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Anyone order from RYTHER CAMERA

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Anyone order from RYTHER CAMERA

Nope. But I wouldn't since they aren't on Denon's Authorized Dealer list.

Give AV Science a call if you want a new receiver or Accessories4less if you are looking for a refurb. You can go on Denon's website and do a Dealer Search to find dealers in your area. Most will discount 25% off list especially if you buy a couple of components or a component + speaker package. Anything over $1500 I buy locally or at least within a reasonable driving distance.
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Thank you (jevans64) on the heads up on AV Science.smile.gif
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Manny: I wasn't upset -- my main concern was the possibility of future repairs and Denon not able to find parts for the AVR-5308CI(A). I had owned Denon Receivers since the year 2000 and never had an issue of any kind. It took Denon two months to find an HDMI video board that failed after the XT32/3D upgrade was installed; and yes I realize the receiver was 5 years old and out of production. Before upgrading the Denon, I had debated whether to sell the Denon and go for the Marantz Pre/Pro. After the part issue, the decision was more clear to me.

I am enjoying the Marantz Pre/Pro/Amp combination, and haven't had enough listening time before coming to any conclusions between the Denon AVR and Marantz. So far, the video upscaling is a "wash" between the two video scalers. For me, wireless wasn't an issue since I have a wired FE switch to my AV rack, and the Marantz also has a built in FE switch.

Thanks to all who gave me encouragement, and patience during my two month AVR absence.

Dave

Not sure what happened and i do agree it would be nice of D&M to commit to timeframe in which they support products after they have been taken out of production. Like any big brand i am sure they do have a internal rule for this (spare parts) but its not clearly communicated.

I was worried myself since my AVP broke down and it turned out to be the digital board it also started after the 3d update (not sure if its related) but my repair shop was able to confirm a replacement was possible within 1 day and shipping (i assume from japan) would take a little over a week. I hope the repair place has the part next week and ill be reunited with my AVP soon after that.

But i agree not knowing if something can be repaired that has so much value (AVP even more) is scary and D&M could be more open about this. For example most car makers have a 10 year after stop of production rule and since they now have the same dependencies on external chips/parts they have a plan for this smile.gif.

Daniel.
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How do I tell if a new in the box 5308CI listed for sale on EBAY is the upgraded version?

Cheers,

Larry
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How do I tell if a new in the box 5308CI listed for sale on EBAY is the upgraded version?

Cheers,

Larry

ask the seller?
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Originally Posted by ROSSO Z View Post

How do I tell if a new in the box 5308CI listed for sale on EBAY is the upgraded version?

Cheers,

Larry

Most likely it hasn't been upgraded if it is NIB. Denon refused to produce an upgraded version and folks that bought their 5308ci NIB had to turn around and send them off to get upgraded.

At this stage in the game you might be better off picking up a 4520ci plus a 5-channel amp if you need the extra power. It would certainly be cheaper than the $3500 eBay auction.
Edited by jevans64 - 4/22/13 at 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by ROSSO Z View Post

How do I tell if a new in the box 5308CI listed for sale on EBAY is the upgraded version?

Cheers,

Larry

If it had been upgraded, the seller would be advertising 3D/XT32 which is not the case. And if you are considering the $1100 upgrade, check around first to see if an installation facility can get a hold of an upgrade kit as they are pretty much all gone at this point. As suggested above, your best bet is to consider the 4520CI or Marantz 8801 instead as both are 3D/XT32 out of the box.
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I listed my Denon 5308ci and put it was a up grade, but it was used. Now all I have to do is get the guy to pay. He has 100% positive rating. check him out and has 4 native for not paying how do you get 100%positve
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I listed my Denon 5308ci and put it was a up grade, but it was used. Now all I have to do is get the guy to pay. He has 100% positive rating. check him out and has 4 native for not paying how do you get 100%positve
mad.gif

I'm pretty sure I don't have to tell you this, but don't send the receiver until you get the money. A couple of years ago eBay changed their feedback policy. I think they only count negative feedback going back a year. Anything that happened before then should be in the detailed feedback page but won't be reflected on the feedback percentage. I think eBay requires up to two weeks before they consider a won auction non-payment. If you didn't request instant payment through PayPal, then it could take a couple weeks for the guy to get the invoice and send payment. Considering the guy has a habit of stiffing sellers he is probably one of those folks that believe the eBay auction is non-binding. eBay should be closing accounts/banning IPs and charging a penalty for folks that bid and do not pay.

Only thing you can do is go through eBay's resolution process, which takes about two months, and re-list the item. eBay should give you back the fees on the first auction if you sell it the 2nd time.
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Thank you for the advice still have it sitting here in no way will I send it tell get payment. Also these complaints are all 2012-2013.What I will do if I do not get payment by this time tomorrow I will file and ask e-bay how this guy is still on your site. I may just pull the unit off and not sell it I only had one bid anyway. Ebay will also lose out $250.00 in selling fees. Once again thank you.
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Thank you for the advice still have it sitting here in no way will I send it tell get payment. Also these complaints are all 2012-2013.What I will do if I do not get payment by this time tomorrow I will file and ask e-bay how this guy is still on your site. I may just pull the unit off and not sell it I only had one bid anyway. Ebay will also lose out $250.00 in selling fees. Once again thank you.

eBay is going to tell you to contact the buyer first. I've been there, done that. eBay doesn't care whether the auctions are actually completed or not. You'll get charged for the seller fees immediately and is payable whenever your billing cycle is due -- whether you actually get your money or not. eBay will tie up the process for two months. There are no guarantees you will get your seller fees back. Ebay will tell you to re-list the item and you'll get a credit for the 1st auction IF you sell it the 2nd time. If it doesn't sell the second time, you will be out BOTH seller fees. You may get your seller fee back if you decide not to re-list it but expect a battle and you agreed to arbitration when you signed up, so you can't sue them either. It has been my experience that, at any rate, you will only be refunded the Final Value Fee. The Insertion Fee is non-refundable but that is usually no more than $5 if you add a lot of extra options.

I've stopped selling on eBay because of how they treat their sellers.
Edited by jevans64 - 4/23/13 at 8:40pm
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I have sent him e_mail twice and his e-bay account twice. Not one word hope he is out of town. Going back and looking at some of sellers he bought from same thing no response from him and did not pay.rolleyes.gif
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I have sent him e_mail twice and his e-bay account twice. Not one word hope he is out of town. Going back and looking at some of sellers he bought from same thing no response from him and did not pay.rolleyes.gif

I've actually done that before -- contacted previous sellers/buyers from folks that have stiffed me on payments. Doesn't really do any good besides confirm that you wound up with a non-payer. I did look at eBay's policy and it looks like they have hanged it a bit. Used to be you had to wait 14 days to file a complaint but they changed it to between two and 30 days. I usually sell on AudiogoN or Craigslist. Takes longer to sell, but I prefer selling local for heavy items.
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With a much better quality mic as the stock mic has a +/-2db error rate while the Pro kit mic has a +/-0.5 db error rate. smile.gif

The Audyssey Pro kit arrived and I had some quiet time to calibrate the system last night. Sure enough that fixed the high frequency problem and much more. It was amazing to hear how much room reflection had been eliminated.

I certainly could localize sounds better than before. Since some of what I listened to were mixes I had made it was enjoyable to hear an instrument placed where I intended it to be. The consumer Audyssey was a step up but this is another step. Obviously I'm really pleased.

The only issue I have to track down is that Audyssey reports that my sub is out of phase. I'll have to startup the sub's calibration software to see what phase the sub is using. Then rerun that and rerun the Audyssey software. I suspect this will be an interative process. But, well worth it!

BTW, I used the default curve for matching and 9 measuring points. So I wasn't even agressive with the high frenquency roll off and it still fixed the earlier problem. The other items I noted were that with the consumer version I'd still have to tweak the trim levels after Audyssey with a sound pressure meter. With the Pro version they were spot-on - no tweak required.
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I listed my Denon 5308ci and put it was a up grade, but it was used. Now all I have to do is get the guy to pay. He has 100% positive rating. check him out and has 4 native for not paying how do you get 100%positve
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Because sellers are afraid of getting into a "ratings war" with the buyer. The seller gives a bad mark and then the buyer gives the seller a bad mark even though the seller did nothing wrong.

The eBay system favors the buyer. I sold a camera on eBay that ended up costing me more money than it was worth. So, I've given up on eBay for selling. Not worth the hassle.
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You are wright on, not only did I file on him for not paying I called e-bay. I let them know that this person has done this many times before.: mad.gif. I even gave them transaction numbers for the last two years. It was like they do not care all she said was to block him. This person should not buy or sell on ebay.
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Man I hate to say this but my wife made since . when that clown did not pay for the Denon 5308ci with the upgrade with a great price so be it. I was looking at the Denon4520,I will Just keep the 5308. Other :Dthan being a little older 5308 is better unit and is built like a tank and does more than the 4520ci and cost hell a lot more.biggrin.gif
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Wouldn't trade my 5308 for anything that is out there now...particularly now with the Audyssey Pro tune-up. Just truly amazed at how good the 5308A with 3D mod sounds.

So I think you made a wise choice.

BTW, the Audyssey Pro software refers to our version of the AVR-5308ACI as the "5308aci with 3D". Doesn't cover the entire upgrade but it is a simple way to show the upgraded unit (since there were a few 5308 upgrades).
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I have had the upgrade done do I have the Audyssey pro on my unit
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Yes and no. You have the capability to perform MultiEQ XT32 processing, which you use with the consumer microphone. The Pro part involves hooking up a calibrated microphone and specialty software to the 5308A w/ 3D and letting that software crunch out the numbers in addition to just the 5308A. Much smoother sound to my ears.

Here's more from the FAQ:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1346723/the-audyssey-pro-installer-kit-thread-faq-in-post-1/3030#user_a4
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Were do you get this pro kit
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Were do you get this pro kit

This is the link that is in the FAQ.

http://www.shop.perfecthometheater.com/Audyssey-MultEQ-Pro-Calibration-Kit-Audyssey-Kit.htm

There is also contact information from someone at Audyssey in that FAQ as well. Kit plus license usually costs around $700. I'm still deciding whether I want one or not but I don't think there is anything that can help my room. Maybe if/when I build a dedicated room.

As far as the upgraded 5308ci vs. a 4520ci. You are only missing the HDMI 1.4 stuff, like Ethernet over HDMI and ARC, neither of which matter if everything is going into the Denon. The 5308ci will only do 9.3 vs. 11.2 for the 4520ci. No 4K passthrough or upconvert as well. I don't have room for Wide speakers and I don't care about 4K.

The 5308ci will trump the 4520ci in build quality, audio quality, power, and maybe even video quality. The power would be less of a concern if there is already an external amp in the mix.

The only thing that makes me consider selling my upgraded 5308ci is the fear that it could die on me with no replacement parts available to fix it.
Edited by jevans64 - 4/27/13 at 2:01am
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As far as the upgraded 5308ci vs. a 4520ci. You are only missing the HDMI 1.4 stuff, like Ethernet over HDMI and ARC, neither of which matter if everything is going into the Denon. The 5308ci will only do 9.3 vs. 11.2 for the 4520ci. No 4K passthrough or upconvert as well. I don't have room for Wide speakers and I don't care about 4K.

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One thing you mentioned is incorrect. Remember items you see listed for HDMI 1.4 (and 1.4a, 1.4b) are a series optional capabilities. So everything that mentions HDMI 1.4 doesn't necessarily have *all* of 1.4.

The entire industry seems to have passed on Ethernet over HDMI. I know of no components that include HDMI over Ethernet probably because the HDMI chipset manufacturer passed over the capability. Denon really doesn't directly choose how HDMI is implemented. Instead Denon chooses which HDMI chipset to use. The manufacturer of the chipset choses what to include. For passthru stuff, they might be able to tweak firmware, but the chipset really is needed for capabilities. HDMI over Ethernet is a non-starter since adding the bi-directional Ethernet packets to the HDMI stream seems to be a very complex operation from what I've heard.

So, the 4520CI has the following 1.4a-related capabilities over the 5308ACI w/3D: ARC and 4K. Not much unless you really want ARC or 4K. BTW, the 4520 also has the newest DenonLink (DL Lite), which I believe is a neutered step backwards from the older DenonLink in the 5308ACI, which has full DenonLink capabilities.

The use of optional capabilities is also a reason why the HDMI Org is forcing manufacturers to list capabilities and not revision numbers for HDMI anymore.
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Wow ,thank you , thank you, low life on e-bay. After going back and forth to sell or not to sell my 5308ci with upgrade. I made a very stupid move I put it on e-bay. So as every day that went by I just check out all receivers on the market also the Denon 4520ci and I thought man this was a stupid move in no way could I do better. The only reason that I was going to sell I saw some a the post about not being able to get parts. So back to the low life, he placed a bid for the Denon and he did not pay. After going threw some of his buys I found six sellers not happy mad.gif He has a history of not paying and he will not respond at all. I guess if you already know that you are a low life why respond.: biggrin.gif So thank you LOW LIFE.tongue.gif:p:p
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My experience with electronics has been if they work they generally will work for a long time. Getting past the first 90 days is critical as the latent defects tend to show up. Once past that unless you do something to the unit there should be no problems unless a problematic part fails due to wear. In most of my experience things went south when I shipped something or opened the unit up and messed with it. The vibration and rough handling takes it toll. I suspect that for those who experienced failures following the upgrade that they may have been a victim of improper handling. Perhaps the tech did not wear EMD (Electromotive Discharge) protection. It is very easy to have an IC damaged with EMD where you don't hear it or certainly don't see it. Much lower voltage then you and I experience grabbing a door knob or car door and getting a shock. So I fully expect if your unit is working and you don't let it get eaten up by a surge that 5 years from now it will still sound great. I use ours 10 hours everyday we are home.
Manny
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Originally Posted by ROSSO Z View Post

The fronts were set to large. I set the fronts and rears to small and set the sw cross over to 80. I'll report back how that works out.

Thank you very much.

Larry

JDSmoothie,

Thanks for the sub help, problem solved. Now on to the next question. I seem to get very little output from my Paradigm Studio 100 front speakers other than the tweeter, which works well.

Is that normal? My center speaker seems to do most of the work.

Any ideas?
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Originally Posted by ROSSO Z View Post

JDSmoothie,

Thanks for the sub help, problem solved. Now on to the next question. I seem to get very little output from my Paradigm Studio 100 front speakers other than the tweeter, which works well.

Is that normal? My center speaker seems to do most of the work.

Any ideas?

Some of your answer will depend upon what source you are using. For instance, if it's mostly a talk show, then the audio engineer (or remixer) could elect to send all dialog to the center channel and any theme music to the side channels. So most of the time, the center would be doing the work. I've noticed a few mono programs that send everything to the center but then the commercials come out the side fronts.

The second part of your answer will depend upon what crossover frequencies you are using. The higher the crossover frequencies, the more bass frequencies are going to your sub.

The third part of your answer will depend upon your speaker and how it is wired. Make sure if the speaker has a bi-amp option, that you aren't using, that both red connections have a connection together and both black connections are tied together. If this isn't done then only the tweeter will be used or only the woofer will be used.

I can't think of a fourth part, so that's all I've got.
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^^
Pretty well covered so no need for a 4th part. smile.gif
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Some of your answer will depend upon what source you are using. For instance, if it's mostly a talk show, then the audio engineer (or remixer) could elect to send all dialog to the center channel and any theme music to the side channels. So most of the time, the center would be doing the work. I've noticed a few mono programs that send everything to the center but then the commercials come out the side fronts.

The second part of your answer will depend upon what crossover frequencies you are using. The higher the crossover frequencies, the more bass frequencies are going to your sub.

The third part of your answer will depend upon your speaker and how it is wired. Make sure if the speaker has a bi-amp option, that you aren't using, that both red connections have a connection together and both black connections are tied together. If this isn't done then only the tweeter will be used or only the woofer will be used.

I can't think of a fourth part, so that's all I've got.

Alk... and JDS... Thanks to both of you.

I will check out my crossovers and report back. I think my studio 100's are bi-amped- 2 sets of contacts, with 2 sets of cables from the 5308 and the reds are not connected to each other nor are the blacks. Are you saying this is not the ideal setup?

Thanks again.
Edited by ROSSO Z - 5/4/13 at 11:31am
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