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post #3031 of 4900
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Originally Posted by cydog3 View Post

QUESTION

Can I play net audio and watch TV at the same time??

Before everyone says why would you do that : ) I want to listen to the radio while I work out but have sports on the tv

Thanks


Yes you can do that-I watch sports while listening to music all the time. I think page 45-46 of the manual explains it. You cannot split the HDMI signal, however.
post #3032 of 4900
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Most BD players on the market automatically upscale S-DVDs if you have the player set to "automatically" sync to the native resolution of the monitor its connected to. One would have to manually change the output resolution, based upon the source content being played. It would be nice if you could set the player to "automatically" pass the source resolution, without upscaling or deinterlacing it. For me it means separate, dedicated players for S-DVDs and BDs.

A number of players have a source-direct output option that outputs whatever is on the disc, including DVDs without scaling. And then there is the Denon 2500 which is more akin to a transport and does the same basically.
post #3033 of 4900
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Originally Posted by steady teddy View Post

Yes you can do that-I watch sports while listening to music all the time. I think page 45-46 of the manual explains it. You cannot split the HDMI signal, however.

I dont see anything on those pages about it. how did you set yours up ?

Thanks
post #3034 of 4900
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Originally Posted by AdamWL View Post

Well you can't get the DVD-3800 with the purchase of a 3808, but you can get a free DVD-2500BTCI! In fact, all of the following Denon AVRs can get a free DVD-2500: AVR-989, 2809, 3808, 4308 and 5308. If I hadn't a few months ago gotten a 1909 for my bedroom (already had a 5308 in the LR), I would have seriously considered the 2809, if I could have gotten it with a free DVD-2500! Oh well, what can you do?

Here's the link a Amazon for the deal (but any authorized Denon dealer is offering this). http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1000343931

I think this deal is only in the US though... I live in Canada where prices are notoriously high and customer service is dismal
post #3035 of 4900
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Originally Posted by cydog3 View Post

I dont see anything on those pages about it. how did you set yours up ?

Example:

If you want to watch Satellite TV while listening to Net Radio.

On the remote, press Menu > Source Select > Net/USB > Video Select > Sat
post #3036 of 4900
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Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles View Post

A number of players have a source-direct output option that outputs whatever is on the disc, including DVDs without scaling. And then there is the Denon 2500 which is more akin to a transport and does the same basically.

I'll wait until Denon updates the 2500 to include Denon-Link and adds SACD and DVD-A. I'd also like to see an Ethernet port in there to take advantage of on-line content. Until then, it's still two players for me.
post #3037 of 4900
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Originally Posted by steady teddy View Post

Example:

If you want to watch Satellite TV while listening to Net Radio.

On the remote, press Menu > Source Select > Net/USB > Video Select > Sat

I just tried that it does change in the menu but still shows the song being played on the screen yet the video select says SAT and the Sat box is on
post #3038 of 4900
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Originally Posted by cydog3 View Post

I just tried that it does change in the menu but still shows the song being played on the screen yet the video select says SAT and the Sat box is on

AHH looks like you cant . On pg 44 it says *it is not possible to select a HDMI input source.

So I tested this and if I hook my DirectTV up via compent it does work but as HDMI it wont

What a complete waste!!!!!

Some here say they have it working can you tell me if your source is HDMI ?

THanks
post #3039 of 4900
I’m in process of ordering a new unit and would like to specify the latest firmware. Can someone please help me out?

Thanks,

David
post #3040 of 4900
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Originally Posted by AdamWL View Post

I'll wait until Denon updates the 2500 to include Denon-Link and adds SACD and DVD-A. I'd also like to see an Ethernet port in there to take advantage of on-line content. Until then, it's still two players for me.

I think they already have. They're calling it the:

DVD-A1UDCI
post #3041 of 4900
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Originally Posted by cydog3 View Post

AHH looks like you cant . On pg 44 it says *it is not possible to select a HDMI input source.

So I tested this and if I hook my DirectTV up via compent it does work but as HDMI it wont

What a complete waste!!!!!

Some here say they have it working can you tell me if your source is HDMI ?

Like I already said, you cannot split the HDMI signal. You have to use component.

Where in this thread is it mentioned the the HDMI signal can be split with the 5308?
post #3042 of 4900
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Originally Posted by john barlow View Post

I think they already have. They're calling it the:

DVD-A1UDCI

Not at all. The DVD-A1UDCI is more a replacement for the $3,800 DVD-5810CI and an upgrade to the DVD-3800BDCI. The DVD-2500BTCI is a transport ONLY. It just has a single HDMI output. It was designed to pair with the 5308CI so that you wouldn't have redundant VP and DACs. Since we already have the video and audio processing in our 5308s, all we need is the transport with the addition of Denon-Link for universal audio formats and an Ethernet port for firmware updates and BD-Live/other online content. It should also be a 1/4 the price of the DVD-A1UDCI. Denon Jeff, in an interview, indicated that they would be revving all their BD players by the end of the year. I would take this as meaning the 2500 transport would be upgraded accordingly.
post #3043 of 4900
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Originally Posted by steady teddy View Post

Like I already said, you cannot split the HDMI signal. You have to use component.

Where in this thread is it mentioned the the HDMI signal can be split with the 5308?

WHERE am I trying to Split an HDMI signal ?? Net radio is via ethernet not HDMI and I want the source to be HDMI for the picture

Sorry for being numb on this I just dont see where I am splitting it
post #3044 of 4900
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Originally Posted by cydog3 View Post

WHERE am I trying to Split an HDMI signal ?? Net radio is via ethernet not HDMI and I want the source to be HDMI for the picture

Sorry for being numb on this I just dont see where I am splitting it

Denon will not allow you to use a digital video source (HDMI) with another audio source. You have to double up your source video connection with an analog cable (composite, S-video or component video). Then you can combine the analog source video with another audio source. That's just the way it is with Denon AVRs. And no, it's not that it can't be done, because I had an Onkyo NR906 and it did allow you to combine the HDMI video with an alternate audio source. Denon just didn't implement it in this manner. You have to take the bad with the good...
post #3045 of 4900
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Originally Posted by AdamWL View Post

Denon will not allow you to use a digital video source (HDMI) with another audio source. You have to double up your source video connection with an analog cable (composite, S-video or component video). Then you can combine the analog source video with another audio source. That's just the way it is with Denon AVRs. And no, it's not that it can't be done, because I had an Onkyo NR906 and it did allow you to combine the HDMI video with an alternate audio source. Denon just didn't implement it in this manner. You have to take the bad with the good...

AHH thanks !!
post #3046 of 4900
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Originally Posted by AdamWL View Post

Not at all. The DVD-A1UDCI is more a replacement for the $3,800 DVD-5810CI and an upgrade to the DVD-3800BDCI. The DVD-2500BTCI is a transport ONLY. It just has a single HDMI output. It was designed to pair with the 5308CI so that you wouldn't have redundant VP and DACs. Since we already have the video and audio processing in our 5308s, all we need is the transport with the addition of Denon-Link for universal audio formats and an Ethernet port for firmware updates and BD-Live/other online content. It should also be a 1/4 the price of the DVD-A1UDCI. Denon Jeff, in an interview, indicated that they would be revving all their BD players by the end of the year. I would take this as meaning the 2500 transport would be upgraded accordingly.

I hope you're right because I would rather replace my 2500 with one with just an ethernet and Denonlink. It would be more cost effective than going the whole DVD-A!UDCI route.
post #3047 of 4900
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Originally Posted by john barlow View Post

I hope you're right because I would rather replace my 2500 with one with just an ethernet and Denonlink. It would be more cost effective than going the whole DVD-A!UDCI route.

Amen to that!
post #3048 of 4900
Hi,

Just wondering if anyone is using the HD radio receiver built in to the 5308.

If so, what antenna are you using? Indoor or outdoor? Where do you live, and how many stations do you get? Is it worth the trouble and expense (for the antenna)?

Is there a significant sound difference compared to XM?

I am in Canada on southern Vancouver Island, Pacific Northwest. I expect I could pick up Bellingham, Port Angeles, and maybe a few other WA state stations.

I don't think there is anything in Canada I could pick up; my understanding is we use a different standard for HD radio from the US, and besides I doubt any Canadian stations in this area are broadcasting in HD. Although I bought my 5308 in brand new Canada I am willing to bet the HD radio receiver is based on the US system.

Anyone else in this area getting any HD radio, on either side of the border?

Interested to hear any information or opinions at all...

Thanks!

Doug
post #3049 of 4900
Yeah, I use HD radio just fine. I'm not sure what you mean by the extra cost for the antenna, it's just a regular antenna jack, included in the box. You could just plug your current antenna into that antenna input and see what you get. that's free.

Just be sure that there are two sets of antenna ins on the back, one for the regular tuner, and one for the HD tuner. This is confusing. The HD tuner also does regular if it isn't an HD station, or if it isn't a strong enough signal it just falls back to analog no problem.
post #3050 of 4900
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Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles View Post

Yeah, I use HD radio just fine. I'm not sure what you mean by the extra cost for the antenna, it's just a regular antenna jack, included in the box. You could just plug your current antenna into that antenna input and see what you get. that's free.

Just be sure that there are two sets of antenna ins on the back, one for the regular tuner, and one for the HD tuner. This is confusing. The HD tuner also does regular if it isn't an HD station, or if it isn't a strong enough signal it just falls back to analog no problem.

***********

Hi, Thanks!

OK, I will try it.

I am not clear why there is a regular tuner included, if the HD tuner will do both analog and HD??

Cheers,

Doug
post #3051 of 4900
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Originally Posted by nomorefours View Post

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Hi, Thanks!

OK, I will try it.

I am not clear why there is a regular tuner included, if the HD tuner will do both analog and HD??

Cheers,

Doug


Me neither!

One thing it would allow though, is listening to a different radio station in zone2, for instance, since you have two tuners.
post #3052 of 4900
My 5308 should be arriving next week. Few questions on control:

1. What functionality is there on the web page control?
2. Anybody using the Homeseer plug in?
3. Anybody using the rs 232 / RF Control?

Thanks

JJ
post #3053 of 4900
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Originally Posted by jjohanneson View Post

My 5308 should be arriving next week. Few questions on control:

1. What functionality is there on the web page control?
2. Anybody using the Homeseer plug in?
3. Anybody using the rs 232 / RF Control?

Thanks

JJ

1. Basically, all that you can do from the on-screen GUI, with the exception of some setup options, like turning on the two-way remote and setting up the network settings (that require the on-screen menus). The Net/USB control doesn't always refresh by itself. It sort of does it when if feels like it. You can force it to refresh, when necessary. Overall it's a nice "feature".

2. Not me.

3. After taking a kickass long time to figure out the Windows programming utility, which does not come with ANY instructions; it's not bad. Setting up the devices and buttons and learning additional keys is much less intuitive than your popular brand universal remotes (like Harmony). It also restricts you from reordering the the submenus (off of each device)- they're in fixed locations. The main reason I bought it was for the RF two-way function. It definitely is a nice feature to be able to dynamically see the display information on the remote, especially if you're out out sight of your TV (or if it's off) and the AVR's display panel. You sometimes get "out of range" messages when you really shouldn't and it does seem to chew through its 4-AAA batteries pretty quickly. It will definitely frustrate you from time-to-time, but if you have the patience to work with it and don't mind that it isn't completely configurable, give it a try. It's also somewhat pricey, but if you want the two-way functionality, it's the only way to go. I actually have two on them... one for the main zone, which stays put, and one for taking around for zones 2 and 3. Works for me!!
post #3054 of 4900
From interview with Denon employee Jeff Talmadge:

JT: The DVD-A1UDCI is the first Denon BD player from the ground up. And it's the first DVD player to be built in Japan by Denon in, oh man I'm going to say about six years.

Interviewier: So you're not sourcing the transport from anybody else.

JT: No. This is completely built by us, top to bottom. And we had that story in the very beginning of DVD. Like, if you're not part of the DVD moneymakers at the time Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, and those guys you had to source it and OEM. And we did that. We did it through Panasonic until we brought it in house. And we are still the only Japanese audio manufacturer now that has our own DVD, now, Blu-ray department, where we design, build everything.

Now, still, sometimes product that's not built in Japan and that's built in China I mean, obviously, we have a vendor that built it for us. But it's still our design and uses many of our parts that our custom for us.

So, Blu-ray we started last year. We used an OEM partner until we got our team up to speed. This is the first, and, actually, we'll have a couple more this year based on this particular model. But what Japan looked at is a product that is based upon our CX product.
post #3055 of 4900
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Originally Posted by nucky View Post

I bi amp my 2 front dali helicons 400 speakers with the denon. It controls them a lot better. just go to option set-up then amp assign then free assign hope this helps

Ok, maybe this is a stupid question, but I am a little confused on how the 5308 handles bi-amplification. I know the basics and was able to setup assign2 to provide the extra outputs for the L/R front speaker, but there is no indication on which pair of wires are attached to the high range and which pair to attach to the low range. I ran a test with both speakers hooked up to the left channel (one pair wired front to high and assign2 to low and the other pair reversed). I did not notice any difference. Doesn't bi-amplification require a high filter on one pair of wires and a low filter on the other?
post #3056 of 4900
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Originally Posted by AdamWL View Post

From interview with Denon employee Jeff Talmadge:

So, Blu-ray we started last year. We used an OEM partner until we got our team up to speed. This is the first, and, actually, we'll have a couple more this year based on this particular model. But what Japan looked at is a product that is based upon our CX product.

I guess we'll have to wait until CEDIA in September to see if this is true. I really would be interested in a new transport-only that would stream Blu-ray, DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, SACD, and CD.
post #3057 of 4900
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Originally Posted by LRS3 View Post

I guess we'll have to wait until CEDIA in September to see if this is true. I really would be interested in a new transport-only that would stream Blu-ray, DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, SACD, and CD.

It really does seem to make sense, especially since they've been giving away 2500BTCIs with the purchase of new 5308s and halved the price to everyone else. Seems to me that they're trying to clear out their inventory. Practically all of Denon's 2007 DVD players were "Universal" with SACD and DVD-A playback. I know I'm on hold for a new BD player until the 2500 is replaced. No way I'm spending $4,500 on the A1UDCI that has most of the same audio and video components that we already have in the 5308!
post #3058 of 4900
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Originally Posted by LRS3 View Post

I guess we'll have to wait until CEDIA in September to see if this is true. I really would be interested in a new transport-only that would stream Blu-ray, DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, SACD, and CD.

yes there will be 3 new denon players coming out all before the holidays this year
post #3059 of 4900
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Originally Posted by AdamWL View Post

1. Basically, all that you can do from the on-screen GUI, with the exception of some setup options, like turning on the two-way remote and setting up the network settings (that require the on-screen menus). The Net/USB control doesn't always refresh by itself. It sort of does it when if feels like it. You can force it to refresh, when necessary. Overall it's a nice "feature".

2. Not me.

3. After taking a kickass long time to figure out the Windows programming utility, which does not come with ANY instructions; it's not bad. Setting up the devices and buttons and learning additional keys is much less intuitive than your popular brand universal remotes (like Harmony). It also restricts you from reordering the the submenus (off of each device)- they're in fixed locations. The main reason I bought it was for the RF two-way function. It definitely is a nice feature to be able to dynamically see the display information on the remote, especially if you're out out sight of your TV (or if it's off) and the AVR's display panel. You sometimes get "out of range" messages when you really shouldn't and it does seem to chew through its 4-AAA batteries pretty quickly. It will definitely frustrate you from time-to-time, but if you have the patience to work with it and don't mind that it isn't completely configurable, give it a try. It's also somewhat pricey, but if you want the two-way functionality, it's the only way to go. I actually have two on them... one for the main zone, which stays put, and one for taking around for zones 2 and 3. Works for me!!

I was wondering if you had any trouble learning keys into the RC7000CI remote? I can only get a finite number of keys learned under the AMP submenu and it won't learn any more. I tried to learn in switching the AMP to HD Radio and it did not take. I tried it several times, using both the primary and secondary remotes that came with my AVR5308CI. I hope I don't have to send my remote in for repairs.
post #3060 of 4900
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Originally Posted by sonofsoren View Post

I was wondering if you had any trouble learning keys into the RC7000CI remote? I can only get a finite number of keys learned under the AMP submenu and it won't learn any more. I tried to learn in switching the AMP to HD Radio and it did not take. I tried it several times, using both the primary and secondary remotes that came with my AVR5308CI. I hope I don't have to send my remote in for repairs.

I don't think I attempted to learn keys under the AMP submenu. I've added numerous keys for third party devices and punched through volume on all devices. I've also added a few AVR keys within other device control menus. Didn't have any issues adding any of those learned commands, though if you hold the third party remote key down for too long, when capturing an I/R command, the Denon remote sometimes registers it as multiple button presses.
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