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post #4441 of 4955
The first thing I would try would be to power down the unit. Then press the button to the right of the button with the red ring around it......

10 seconds later, press in the button again, and then power on the receiver......

This always seems to clear up any odd behavior I may be having.

Shelly

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post #4442 of 4955
Looks like alot 5308ci owner are going for the upgrade.two week backup. I can not get parts tell 11/22. Here is KC 8 people want the upgrade. With this upgrade this will give us the best receiver on the market for this week. I better for the cost.
post #4443 of 4955
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Keep in mind the 5308CI is currently Pro Installer ready using XT now even before the upgrade. The only difference is it would use the upgrade installed XT32 after the upgrade. Also as noted, the Audyssey Pro kit will cost an additional $750 if purchased separately rather than having a Pro Installer do the calibration which would likely cost about $350.

$750?

That is more than I spent, but maybe the price has gone up.

Mike
post #4444 of 4955
Oops! My math was off by $50.

$550 - kit
$150 - license
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$700
post #4445 of 4955
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Oops! My math was off by $50.

$550 - kit
$150 - license
-----
$700

Yes.
I had forgot about license.

Mike
post #4446 of 4955
The $1k upgrade price is a bit much considering the cost of this unit (although I love it and use it every day), however my biggest issue is that they aren't including Airplay support which they are doing in their lower end line of receivers (some models free of charge!!!).

I called in to support to ask them about this issue as I've been eagerly awaiting Airplay so I could stream some of the movies I work on to my home theater via my wireless network, and I was told that Denon has no plans to offer Airplay support for the 5308CI. If it wasn't for all of the other features and amazing picture/sound, I'd probably consider a different A/V Receiver at this point.

Sure, I could get AppleTV but it only support 720P. I need full 1080P so I can check my edits and coloring on my beautiful 60" Pioneer Elite plasma display.

Come on Denon. Think about the customers who spent the big money with you and support your company. Don't leave us hanging. We are the ones who deserve all the features without exception.
post #4447 of 4955
Quote:
Originally Posted by kittonian View Post

The $1k upgrade price is a bit much considering the cost of this unit (although I love it and use it every day), however my biggest issue is that they aren't including Airplay support which they are doing in their lower end line of receivers (some models free of charge!!!).

I called in to support to ask them about this issue as I've been eagerly awaiting Airplay so I could stream some of the movies I work on to my home theater via my wireless network, and I was told that Denon has no plans to offer Airplay support for the 5308CI. If it wasn't for all of the other features and amazing picture/sound, I'd probably consider a different A/V Receiver at this point.

Sure, I could get AppleTV but it only support 720P. I need full 1080P so I can check my edits and coloring on my beautiful 60" Pioneer Elite plasma display.

Come on Denon. Think about the customers who spent the big money with you and support your company. Don't leave us hanging. We are the ones who deserve all the features without exception.

AirPlay on the Denon AVR's don't stream video.

Regardless, it's not surprising that they can't offer it on a unit of this vintage.

IMO, you've been enjoying one of the best AVR's ever made for years. This type of upgrade is unmatched in this industry Not sure how much more you think you deserve.

Again, just my opinion, but XT32 alone is worth the price of admission.
post #4448 of 4955
Quote:
Originally Posted by kittonian View Post

Sure, I could get AppleTV but it only support 720P. I need full 1080P so I can check my edits and coloring on my beautiful 60" Pioneer Elite plasma display.

Apple hasn't released the "video" rights to any mfr featuring Airplay so the AppleTV is currently your best option until the newer version AppleTV 3,1 is released which is reported to display 1080p. Also note that on Denon AVRs, the installed Airplay "hijacks" the main zone when using Airplay in Zones 2 or 3 (ie. main zone must be ON and playing the same Airplay audio), whereas using the ATV allows Airplay to Zone 2 independent of the main zone source. For added functionality, the ATV really is a much better option than the installed Airplay.
post #4449 of 4955
Ahh, I had no idea that the full Airplay functionality wasn't present (audio and video streaming) in 3rd party Airplay integration. If that's the case then I couldn't care less about Airplay not being in this upgrade.

When you say a unit of this vintage I'm not sure what you mean. Mine is less than three years old (got it in June of 2009). That's pretty new for a unit of this caliber and they are still selling new ones.

So, what is the best way for me to be able to play full res 1080p files through this receiver? The Micca M-Play HD?
post #4450 of 4955
^^
Although it can still be purchased new, the 5308CI was first released just over 4 years ago ... so likely vintage in that sense.

No reco for the HD box, but I'd suggest reviewing the Micca reviews on Amazon as a few seem to indicate that 1080p video playback is spotty.
post #4451 of 4955
It is like a glass of fine and old wine. This unit is made to last for ever,It also like the very old wine cost a but load. I will get the upgrade and be set for a very long time. And my wife will only let me spend $4000 + once
post #4452 of 4955
I live in northern VA/DC area...

Any experiences or opinions that might help me decide?

Thanks,


post #4453 of 4955
Denon is reporting that new production of both the AVP-A1HDCI and AVR-5308CI will be discontinued shortly due to the parts availability and stock will be out by next year spring on both models.

The current upgrade package will still be available beyond next spring.
post #4454 of 4955
I hope that it doest mean that parts will be hard to find and cost more by this time next year.I also think by looking at new line of receivers.They think $5000 is a little on the high side.
post #4455 of 4955
^^
Yup. Denon has already acknowledged that going forward the 43XX series will be the new flagship models.
post #4456 of 4955
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Denon is reporting that new production of both the AVP-A1HDCI and AVR-5308CI will be discontinued shortly due to the parts availability and stock will be out by next year spring on both models.

The current upgrade package will still be available beyond next spring.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Yup. Denon has already acknowledged that going forward the 43XX series will be the new flagship models.

What is your source for this info?
post #4457 of 4955
I have been lurking on several threads and appreciate all the great information and discussion here. I have a AVR-4310
with Paradigm Phantom v2 (old but still decent)
speakers for fronts and 2-channel. Recently found some atoms and mini-monitors at a local dealer (v6) to supplement this room and also to use in another 5.1 room with my keyboards/DAW
piano and Sony XBR-4 40" LCD.
I have been agonizing over what AVR to buy for the for the 2nd 5.1 room (the 4310 handles the other 5.1 room).I have had some trouble with this unit like so many others....anyway bought a Marantz SR-7005 at a good price(same dealer) but have yet to unbox it. Why? I JUST CAN'T HELP IT ...I would love to pull the trigger on a 5308!!! Now with these rumblings about being discontinued,parts availability and the 43xx being the flagship in the future I'm more conflicted than ever.Would I be crazy to buy one of these beasts now?
They are hard to find and expensive...but hard to resist. I should probably be content with something like the 4311 or the 7005....considered an Anthem MRX-700 but no 7.1 analog in was a bit of a dealbreaker and the 900 is MIA. It feels like the manufacturers are abandoning the higher end. Any thoughts from 5308 owners and/or prospective late in the game buyers? Would refurbished be an OK way to try to go? Or should I be happy with the Marantz and upgrade later? My fear is what will be available to upgrade to in the coming years....if jd's Denon source is correct this feels like the end of an era.
Ironically a couple of days ago I got the nerve to post a question/comment on Denon USA's Facebook page and was replied to with a firm "no comment"...
post #4458 of 4955
^Hi. No, not crazy. But perhaps this is not the best bang-for-the-buck for your HT dollars. I recently went through that upgrade decision from my 4310. Here's my thoughts. Though I looked seriously at the attractive-looking7005, there's no way I'd buy a unit without MultEQXT32, which is a significant advance in DSP. In fact, MultEQXT32has just been named Stereophile Mag "Accessory of the Year 2011"! That Kal Rubinson and I think alike.

I had one other feature requirement for my new unit, that it be Audyssey Pro-ready. So I considered this venerable Denon flagship AVR. I also thought about the flagship pre/pro, but then I'd need to buy a couple more external amp channels to supplement my Emo XPA5 if I want to maintain my DSX wides. But I hesitated. In addition to the steep buy-in, there's the added hassle and expense of the upgrade to get XT32. And, as you are aware, these models are now being discontinued. And so, having invested that much into a discontinued model, I'd be unlikely to get much return on investment when I want to upgrade. After all, technology changes fast in HT!

So what to do? I considered the Onkyo pre/pro SC 5508 and new model -09 that reportedly have great SQ, as do the more expensive Integra sister models. Again I'd have to buy another ext amp as their AVRs are not Pro-ready. But for me, the greatest value turned out to be the Denon AVR4311, usually available new from authorized dealers for around $1.5K. I happened on a deal on the sister model Denon 100th Anniv version, the A100. The $ I saved I put towards an Audyssey Pro kit (these are really cool), a Denon-Link (another cool technology) BDP A100 universal/BRP and a second matching Velodyne DD10 sub to smooth out the bass. I'm very very happy with the HT makeover and SQ improvements.
post #4459 of 4955
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

What is your source for this info?

On the first item, a guy who works with Jeff Talmadge's (former Dir of Product Dev) new replacement (James Ludoviconi) and on the second item, Jeff himself.
post #4460 of 4955
Hai,

Just for you 5308 owners one user posted pictures of the upgrade boards, it contains 3 new dsp's, memory and other goodies. We posted some pictures and are taking it apart. Since the same upgrade is valid for you might want to follow it :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...06957&page=706

(thanks for beamer for posting).

Also this upgrade seems massive if i have the numbers/specs correct sounds weird to upgrade the horse power by almost 4x and then end these models. Sounds to me that the models will be replaced with these at its core. It might also make sense since the old dsp's 21160/n where first designed in 1999.

Daniel.

PS: jdsmoothie, please correct me if i am wrong
post #4461 of 4955
I'm enjoying this discussion immensely.

Got a question though...

I thought the reason we didn't get an 11 channel upgrade (stuck at 9) was that there wasn't enough processing power to handle it with DSX. Your comments are indicating massive processing upgrades.

Am I missing something?

GT
post #4462 of 4955
Quote:
Originally Posted by GGT View Post

I'm enjoying this discussion immensely.

Got a question though...

I thought the reason we didn't get an 11 channel upgrade (stuck at 9) was that there wasn't enough processing power to handle it with DSX. Your comments are indicating massive processing upgrades.

Am I missing something?

GT

Thats a very valid question that i didn't think about yesterday, Indeed forgot who but some people claimed that they didn't go for 12 channels where 11 where used in dsx mode because of cpu limitations but they stayed with 3 sub channels and the result is only 9 channels for dsx. My first guess is that maybe the limitation is in the 'routing' part that is probably handled in some fpga chip not inside one of the dsp's and that ran out of space ?.

Indeed the upgrade is turning out a little confusing i hope others have ideas or now with this information we can ask denon again what was the reason.

There is always the option they under clocked the new dsp's at 100Mhz instead of their normal 400Mhz but that doesn't make any sense to me since the chip is about 8 years newer it should probably use less power at 400Mhz then the old one at 100Mhz (and so less heat).

Daniel.
post #4463 of 4955
Has anyone got the new $999.99 update and is it worth it.
post #4464 of 4955
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

I have been lurking on several threads and appreciate all the great information and discussion here. I have a AVR-4310
with Paradigm Phantom v2 (old but still decent)
speakers for fronts and 2-channel. Recently found some atoms and mini-monitors at a local dealer (v6) to supplement this room and also to use in another 5.1 room with my keyboards/DAW
piano and Sony XBR-4 40" LCD.
I have been agonizing over what AVR to buy for the for the 2nd 5.1 room (the 4310 handles the other 5.1 room).I have had some trouble with this unit like so many others....anyway bought a Marantz SR-7005 at a good price(same dealer) but have yet to unbox it. Why? I JUST CAN'T HELP IT ...I would love to pull the trigger on a 5308!!! Now with these rumblings about being discontinued,parts availability and the 43xx being the flagship in the future I'm more conflicted than ever.Would I be crazy to buy one of these beasts now?
They are hard to find and expensive...but hard to resist. I should probably be content with something like the 4311 or the 7005....considered an Anthem MRX-700 but no 7.1 analog in was a bit of a dealbreaker and the 900 is MIA. It feels like the manufacturers are abandoning the higher end. Any thoughts from 5308 owners and/or prospective late in the game buyers? Would refurbished be an OK way to try to go? Or should I be happy with the Marantz and upgrade later? My fear is what will be available to upgrade to in the coming years....if jd's Denon source is correct this feels like the end of an era.
Ironically a couple of days ago I got the nerve to post a question/comment on Denon USA's Facebook page and was replied to with a firm "no comment"...

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^Hi. No, not crazy. But perhaps this is not the best bang-for-the-buck for your HT dollars. I recently went through that upgrade decision from my 4310. Here's my thoughts. Though I looked seriously at the attractive-looking7005, there's no way I'd buy a unit without MultEQXT32, which is a significant advance in DSP. In fact, MultEQXT32has just been named Stereophile Mag "Accessory of the Year 2011"! That Kal Rubinson and I think alike.

I had one other feature requirement for my new unit, that it be Audyssey Pro-ready. So I considered this venerable Denon flagship AVR. I also thought about the flagship pre/pro, but then I'd need to buy a couple more external amp channels to supplement my Emo XPA5 if I want to maintain my DSX wides. But I hesitated. In addition to the steep buy-in, there's the added hassle and expense of the upgrade to get XT32. And, as you are aware, these models are now being discontinued. And so, having invested that much into a discontinued model, I'd be unlikely to get much return on investment when I want to upgrade. After all, technology changes fast in HT!

So what to do? I considered the Onkyo pre/pro SC 5508 and new model -09 that reportedly have great SQ, as do the more expensive Integra sister models. Again I'd have to buy another ext amp as their AVRs are not Pro-ready. But for me, the greatest value turned out to be the Denon AVR4311, usually available new from authorized dealers for around $1.5K. I happened on a deal on the sister model Denon 100th Anniv version, the A100. The $ I saved I put towards an Audyssey Pro kit (these are really cool), a Denon-Link (another cool technology) BDP A100 universal/BRP and a second matching Velodyne DD10 sub to smooth out the bass. I'm very very happy with the HT makeover and SQ improvements.

Belated thanks Sound of Mind for your very helpful reply...I have decided not to pursue getting a 5308 even though I was very tempted.I pulled the trigger on both a 4311(in stock BB black Friday so-so deal) and the Marantz SR-7005(in stock independent local dealer good deal).In the process of A-B ing both units and trying to evaluate how they match with the v6 minis and atoms.Also brought home 2 demo Studio 20's v5 to try because of financial reality will probably have to stay within the monitor v6 series ( although I've considered using the 20's for front LR and minis for surrounds w/ CC-190 center).
Will post later in the SR-7005 and/or 4311 threads (also lurking on the Paradigm owners thread).Thanks again S of M I'm definitely leaning towards the 4311 but the 7005's SQ is pretty darn nice as well. Good luck to all 5308 owners who are upgrading.
AVS is a wonderful source of help and information...this new member greatly appreciates all of the discussion and experience many of you share!
post #4465 of 4955
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

...pulled the trigger on both a 4311(in stock BB black Friday so-so deal) and the Marantz SR-7005(in stock independent local dealer good deal).In the process of A-B ing both units and trying to evaluate how they match with the v6 minis and atoms...

You're very welcome, glad to be of any help. You have set up a very cool and rare opportunity there, having both units at once. It sounds like you'll be happily busy with all those equipment comparisons. For you, I imagine the bottom line in deciding Denon vs Marantz is to A/B the 7005 after MultEQXT autosetup vs 4311 (in preamp mode) after XT32 setup. If your amps have both RCA and XLR inputs with a switch on each channel like my XPA5, you can set up very easy switching for A?B comparisons by hooking up both amps and using an SPL to level-match. (XLRs don't improve SQ but have very different signal levels so you'd have to establish the MV difference). If not, and you simply switch the RCA preouts from each to the amps, autosetup will have done the level-matching for you. So you would just insure that MV was the same for each.

And if you have the time, it would be interesting while doing that A/B test to also switch each pre/pro to Direct mode (or just switch EQ to Audyssey OFF) and thus take Audyssey off the table. This will tell us if the Marantz Pre/pro preamp stage has any advantage over the Denon AVR preamp stage and if so, whether XT32 outweighs it. Excitedly awaiting your results...
post #4466 of 4955
I'm not using external amps S of M just using the AVR's amps. Hooking the speakers up back and forth between the two. Have yet to run Audyssey won't have time today unfortunately... by the way newbie question what does MV stand for? Thanks DB
post #4467 of 4955
MV= master volume
It is crucial when doing an A/B that the levels be matched. Otherwise, slightly louder sounds slightly better. Oh, don't use Audyssey DynamicEQ or DynamicVolume in any tests.

Sorry, I mistook that Marantz for their AV7005 which is a dedicated pre/pro. I'd never heard of the SR 7005. It's likely very similar to a Denon 3311.
post #4468 of 4955
MV=master volume
Duh...thanks!
See you later over in 4311 thread...considered going the pre/pro route with an AV-7005 and amp(s) but $ is a hindering factor at this point. The SR-7005 from my research IS very close to the Denon 3312 but also supposedly shares likeness as well to it's "relative" the AV-7005...
Edit: oops again I meant to post 3311 not 3312
post #4469 of 4955
I've just received my AVC-A1HD back from the upgrade. I only hooked it up and have not done the Auto setup (Audyssey MultiEQ XT32) yet.

The unit came back with a new mic for XT32, a CD-ROM (instruction manual), and a new packing box.

So far I found one bug: HDMI pass thru' on my STB is no longer working. I need to power on the amp to get the picture. Once I got the picture, I can power off the amp, and the HDMI pass thru' will work. Have not tested it with my 4010 to see if it is a general pass thru' bug or specific to certain HDMI devices.
post #4470 of 4955
^^
For clarification, the new mic, DM-A409 is not specifically for XT32, rather it is the mic used with all Denon AVRs (featuring any Audyssey version) starting with the XX09/X89 models. The HDMI pass through issue may only be a one time HDMI reset issue.
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