round

After I wrote this I found a complete explanation starting on page 92 of the 5308ci owners manual

I did some comparing between THX and Standard. I can definetly hear the highs cut with THX along with cutting out some detail. I'll stick with Standard plus IIx.

For those who couldn't get the monitor working without turning on the receiver, just simply enable HDMI control on the receiver. You will now be able to watch TV without having to turn on the receiver.

This industry moves fast. I am pretty pleased so far with Blu ray. This is my third foray into the realm of home theater. IMHO, it's never been more enjoyable than it is now.

I guess we have come to expect that there will be more improvements down the not too distant road. Hopefully though, we can take pause and enjoy the remarkable advances before us now. I love the new Hi Rez audio codecs,especially DTS HD Master Audio.

The other night we watched Shoot Em UP with Paul Giammatti and Clive Owen. This flick was like a comic book that sprung to life. Stunts and tricks are unbelievable. The sound though, it was breathtaking.

Every time I put in a new movie I am amazed at how wonderful my 5308CI and 2500Btci combo handles playback.

Sometimes, I forget that I am really a snobby, High end, 2 channel, tube aficionado that only listens to vinyl. Home theater is now in a league of it's own, finally! For me to compare it to two Chanel is like comparing apples to oranges.

I always scoffed at the notion that digital can sound as good as vinyl. Now I'm not so sure anymore.

I do know one thing for sure. True home theater in the home has arrived. The AVR 5308CI is an amazing piece of audio/video gear. I love it more every day.

So, Sony, Denon, Onkyo and Pioneer, thanks for the new stuff. Please let us enjoy it before you spring any new formats on us.

Sort of off topic, but does anyone know of a cool cable labeling system? Something with tags? Removable and reusable? Laser printer?

Thanks,

The specs are complete. Anything made after October has to be a minimum of 1.1.
There are 3 types of players...
1.0
1.1 (Bonus View)
2.0 (BD-Live)


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=868226

As you can see, each version builds on the other.
Its up to you which features you want. Im using 1.0 (an out of spec player) and will be using it for quite sometime....

Can someone do me a favor????
Anyone using a player that can output 480i for standard DVD and has a 1080P display, please set the 5308 VP to "AUTO" and than check to see what resolution the 5308 is outputting.
Im using an RS1 and for some reason the 5308 is only upconverting to 1080i (I can set the 5308 to 1080P and get it, but auto should do 1080P).
I've mentioned this bug in the past and Denon Jeff says its the RS1 telling the receiver what to output. I've checked the monitor info in the 5308 and it does confirm that the RS1 says it can do 1080P.

I use this, works great:

http://www.brother-usa.com/ptouch/

Cheers,

Doug

I asked the question, because I am told that DEEP COLOR is not part of the standard, so if it's not a part of the standard, they will either never include DC on a disc, or they will have to change the standard, if they do that, are BLU-RAY players designed to have up-grades installed, such as DC?, if not, what's all the fuss about DC?, I understand it has more going on than more colors, such as color banding, and a wider better controlled greyscale, but why fuss about something that will not become a reality?

On my 60-in Pio 8G panel, the OPPO 983 gives a more superior picture than my 5900 (480i)/5308 compo. You should see it to believe it.

Still, it is no blu-ray.

I have an Oppo Dv-980H and am very impressed with its up-coversion to 1080P viewed on my Mits 73" WD73833. The Denon DVD-2500BTCI/AVR-5308CI combo is better, but is a lot more of a hassle to set up.

This way, I use the Oppo for DVD, DVD audio, SACD, and use the DVD-2500BTCI strictly for blu-ray.

Using a Toshiba HD-A2 outputting 480i over HDMI with the 5308 VP set to 'auto' I get 1080p on my Pioneer Elite 150FD. Disc was the Criterion 'Days Of Heaven', if that matters.

Thanks Bobby... it must be my display than.

A strange thing happened last night, I was experimenting with settings, and turned on the A-H H-H and the screen turned black, of course I lost the menu screen, so I turned off the A-H H-H and went back to view a DVD having set the player for 480p (the lowest rez. it offers) and suddenly the output is not scaled to 1080i, to view 1080i I need to put the players rez-out to 1080i, so my reply is questionable, haven't figured it out yet, so kindly disreguard the following, the HDMI auto connection between the receiver and monitor, has nothing to do with your DVD player, it's supposed to determine the native resolution of your display device (projector I believe) and output at that resolution, perhaps you have something setup on the projector that won't allow the HDMI handshake with the receiver, or, are you using standard HDMI cables? if you are, the receiver would be sensing the limited bandwidth and allowing only 1080i, only high speed 1.3 cables will allow an automatic connection for 1080p as I understand it, you could set the output to 1080p and force the connection through a standard HDMI cable, but it would not be as good a picture, also, somewhere in the Denon lit, it says when connecting the TV to the receiver with HDMI, turn the TV on before the receiver, have no idea if that has any effect, I always have done the oposite

Not that I really believe in hi-speed 1.3 cables (although mine happen to be of that ilk)... but 1080p only requires an HDMI 1.1 link, if that, so don't think it has much, if anything, to do with the cables, unless they are very old (or very cheap?) cables...

check out my #1496 statement, it's a direct quote from the HDMI standards written page, standard cable only goes out to 75Mhz, enough for proper display of 1080i, not 1080p, which requires high speed cables

Doesn't miss it by much though, if it looks anything like my Denon 5910ci 5308ci combo, does it?

Home Theater Secrets Shootout gave 5900 a score of 92, 5910 a 97 and 983 a 100. I guess you can make your own conclusions.

Hi,

Well I have tried a few different HDMI cables from 1.1 to 1.3a. So far it just doesn't seem to matter if it is $10.00 cable or a $200.00 cable. Panasonic BD30>Denon 5308>JVC DLA-HD100 (RS2) projector do fine with all the 1080p material and HD-Audio formats that I have thrown at it so far. If set to auto the 5308 will output 1080i with the JVC. I just set it to 1080P in the 5308. The 480i/576P signal was sent from my old Pana RP91 DVD-A player>5308>JVC DLA-HD100.

Physics and actual testing always trump "standards" and marketing.

HDMI length and a minimal quality will make a difference, as well as any plug converters and EMC/EMP interference, e.g., a high end DVI/HDMI cable can get busted by a good HDMI cable and a DVI/HDMI convertor. Keep lengths as short as reasonable and good qual cables will work vs any new "standard" for head room.

As pointed out the AVR to display device hand shaking is a different issue/consideration than player to AVR.

It must be a JVC thing.
Technically we are suppose to turn off the VP when watching Blu-ray anyways, but I sometimes forget.

Its setup right. Denon Jeff says the 5308 outputs what the display tells it to. I get 1080p/24 when set to AUTO no probelm (BD), but when sending it 480i, AUTO decides to output 1080i (DVD). Setting it to 1080p fixes it.

I do agree with you, watching BR with VP turned off the projector reports 1080p/24 and with it on it reports 1080P/60. Really, the 5308 does such a good job its hard to tell the difference.

Another issue to report.

There's a thread in the BD software section about Die Hard II and DTS. People were having problems with the track that was suppose to be DTS MA. Some didnt play and some displayed DTS high resolution.
With the 5308 it always played but reported it as high resolution and not the Master track which it should of been.
Heres where it gets interesting...
Another member who uses a 4308, just reported that after a firmware, Die Hard II now displays DTS MA (his used to display high resolution like the 5308). Well today I thought I'd give it a try to confirm (since I did a firmware about 2 weeks ago) and guess what???? Nothing. NO sound at all! The other Dolby tracks work though.

Anyone else with the BD version of Die Hard II (has to be be II) please confirm? Thanks!

Heck of a nice projector, as far as cables are concerned, I started out using Radio Shack $40 cables, went to Monster cable 600 series, then wound up with Monster cable 1000 series, with each change of cable there was an improvement in color saturation, and video noise has been reduced to the point it doesn't exist anymore, one of the most improved discs is Disneys Pocahontas, which went from visible noise to absloutely no-noise in the picture, which is now so good it comes near to HD quality, just stunning, so you folks can believe as you wish about cables, my beliefs are based upon looking and listening, not on someones opinion, or on a review someone wrote, I borrowed my buddies Oppo player, and while it was better then my old 5900, it didn't compare to the 5910ci, when installed in my system, if it had, I would have saved a bundle

Thanks for the comment on the JVC.......really enjoying it!!! I usually stay away from all cable debates or comments but because of the vast difference in price of the HDMI cables IMHO don't see or hear any difference in my system between the high dollar cable and the cheap ones I've tried. I am very picky about A/V quality and have VMPS tweaked RM 40's speakers that are very revealing and use the 5308 as a pre with a 10K Verastarr 6ch amp for the fronts. The projector is also very revealing in the video department. Anyway, I just think IMHO the HDMI cables from 10$ to $300 range don't change what I see or hear in my HT......if I did I would buy all the high end cable needed since the rest of the equipment I use is fairly expensive. Maybe my old eyes and ears just can't notice the difference anymore....