*Official* Denon 5308 Thread - Page 10

Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

So the 5308 is beginning to show some bruises already and it's not even on the market yet....
For the price Denon is charging for this beast I was counting/hoping that Denon did something special with its video processing... apparently not.
The 4308 is looking better and better.
I think I'll wait to see what Pioneer has done with their new flagship and go from there.

dc

Originally Posted by bambam

You guys are losing me. What are the "bruises" that are making this piece seem "subpar"? Give it to me in real world - would I know the difference - terms.

Is someone above saying this won't upconvert to 1080p? What is the "no adjustments" on 1080p. I'm confused as hell, and I'm really into this hobby.

Originally Posted by rudolpht

DC,

If you read the 3 or 4 snippets of the manual related to video processing. There are lots of caveats on conversions. Suggest you check it out and make your own interpretations/conclusions.

Tim

Originally Posted by rudolpht

Yes, the response was for a prior poster.

I think the 1080p passthrough is fine. For me the need is all signals that are not 1080p then they get up converted to 1080p (the only res my projector will take) and it doesn't appear to do that in all cases (though configuring each output individually is a plus.

Originally Posted by rudolpht

I think the 1080p passthrough is fine. For me the need is all signals that are not 1080p then they get up converted to 1080p (the only res my projector will take) and it doesn't appear to do that in all cases (though configuring each output individually is a plus.

Originally Posted by dem

One thing to keep in mind is that a 1080p signal on component inputs won't come out the HDMI output.

But what case is there where a non-1080p input signal won't be output over HDMI?

Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

I assume you meant this post for bambam.

As a local a/v friend of mine pointed out today, the lack of processing for 1080p signals might be a good thing or at least not a bad thing.
Do you really want to mess about with a pristine 1080p/24fps video signal from some of the better blu-ray and hd-dvd players/discs....... probably not.
One look at Ratatouille Blu-ray makes me wonder how much better can it get
So I'm back on the 5308 bandwagon as of now

dc

Originally Posted by erikk

From what I understand the Realta is capable of cleaning up even a 1080p signal if properly utilized. Now having said that, I'm just parroting back what I've read here and elsewhere; I don't understand the mechanics of how it does what it does or even what exactly it's doing. But the people posting sure seemed to know what they were talking about and if the Realta chip is really that good then for sure it'd be nice if the Denon took advantage of it.

Originally Posted by rudolpht

If you check the manual there are specific examples where it says it will not upconvert.

Originally Posted by erikk

The original Xbox 360.

Originally Posted by dem

I can't seem to find these examples for signals other than non-standard computer resolutions. Can you provide a page number?


So the original Xbox 360 can output a non-1080p signal that the 5308ci won't convert to 1080p?

Originally Posted by dem

I can't seem to find these examples for signals other than non-standard computer resolutions. Can you provide a page number?


So the original Xbox 360 can output a non-1080p signal that the 5308ci won't convert to 1080p?

Originally Posted by AlexBPM

The 360 doesn't have HDMI output, it only has component out. And the 5308 will not convert a 1080p component signal to 1080p HDMI. It should convert 1080i component to HDMI, but i haven't read the manual yet so i can't confirm.

Originally Posted by FilmMixer

Actually...all new 360's have HDMI outputs now (the 360, Aracede and Elite versions)...

Originally Posted by Digital2004

28.5kg
would have liked something like 35kg but anyway... a fine AV amp for sure it will be
too bad those remotes stink. the Onkyo is easier to use. imho.
still i'm of those guys who prefer to turn on the whole pro rack and adjust things (input, sound decoder) before the movie and then enjoy the movie and that's it.
premium silver as on the hifi products is very nice looking indeed.
if black was available in Europe , i would have loved to see a brushed back aluminium such as on the Toshiba X1 hd dvd player.

regarding power: imho it has enough with high sensitive speakers in a dedicated absorbant htheater (klipsch, gkf, jblpro)
but there's NO replacement for power amp such as NAD MASTER M25 for instance or the 955 or 975. or an ADA PTM 6150 THX
even with high sensitive speakers.


my AVCA1HD will be combinend with these already awaiting it

Originally Posted by Terminator

Looks like it's going to ship very soon, Denon's website has it posted up. I've been waiting since last March, I was getting this one but changed my mine when the new Pioneer Elite merged onto the scene. Good luck with the Denon.

Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

From the rumor mill,
Denon will be coming out with a 4808ci
and......... a 5808/9ci, maybe this summer?

dc

Originally Posted by Johnla

It does not have 9 channels of built in amplification, it only has 7. You will not be able to run a 9.1 setup and also a set of zone 2 speakers with all of them running at the same time, unless you also add some external amps. The A+B power spec only means, that the two pairs of speakers when run as A+B at the same time, would also end up sharing the same power output. Start looking more at page 84 of the manual under "amp assign". Do not go by just by what you see on page 10, where it mainly only shows speaker connections.

BTW, Denon's calling it 9.1 is kind of bogus, when all it is really doing is doubling up on the L&R surrounds (A+B) that are also just sharing a common power output.

Originally Posted by oscarlouis

This might be a silly question but if I am running a 5.1 system then, am I likely to get more than 150w per channel?

Chris

Originally Posted by Johnla

Unless they are really underating their amp section on this AVR by about 30wpc, which I really doubt they are, as most times they tend to over rate them. Probably not, most recivers do not really put out their advertised rating with all 7 or even 5 channels driven all at once. Rough guess, is you maybe drop somewhere about 30-40wpc off the 150wpc rating if driving all 7 at once, and about 20-30 with 5 all at once. But even so, that would also mean that you should at least get more of your 150wpc that they claim, to actually use, running a 5.1 setup than you would a 7.1, but it would also not boost it to go over 150wpc when running as a 5.1 setup.

Originally Posted by prismic

Thanks for the clarification -- page 84 made more sense, and indeed the 9.1 seems bogus since it implies 9 full power, full range channels.

So this begs the question: let's say you have the same exact model of speaker you're using all around the back in "9.1" (for SL A+B, SR A+B, SB x 2) -- won't there be a noticeable difference between the channels in SL and SR running half power vs. the SB channels each piping 150W? I guess the levels will just need to be adjusted differently (the amp must just be running in parallel?)...