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post #4591 of 4900
4/4/12 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by fmalczewski View Post

Not really following what it is you're trying to do, but my setup with a 5910ci and a 5805mk2 receiver is that DenonLink3 does the sound and HDMI does the video. You shouldn't need to do any of that other stuff if your settings are geared toward that goal. (Make sure the 5910 is set to output DL3 and your 5803 has DenonLink set as its audio input and your HDMI as its video input (I don't know how that's done on a 5803.) I do switch all of my HDMI thru the 5805mk2 to a single HDMI hookup in my TV (and have my TV audio turned off, fwiw.)

You understand correctly - that's exactly what I'm trying to do. I have the 5910A hooked-up as you specify. The one difference is that you have a 5910ci and I have a 5910A (that actually still says 5910 on the front). I had read that only certain 5910A's had this problem. Unfortunately it seems like mine does. I'd say I should have waited a few more months to purchase but I've gotten 7 years of great use out of the 5910. This is the first bug. I'm going to try a processor reset tonight as well.

For me, the result of your setup, connected exactly the way you specify, is good video and audio that seems to be roughtly the center channel audio in the right speaker and the left channel being one of the other channels (it varries). Remove the HDMI and everything is correct. Disable DenonLink in the 5910 menu and the multichannel is great over HDMI (except no SACD).

I have a follow-up call to Denon this evening to discuss when I'm at home.
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post #4592 of 4900
4/4/12 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by alk3997 View Post

You understand correctly - that's exactly what I'm trying to do. I have the 5910A hooked-up as you specify. The one difference is that you have a 5910ci and I have a 5910A (that actually still says 5910 on the front). I had read that only certain 5910A's had this problem. Unfortunately it seems like mine does. I'd say I should have waited a few more months to purchase but I've gotten 7 years of great use out of the 5910. This is the first bug. I'm going to try a processor reset tonight as well.

For me, the result of your setup, connected exactly the way you specify, is good video and audio that seems to be roughtly the center channel audio in the right speaker and the left channel being one of the other channels (it varries). Remove the HDMI and everything is correct. Disable DenonLink in the 5910 menu and the multichannel is great over HDMI (except no SACD).

I have a follow-up call to Denon this evening to discuss when I'm at home.

A suggestions that may do nothing for you, but on the 5910 there is a HDMI Audio Setup setting for 2ch (downmix) that might be worth looking into. I think you have to temporarily disable DenonLink to change it though.

(I was using a regular 5910 for a while, and don't recall having any audio issues with it either (it had a June 2005 build date); maybe its firmware was more current at the time... It came with DenonLink3 already in place. Also, I've always run it with my TV speakers turned off and the receiver turned on.)
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post #4593 of 4900
4/4/12 at 8:39pm
I set the HDMI to 2-channel as you suggested and then re-enabled DenonLink. Unfortunately that didn't change anything.

I stumped the first person at Denon customer support, so he has moved it up to a senior specialist in this area.

I'm going to have to find that thread I saw about it being a manufacturing batch issue. I think it was in the AVSForum DVD section. I'll take a look on Thursday.

The good news is that the AVR-5308A seems clean. I finally finished connecting everything and so far, so good. My initial observations are that the sound in terms of flatness is very similar to my old AVR-5803A but the directionality of the sound is much better. I'm not sure exactly what is causing that, but I like it.

The worse thing was that the first audio I tried on the AVR-5308A was a DVD-Audio disc from the DVD-5910A. My wife saw my expression and mentioned I didn't look happy. I'm actually glad it turned out to be a DenonLink problem and not the audio quality of the 5308A!
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post #4594 of 4900
4/5/12 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by cdswindell View Post

I just upgraded my speakers on my 5308CI to a Thiel-based setup based on the CS2.4's as fronts, a MCS1 as the center, and 4 Higher Plane in-ceiling speakers. Not surprisingly, they sound just amazing.

That said, after performing Audyssey calibration, although the speaker levels sound perfect when I play the test tone and when listening to movies or multi-channel material, if I put the receiver into 7 channel stereo mode, the side and back channels sound significantly louder than the front channels. Is there a way to adjust the speaker levels when in 7 channel mode while still preserving my Audyssey calibration? I guess I could always turn off Audyssey equalization when I want to listen to 7 channel stereo, but I wanted to check with this group to see if there is a better way or if I'm missing something.

Thanks,

-- Dave

Way back when this was first asked, I never saw a response. Does anyone have thoughts on what might me happening in this situation. I have always noticed the same. In fact I was thinking of asking does anyone know what each speaker is playing in this mode. I have a right and left front plus center and then a right and left surround and a rear speaker. How does Denon split up the music? And any ideals as to why there is such a difference in sound volume?
Manny
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post #4595 of 4900
4/5/12 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by drmanny3 View Post

Way back when this was first asked, I never saw a response. Does anyone have thoughts on what might me happening in this situation. I have always noticed the same. In fact I was thinking of asking does anyone know what each speaker is playing in this mode. I have a right and left front plus center and then a right and left surround and a rear speaker. How does Denon split up the music? And any ideals as to why there is such a difference in sound volume?
Manny

If Dynamic EQ is engaged, this would explain the louder surrounds.
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post #4596 of 4900
4/5/12 at 12:19pm
^ Hi. If what you are listening in is Multich Stereo, it is not surprising you find it not balanced to your liking. It is a bizarre mode, sending equal level signals to all speakers. I prefer listening in native format (Stereo in Stereo) but if my wife wants a more encompassing, simulated surrround experience from a stereo recording I use Neo:6 music. It has less CC and less surrounds than the alternative Dolby PLII music.

I agree with Sam, DEQ boosts surrounds as well.
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post #4597 of 4900
4/5/12 at 1:23pm
What I am listening to is either a network channel like ZEN which is broadcast as 2 channel or I might listen to a Direct TV music channel (again it is broadcast in 2 channels) So in this situation if I want a surround sound I always put the system into 7 Channel. However, I have noticed that the surrounds are much louder. So I did try and turn off both the Dynamic EQ as well as the Dynamic Volume. That did seem to reduce the surrounds. Why is this? Was this system developed before Dynamic EQ and Volume?
Manny
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post #4598 of 4900
4/5/12 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by drmanny3 View Post

That did seem to reduce the surrounds. Why is this? Was this system developed before Dynamic EQ and Volume?
Manny

7 Channel Stereo (and 5 ch stereo before it) have been used by Denon for 15 years.

Dynamic EQ will raise the volume of surround speakers (as well as change the EQ of all speakers) at lower volumes to compensate for how your ear works at lower volumes.

Dynamic Volume is not really related to what you are experiencing, although the name implies that it is.
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post #4599 of 4900
4/5/12 at 5:23pm
So is this the consensus then that 7 Channel Stereo without using Aud Dynamic EQ is as it was in the beginning? I am playing the speakers at about 72 db so they are not real low in volume.
Manny
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post #4600 of 4900
4/7/12 at 4:12pm
Had Scan Audio in Van Nuys, CA do the upgrade. Got back in a day and it came with disc for manual and new Audessy mic. Can't tell you what if anything was done, but I no longer have pass thru for anything. I.e. I have my remote programmed to turn on sat receiver/blu ray etc, turn on Denon, select source, then turn off Denon so my kids can watch on the plasma when screen not down. Worked before upgrade not now. I don't recall having to set this up when first bought receiver, so is this now gone or a set up required? Cannot find in manual. Or could be install mistake?
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post #4601 of 4900
4/7/12 at 4:40pm
Is Hdmi control set to ON?
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post #4602 of 4900
4/7/12 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by shrimpman View Post

Had Scan Audio in Van Nuys, CA do the upgrade. Got back in a day and it came with disc for manual and new Audessy mic. Can't tell you what if anything was done, but I no longer have pass thru for anything. I.e. I have my remote programmed to turn on sat receiver/blu ray etc, turn on Denon, select source, then turn off Denon so my kids can watch on the plasma when screen not down. Worked before upgrade not now. I don't recall having to set this up when first bought receiver, so is this now gone or a set up required? Cannot find in manual. Or could be install mistake?

Hope I understand this correctly, but you do understand that the upgrade re-set all the internal settings you may have set up ? In other words, you need to go back in and reassign the HDMI or component inputs, etc for each source. Took me a while to re-set all my sources as I hadn't written down which HDMI was assigned to which.

This would definitely be something you would have had to set up when you first set up the receiver as well.

Had mine done In Toronto a week ago while I was away and so far I'm very pleased with the new Audyssey.
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post #4603 of 4900
4/7/12 at 6:29pm
As I said I don't recall if there wsa any set up beyond Audessy when new. All inputs are as before, sat to sat, bd to bd, etc. Didn't know if there was need to do anything else. It all works as before except that when receiver off, doesn't pass thru the video that was selected before turned off.

EDIT: Set HDMI control to on, problem solved. Did the Audessy set up too. All's good. Don't notice any difference but hopefully after audio calibration next month I will be even happier!

Thanks all!
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post #4604 of 4900
4/7/12 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by shrimpman View Post

As I said I don't recall if there wsa any set up beyond Audessy when new. All inputs are as before, sat to sat, bd to bd, etc. Didn't know if there was need to do anything else. It all works as before except that when receiver off, doesn't pass thru the video that was selected before turned off.

That's the part I didn't pick up on- I didn't know when you referred to pass-through you meant when the receiver was off. Never tried that myself.
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post #4605 of 4900
4/8/12 at 6:18am
Hi guys, i have the euro version a1hda, and have run into a snag thats driving me nuts.

Firstly +- a year ago i had no problems with getting the good old True HD or MA lights on from my "skinny" ps3. i work out the country and have moved place since then. Now in new place reset everything up and while at it decided to do firmware updates on everything, (Ps3 and A1HDA) however since the updates i cannot for the life of me get the TrueHD or MA lights working anymore???

I have gone thru settings tried googling if anyone else experienced this after a firmware update and cannot find a thing. Have tried different HDMI cable in case but still no luck. When i got to check the audio signal to be set on the ps3 to bitstream the audio, my options for DTS HD and Master Audio are both greyed out and i cannot select them on the ps3 settings menu to be able to send the signal. I can only think this is because the Denon is not talking to the ps3 telling it it can decode these 2 formats.

Anyone else experienced this or come across it anywhere? As i say everything was great a year ago, but never really used the system over the last year and now set everything up and updated new firmwares from the last one in use back then, so i dont know how many firmware updates i have jumped or skipped to the current one, and not sure if the firmware is actually to blame?

Any help appreciated,
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post #4606 of 4900
4/8/12 at 6:40am
^^
You likely just need to reset the PS3 while connected to the A1HD ... power on the PS3 by pressing/holding the PS3 power button for longer than usual until you hear a series of beeps (~10 seconds).

Also note, that this is the 5308 thread ... there is a dedicated thread for AVP/A1HD owners ---> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1006957
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post #4607 of 4900
4/8/12 at 6:47am
[quote=jdsmoothie;21881657]^^
You likely just need to reset the PS3 while connected to the A1HD ... power on the PS3 by pressing/holding the PS3 power button for longer than usual until you hear a series of beeps (~10 seconds).

Also note, that this is the 5308 thread ... there is a dedicated thread for AVP/A1HD owners.

Many thanks for the prompt response, I shall certainly give that a go.

Apologies for using wrong thread.
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post #4608 of 4900
4/8/12 at 7:05am
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No worries .. just trying to get you with your fellow A1HD owners.
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post #4609 of 4900
4/17/12 at 1:52am
Hi JD,

Just wanted to report back to you, yes you were quite right, all the ps3 needed was a reset! ... So chuffed, thanks mate.
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post #4610 of 4900
4/17/12 at 2:04am
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Great! Glad to hear you're good to go!
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post #4611 of 4900
4/20/12 at 12:17pm
Hmm, I the have the CDT-2800-C (surround back speakers) connected to the "Surr Back" connection; so these should be connected to " SurrBack/Amp Assign " Will finally be finishing the setup next week, just waiting for the tv.
Thanks
(and should i upgrade, is it notable difference..in sound quality)
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Skip the "bi-wire" connection as it will add no additional benefit. The CDT-2800-C surround back speakers would be connected to the SurrBack/Amp Assign speaker posts when you get them. Note also that only "analog" and PCM 2.0 via optical/digital coax connected sources will pass to Zone 2.

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Originally Posted by wildzx View Post

thanks for the answer regarding the new 5308ci with upgrade...Anyways, i have the 5308ci for about year (not upgraded), rarely used and finally ready to be hooked up and need help first on speaker connections:
My setup:
Denon 5308ci
Main Room Speakers:
Front Speakers - Dali MK 800
Subwoofer - 2 x Emotiva 12" Ultra 12
Center - Looking to buy the Pardigm cc690
Surround - klipsch CDT-2800-C Celing
Surround Back - Klipsch CDT-2800-C

Zone 2 Speakers
have 10 pair of speakers connected to Audio Plex MS speaker selector.

Source - Apple TV2 connected to NAS and DVD player

Now, Please help with best wiring solution, i been looking over the manual and it talks much about bi-wiring, as well (the only speakers i am able to bi-wire are the fronts and center....i have the b-wire speaker wire, so i don't need to buy it)
I have connected the all the 10 pair of speakers to the speaker selector and from there to the AMP ASSIGN 2 and got the all the zone 2 speakers working (with help from Home A/V Distribution forum).
So, i will be using "zone 2" speakers mainly for music listening but main room with the 7.1 setup is the main focus and want to make sure i do it right.
I have connected all the speakers according to the speaker connections, the only connections i have not used is the SURR-B/AMP ASSIGN (oh, and the center which i don't have, yet).
Now, do i need to bi-wire the front speakers and the center? And since, i don't have the Surr-b, i don't need to use that connections (SURR-B/AMP ASSIGN) and/or can i utilize it for something else (bridge it to other speakers; if so how?)....any other recommendations i should follow with my setup?
thank you Mac
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post #4612 of 4900
4/20/12 at 1:11pm
^^
The 5308 and AVP owners who have upgraded have all pretty much agreed the upgrade provided a noticeable increase in audio fidelity and was money well spent to prolong the life of their AVR. I'm sure they'll jump in to comment ....
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post #4613 of 4900
4/21/12 at 7:33am
I have the older 5308ci that came out in 2008. I had the upgrade you can here the sound quality it is great. I am running 7.1 and thinking about going to 9.1. With this upgrade do you think I have the new 9.3 model.
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post #4614 of 4900
4/21/12 at 11:33am
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Yes. The 3D Upgrade includes the features upgraded with the previous (A) upgrade.
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post #4615 of 4900
4/22/12 at 3:02pm
Setting up my rarely used Denon 5308 but have question on the Surround Back speakers connections. Which speaker terminal connections should be used to connect the Surround Back speakers: "Surround Back" or "Surr-B/Amp Assign"? (have a 7.1 / 7.2 setup). I have the surround side connected to Surr-A? Both pairs are ceiling speakers
My setup:
Denon 5308ci (not upgraded, yet but might this week)
Main Room Speakers:
Front Speakers - Dali MK 800
Subwoofer - 2 x Emotiva 12" Ultra 12
Center - Pardigm cc690
Surround - klipsch CDT-2800-C Celing
Surround Back - Klipsch CDT-2800-C


Zone 2 Speakers
I have 10 pair of speakers connected to Audio Plex MS speaker selector and this connected to the "Amp Assign 2" speaker terminal on the Denon receiver? (is this correct for zone 2).

Source: Computer with XBMC installed connecting to 5308ci via hdmi and then to plasma tv.
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post #4616 of 4900
4/22/12 at 3:20pm
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"Surr Back" as the "Surr-B/Amp Assign" is for a 2nd set of "side" surround speakers. And yes, the "Amp Assign 2" is correct for Zone 2.
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post #4617 of 4900
4/22/12 at 3:30pm
Ok, thanks. I post this few months back and that time you suggested Surr-B/Amp Assign, so just want to make sure. And the Surround Side should be on Surr-A correct?

Also, once i get the upgrade, will Audyssey setup handle all the major settings for the receiver? Or is the specific steps i should follow to get all the settings setup correctly?

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie
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Skip the "bi-wire" connection as it will add no additional benefit. The CDT-2800-C surround back speakers would be connected to the SurrBack/Amp Assign speaker posts when you get them. Note also that only "analog" and PCM 2.0 via optical/digital coax connected sources will pass to Zone 2.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
"Surr Back" as the "Surr-B/Amp Assign" is for a 2nd set of "side" surround speakers. And yes, the "Amp Assign 2" is correct for Zone 2.
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post #4618 of 4900
4/22/12 at 3:37pm
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Actually no .. look closer and you'll note I said "Surr Back" not "Surr-B" (although I did add "/Amp Assign" in error as that is what the lower level models use "Surr Back/Amp Assign"). And yes, Audyssey will EQ and properly setup each of your speakers (not including the Zone speakers).
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post #4619 of 4900
4/23/12 at 12:00pm
Any recommendations on a dealer to get the upgrade done, in San Francisco Bay Area (100 miles radius). thanks
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post #4620 of 4900
4/23/12 at 12:20pm
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No, but you might want to ask in the AVP thread if you don't get any responses here as a few owners have had less than a stellar experience with their installation. Call the facility you are considering and ask how much (if any) experience they have with doing the upgrade as well as whether they have any kits on hand as it may take a few weeks to order so better to wait until the kit is on hand before dropping the unit off (although you'll likely still have to pay the full fee to order the kit).
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