*Official* Denon 5308 Thread - Page 105

Hmmm, you've got me thinking...

I think your right since the DVD video is only going to the 141fd directly, via the HDMI sub output on the 09fd, then I guess the Realta chip is doing nothing.

I can switch inputs so th 09 video/audio on the "Main" HDMI output goes directly to the Denon.

If I do that, are my posted Denon settings correct to use the Realta chip?

thanks

Hope sombody can help,

I have a bose system that I am trying to run zone 2 from the Denon. I am running component video and optical audio from my zone 2 outputs. I am not getting any picture and no multi channel audio.

Any help?

If you are using HDMI for your zone 1 connections, the Denon will not 'downconvert' the signal to component video and optical audio for zone 2, AND does not have a HDMI zone 2 output. It drives me NUTS!!

You have to duplicate all your connections...ie HDMI AND component AND optical audio connections from the DVD player to the Denon, if you want the HD audio codecs playable in zone 1, and also want to be able to use zone 2. And, this will only work if your DVD player (or sat box, or whatever) will output audio and video signals in HDMI and component and optical simultaneously. Many devices, like the PS3, will not.

Your other option is to avoid HDMI altogether and just use component video and optical audio for everything, but then you cannot enjoy the HD audio codecs.

We can thank the mindless @#$%% 'Digital Rights Management' garbage for this, because they make it illegal to 'downconvert' HDMI to component, because once the HD signal is analog, it is theoretically easier to copy.

Hope that helps...

Hopy crap.. Yep that was very clear thank you. Pretty f'd up.

Checked 5308 latest upgrade - it was 8 min upgrade available.
Upgraded from 1.81 ver to 1.83.
Not sure what upgrades are.
Anybody?
Thanks
Yesss, just checked, I can choose 5ch stereo from remote again. It didn't work with few latest upgrades.

This update actually came out on 1/6/09. Sure would be nice if they added an auto-check option, so you wouldn't have to waste time checking for updates that aren't there... but that would make too much sense to implement. I guess we'll just have to keep shootin' in the dark. or read about it here...

Well, usually I follow the Firmaware tracking thread, but is still shows 1.81ver is current versrion. So , I just checked it out of curiosity and downloaded.

I have another question. Last time I changed FW i had to re-run Audissey, so after FW1.81 I saved all settings on my HTPC.
After 1.83 installed, it's needed Audissey calibration.
I tried lo load file I created before, it started but never finished.
The screen on HTPC said it will Power cycle after about 15min, but 5308 shut power off and "Loading" word appear for about hour or so and never finished.
I power cycled it with small button and run Audissey setup.

Did anybody tried load saved "config" file to 5308 succesfully?
Does this file has Audissey settings or it's just receiver settings for inputs/outputs/ and other?
Thanks

Here's a much better site for tracking firmware releases and related info: http://denon-firmware-tracking.wetpa...08+Change+Logs

I did not lose my Audyssey settings when upgrading from 1.81 to 1.83. Yes, the Audyssey profile is saved when you perform the web based "Save" function and will be restored when you "Load" the settings via a web browser. I have found that not all browsers appear to work with the "Save" or "Load" function. It drove my crazy, believing that my 5308 was not working for these functions. It turned out that it was the Safari web browser that wasn't allowing it to work. I used the Opera web browser and it worked like a charm. I didn't try any other browsers, but I wouldn't be surprised if some others don't work either.

I've been itching to get a new pair of headphones that will be best matched to the headphone power output of the 5308. I've been looking at headphones with impedances of 25Ω, 80Ω and 250Ω. I would have thought that with the headphone power output of an AVR, 250Ω would be were you'd want to at. However, Denon's own AH-D5000 and AH-D2000 have a 25Ω input impedance. Anyone have any further insight into this and what impedance would be best matched for this AVR or if it simply doesn't matter?

Interesting. I remember I tried to save about 3 times, it fails twice and finally saved. I use Google Chrome. May be next time will try Explorer. Or may be will not try. So far new SW fixed for me 2 issues: 5.1 channel choise back on my remote, 16Gb USB card now working from USB port. Didn't work on previous version. I know it's weird, but it's a fact.
Thanks

Somewhat confused here....If your BD source input resolution is set to "Auto", will the realta work it's magic on 480 DVD sources as long as the 5308 is set to output 1080p to the display? Does "auto" essentially mean "native"?

The 5308 will "automatically" upscale any source content which is not at your displays optimal resolution. If your display in 1080p, the 5308 will either upscale lower resolutions or passthrough 1080p/60 or 1080p/24 (if your TV is capable and the source is being provided as such). You can also now "force" 1080p/24 (if you so choose- and your TV supports it). The Realta will only work its magic if your source content is less than your optimal screen's resolution. This would mean that if you have a DVD or BD player that is capable of internally upscaling, you would need to defeat this function by setting your player to "source direct" or "passthrough". Not all players are capable of this and always upscale to whatever you chooose as your output resolution (TV screen's native resolution). Most of the more expensive models of players do offer the flexibility to bypass their internal upscaling.

"Auto" means output at your TV screen's "native" resolution.

Read it and weep, Onkyo has just recently released a 7.2 AVR with Dolby PLIIz "Height" surround sound processing-- for under $500! Obviously, you couldn't pry my 5308 out of the hands of my dead body... but, if Onkyo can release a seven channel AVR with PLIIz, there really is no reason Denon couldn't give us the same thing... without hardware modifications!

Onkyo is allowing you to use the surround back channel speakers interchangeably as the "height" speakers OR you can configure a single pair of Zone-2 speakers as the "height" speakers (keeping your surround back channels in place). This under $500 (street price) AVR has 6 HDMI inputs (5 rear/1 front) and 2-component video inputs for a total of 8 direct select HD-inputs. They nixed the S-video inputs and 7.1 multichannel analog inputs.

Here's the link... http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=...s=Receiver&p=i

Step-up Denon!

You're assuming that this process is a simple DSP re-program, which it isn't.

I have a feeling that Denon is focusing on the new Audyssey DSX 9.1 process, be the xx10 models will see both. .

What is this?
Audyssey DSX 9.1 process

Mike

Its a new surround post-processing system :

http://www.audyssey.com/technology/dsx.html

What i don't get it why its either 2 new fronts or 2 new height channels and
not both. Also why would someone use 2 wides instead of 2 backs seems that going 7.1 makes more sense then. I guess its all about giving more options. I assume the 5308 and avp will be able todo this since no new channels are needed just different processing as the 2 extra sides now. Does mean i need a extra POA is i still want to bridge the 3 fronts or in the new setup 5 fronts .

bridge the 5 fronts = 10 amps, 8 for the ones in the back then ill have 2 spare amps grrrr .

Wonder how this plays out and if they also provide Dolby Z that also allows the 2 height channels.

Daniel.

I'm sure its all about options and 11 channels would be out of hand for 99% of the setups, though I have seen pictures of Audyssey using all 11 (maybe they're saving it for the next one ). I'd be more interested in the 7.1 plus wide since I only have 8 foot ceilings and don't think height channels would help. I'm pretty sure if I ever get my 2 extra speakers set up and use the Denons A+B side, it would sound pretty close.

danielo -
Thanks for response on the new Audyssey processing.

Anyone -
Any idea when the xx10 models are going to come out?

Mike

Would appreciate some input:

I want to use my 5308 to fill in the back channels when I play regular 2 channel audio thru my preamp and the 5308 fills the role of the surround sound processor.

I have configured the 5308 to bypass the internal Front L/R and send front signals to the external amps in the audio system via my preamp uses HT bypass. That would be not an unusual configuration. I have used a signal out option to send a stereo signal from my preamp to the Denon and I have inputed that to the CD-In on the Denon.

Now, when I play 2 channel audio if I select the CD input on the Denon I can get a matrix (or whatever) signal outputted thru the Denon amps to my 7.1, less of course the fronts, which are powered by external amps direct from my preamp.

Question, how do I program CD input selected, such that I can turn off the centre channel and sub powered by the Denon every time I select CD In? It would seem to be an obvious thing to do, but I can't find any reference to that in the manual. Do I have to use Audyssey to do this?

Thanks for the feedback

Steve

Quick question, does anybody else notice that Audyssey sets the channel level for the center channel way low? After running Audyssey, it set my channel levels for the left and right speaker to -1.5, but set the center channel to -7.5, which I found to be way too low. I ended up increasing the centers channel level to -4.5.

Has anybody else experienced this issue?

Though the 5308 doesn't have 9-discreet amplifiers, PLIIz can be implemented as a 5.1 soundstage plus the front "height" speakers for a total of 7-amplifiers. Since the 5308 has a second set of surround B speakers (for surround presence or conversely used for bi-wiring the front main speakers), it should be possible to implement a DSP update to support PLIIz, which appears to be a reserved mode of PLIIx. Finally, if one really wished to have a full-blown 9-channel setup, there would be no reason that the pre-out "SR-B" and "SL-B" channels could not be connected to an external 2-channel amplifier for providing the "height" channels, while maintaining the 5308's 7-channel soundstage.

I really don't think that there would be a technical limitation here, other than a new feature to be added into a refreshed Denon flagship AVR. If they're going to give us a "Denon-Link 4" update, they could bill me for a PLIIz "Feature Update". I'd personally be interested in checking it out. The wall above my front left and right is bare and begging me for something to be hung up there. Besides, I need to do something with my 2-channel NAD amplifier that's been sitting in my closet after decommissioning my NEC analog Dolby Pro-Logic surround sound processor back in 1997!

Does anybody know what this is for? I am driving Pioneer Elite' s Plasma. 150FD and 110FD.

Thanks

Anybody using this function? What are you finding?

hi everyone..

i recently bought the denon 5308 pairing it with the denon 3800 blu-ray player.. my question.. how do i use the denon 5308 scaler bypassing the denon 3800 scaler.. i was told the scaler in the 5308 is far more superior than the 3800..

thanks to everyone for helping out.. much appreciated..

hello everyone..

how do i turn on the video scaler on the denon 5308 and not use the one on the denon 3800..

thanks and have a great day..

Your CD needs to be connected to your pre-amp for better sound that way the 5308 is not in the way.
However if you want to play the CD through the 5308 and get stereo only use the Direct/Pure Direct/Stereo modes.

Your connection should be:
5308 L/R out to pre-amp HT Bypass input
pre-amp out to amp input

I don't understand why you have the pre-amp going to the Denon, that does not make sense unless your pre-amp is a multi-channel pre-amp, but if that is the case it is weird, do you have external amps only for the front L/R?

To me it only makes sense to use a stereo preamp with the 5308.

I don't have the 3800 so don't know how you would configure it because it is tricky. Basically you'd have to set the 3800 to 480i for DVD but keep it to 1080p for Blu-Ray, that way the DVD is being scaled by the 5308 (in the 5308 input for the 3800 - say the DVD input - you need to set it to scale H to H as well). Reading from the 3800 manual I think you can only do that if you use the component video output to 480i and the HDMI set to 1080p. You need to have both cables connected. I would use the component video only to watch DVDs!

I emailed Denon to ask about DSX support in a 5308CI FW update...

QUESTION:
Will a firmware upgrade be available to allow my Denon 5308CI to use the new Audyssey DSQ processing?
What new receivers or pre/pro's will support it.
Per Audyssey receivers supporting it are expected this summer.

ANSWER:
It is unknown at this time if there will be a firmware update for the AVR-5308CI to allow Audyssey DSX.
As far as any new product we do not have any information at this time.

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I don't recall this information being posted before.
Anyone else with any other insights.

Mike

I think it's great, it really bring life to compressed audio.

So much for Denon customer service...
RE:
ANSWER:
It is unknown at this time if there will be a firmware update for the AVR-5308CI to allow Audyssey DSX.
As far as any new product we do not have any information at this time.

Now on AVS Home page...

Link
"The AVR-4310CI includes Audyssey's DSX processing for expanded front or width surround processing."
AVR-4310CI ($1,999)


Mike