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post #4921 of 4955
Heh .. heh .. let's just put it this way ... not only does the jump from XT to XT32 offer the most noticeable improvement than from say MultEQ to XT or 2EQ to MultEQ, every 5308 and AVP owner that has had the upgrade installed as well as virtually every other owner that has upgraded from a MultEQ XT model to XT32 was VERY pleased they made the upgrade. And for us mere mortals, although $1000 is a lot ........... for you upper echelon guys ... with your $5000/$7500+ models, $1000 is a small price to pay to hang on to your vintage models and be assured at knowing you still have the best audio fidelity available. smile.gif

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post #4922 of 4955
I was so excited after your post on how to use the optical cable to handle the sound while the HDMI handled the video. so I popped in "life of Pi" and the opening was in very impressive 3D and sure enough the music was in great surround sound thru the Denon. however, when the vocals came on there was no sound. no vocals. only the surround sound. ie, no center channel. I tried every combo I could think of. I connected the optical cable from the PlayStation directly to the Sony and changed the Sony's sound parameter to "tv speakers". no vocals. I then plugged the cable from the PS3 directly into many different optical in ports on the Denon, resulting in no sound at all. then I plugged in the optical cable from the Sony to the Denon, and changed the sound setting on the Sony to "audio system", and then got the surround sound again, but not the center channel! I tried every combo I could think of, but nothing worked. I thought for sure that at the very least the optical going from the PS3 to the Sony would work. how could it not? but not it did. how's that for grammar. sorry for the bad writing. I'm on my phone. this one has me stumped
post #4923 of 4955
^^
You must also set the PS3 to "bitstream" vice "LPCM".
post #4924 of 4955
I'll try that this morning. I actually was thinking just before I fell asleep last night: "wait, the PS3 must have it's own audio parameters that need to be changed". thanks for your great advice!
post #4925 of 4955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Heh .. heh .. let's just put it this way ... not only does the jump from XT to XT32 offer the most noticeable improvement than from say MultEQ to XT or 2EQ to MultEQ, every 5308 and AVP owner that has had the upgrade installed as well as virtually every other owner that has upgraded from a MultEQ XT model to XT32 was VERY pleased they made the upgrade. And for us mere mortals, although $1000 is a lot ........... for you upper echelon guys ... with your $5000/$7500+ models, $1000 is a small price to pay to hang on to your vintage models and be assured at knowing you still have the best audio fidelity available. smile.gif

Having just re-calibrated my, now upgraded, AVR-5308CI... I couldn't agree more! The MultEQ XT32 upgrade really does make a huge difference. Switching Audyssey to 'off' sounds very dull in comparison to the "Audyssey" setting after calibration.

I'm also very impressed with DTS NEO:X when using a 5.1 source. With my current configuration Neo:X adds post processing to all speakers and adds surround backs for a 7.1. I'm looking into adding front height speakers and getting a separate 2-Channel amp so I can have a 9.1 set-up.

To Loonbyn... if you are really only interested in being able to add 3D capability to your system then I would skip the upgrade and purchase an Oppo BDP-103 with dual HDMI outputs so you can still get High Resolution Audio. Otherwise I would skip 3D so that you can get high res audio with your HDMI connection going to your receiver. One of the best parts of blu-ray is the lossess audio, don't miss out on that by using an optical cable.

However, $1,000 for the upgrade is completely worth it considering this is a reference quality receiver, probably the last one Denon will ever make.
post #4926 of 4955
My Receiver has always been a part of a dedicated home theater and I never really used it for critical music listening. I recently bought a Benchmark DAC-1 USB after finding out I could use my iPad to stream full resolution music files from my home computer to the DAC-1. And with 2 terabyte hard drives costing less than $100, having a low cost music server is now a reality. I have begun the arduous task of loading my entire CD collection on to the hard drive.

Here is the problem: On "Direct" I am not getting any bass out of my subwoofer. I went to Manual/Audio Setup/2ch Direct Stereo/Subwoofer and selected "yes" but I am still not getting an LFE signal to my Velodyne on the Direct setting. Bass works amazing on all the surround modes including NEO 6 Music. What am I missing?
post #4927 of 4955
Ensure your FL/FR speakers are set to SMALL as well which will crossover the lower frequencies to the sub.
post #4928 of 4955
Also, make sure your sub is set to LFE+Main. If not, the LFE (subwoofers) will only activate with a .1 LFE signal which is not present in 2 channel music.
post #4929 of 4955
^^
This is only required if the FL/FR speakers are set to LARGE. If set to SMALL, the lower frequencies will be crossed over to the sub depending on the crossover setting when using this custom 2CH/Direct mode.
post #4930 of 4955
Oh that's right, I forgot. I have Large front speakers in my system.
post #4931 of 4955
My speakers are set to "small". Subwoofer is set to LFE+THX. Crossover is set to "THX". I have the EQ turned off for the Direct mode. I'm still not getting any bass on stereo or direct. What is the EXT.IN setting for? It allows you to set the subwoofer at 0 db, 5, 10 or 15. Mine is set to 0. Could this be the issue?
post #4932 of 4955
No.. This setting would only be used if you were using the 7.1 multi analog inputs and more specifically for the .1 input. Although it shouldn't make a difference, try setting the sub to LFE+MAIN. Does the music you're listening to have lower bass frequencies?
post #4933 of 4955
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

No.. This setting would only be used if you were using the 7.1 multi analog inputs and more specifically for the .1 input. Although it shouldn't make a difference, try setting the sub to LFE+MAIN. Does the music you're listening to have lower bass frequencies?

Yes. The annoying thing is that when I set it to any of the surround modes while listening to the DAC-1, the DD-15 immediately fires up and starts pumping out bass. Switch it back to Direct and nothing comes out of the sub. I really prefer to listen to 2-channel 96khz 24 bit music in 2-channel.

When I get home from work today I am going to try a soft reset and see if that does anything.
post #4934 of 4955
So: quick little heads up on our beloved 5308ci -- I just got off the phone with Panurgy OEM (wonderful place by the way -- I had a long convo with Steve and he seems to really know his stuff) and indeed, the upgrade is long sold out from Denon at this point. One of the repair centers around the country may still have one sitting around but that's pretty unlikely.

After reading on here and talking to Steve, I'm actually a little glad my little fear of missing out didn't get the best of me. Any number of things can go wrong while doing this upgrade and the experience described in previous pages (waiting months on end for a board to be rebuilt) isn't uncommon now that most parts have been discontinued. In my case, the unit has been hanging up whenever it has attempted to update the firmware (for over a year now) which could signal a bad network card. Plus, shipping a 60lb unit across the country is both expensive and dangerous. It's just a shame that this unit isn't more supported considering the investment we all forked down to acquire it in the first place.

Anyway, just a little heads up for anyone still thinking about the upgrade!

Matt
post #4935 of 4955
Wow! I'm going to consider myself very lucky that I was able to get the upgrade recently. I just got mine back from Panurgy about 2 weeks ago. The upgrade is fantastic and totally worth it! I'm really glad that I paid the extra shipping costs to have Panurgy do the upgrade as well. I too was worried after hearing some of the horror stories on here, which is why I went with the best. Steve made me feel very comfortble with their experience level in doing the upgrade. He was also in communication with me the whole time regarding shipping and receiving.

If you haven't done the upgrade and there are still any kits left, I would strongly recommend getting on it asap. It's worth it!!
post #4936 of 4955
Wow! I'm going to consider myself very lucky that I was able to get the upgrade recently. I just got mine back from Panurgy about 2 weeks ago. The upgrade is fantastic and totally worth it! I'm really glad that I paid the extra shipping costs to have Panurgy do the upgrade as well. I too was worried after hearing some of the horror stories on here, which is why I went with the best. Steve made me feel very comfortble with their experience level in doing the upgrade. He was also in communication with me the whole time regarding shipping and receiving.

If you haven't done the upgrade and there are still any kits left, I would strongly recommend getting on it asap. It's worth it!!
post #4937 of 4955
Well my 5308 just got hit be lighting along with most of my electronics. What would you replace yours with if that happened to you? Also, I have a Pioneer SC-55 and a Sunfire TGA 7200 that got smoked as well and I need to replace. Those two were in my theater room and I’m thinking about using the funds from the 5308 and the Sunfire to upgrade but not sure that I should do, and Ideas should be about $8500 in value?
post #4938 of 4955
Did you end up purchasing the XT32 upgrade as you posted previously? You may want to consider the Marantz 8801 + 8077 combo which also comes with XT32 and Sub EQ HT (dual sub EQ).
post #4939 of 4955
No I did not and glad at this point. I looking at the Imtegra separates at this point over the Marantz as the offer more bang for your buck don't you think?
post #4940 of 4955
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Originally Posted by BamaDave View Post

I looking at the Imtegra separates at this point over the Marantz as the offer more bang for your buck don't you think?

Not if you can get the Marantz below MSRP, then it's no contest IMO! I recently sold my 5308CI with the upgrade and switched to a Marantz 8801. I purchased it from Mike Garrett at AVS directly and the price was well worth it. I suggest you contact him before considering Integra. Can't comment on the Marantz amp. I bought an Emotiva XPR-5 amp during their Summer sale and I'm very happy with this combo. Check out the 8801 thread and you'll see many happy owners.
post #4941 of 4955
I am looking for the SPK592 upgrade. I know I am a little late. Denon is no longer shipping the upgrade kits. Denon customer service told me that there are service centers that stocked the kit and may still have them. There are a lot of service centers. Does anybody know of a service center that may have it? Thanks.
post #4942 of 4955
"Well my 5308 just got hit be lighting along with most of my electronics. What would you replace yours with if that happened to you? Also, I have a Pioneer SC-55 and a Sunfire TGA 7200 that got smoked as well and I need to replace. Those two were in my theater room and I’m thinking about using the funds from the 5308 and the Sunfire to upgrade but not sure that I should do, and Ideas should be about $8500 in value?"

Wow, that's terrible! Sorry to hear that. Do you live in the greater Seattle Area by any chance? We just had a huge lightening storm prior to when you wrote this.

As for recommendations, the only thing I have to contribute is that it might be wise to wait just a little bit sine HDMI 2.0 was just announced. The biggest difference is 4k @ 60 FPS (I believe 1.4a is 4K @ 24 FPS).
post #4943 of 4955
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Originally Posted by flyr1 View Post

I am looking for the SPK592 upgrade. I know I am a little late. Denon is no longer shipping the upgrade kits. Denon customer service told me that there are service centers that stocked the kit and may still have them. There are a lot of service centers. Does anybody know of a service center that may have it? Thanks.

I would say start with Panurgy OEM in NJ. They are the best and most knowledgable with Denon products. If you can find a kit, grab it, good luck!!!
post #4944 of 4955
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Originally Posted by A1HDA View Post

Hi guys, i have the euro version a1hda, and have run into a snag thats driving me nuts.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Also note, that this is the 5308 thread ... there is a dedicated thread for AVP/A1HD owners ---> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1006957

JD - FYI he's got a Denon AVC-A1HDA, which is the model number used for the AVR-5308CI in other parts of the world. A1HDA posted in the AVP thread over the weekend with a problem and I suggested that he post here as it's the right thread for his product, but he said he was previously told to go to the AVP thread... Anyway, he really was posting in the right place to begin with wink.gif.
post #4945 of 4955
Good to know. Thanks.
post #4946 of 4955
I just did a firmware update on the 5308A (upgraded). I was hoping that would solve the TrueHD problems with the Disney/Pixar discs. As near as I can figure out Dolby (slightly) changed the TrueHD spec last year and so our 5803A (even the upgraded units) have audio dropout issues when they play discs with the "new" TrueHD (Monsters University is one). Having the player send LPCM instead of TrueHD fixes the dropouts, so the disc is not defective (and there are a lot of complaints on the web about this problem with many types of receivers).

Unfortunately the new firmware did not fix the TrueHD problem. Does anyone know if Denon is looking into this change in specs?
post #4947 of 4955
I was surprised to see your post about a firmware upgrade. Following the hardware upgrade I kind of thought that was the end of it. So I am happy to hear that Denon still thinks about us. I went ahead and downloaded the firmware (approximately 3 minutes) without any problems. Since the upgrade did not address your issue of TrueHD problems, I wonder what it did do? There does not seem to be a place you can go and check out the latest firmware updates. Thanks for telling the rest of us.
Manny
post #4948 of 4955
With the economy finally starting to come back I suspect that we will again see higher end products available. The question will be what products are demanded by folks who will spend the money? Having a flagship product is important for the brand. Our 5308CI has had a long life. And I hope for many more years! What is new on the horizon for companies like Denon. I would think that as 4k video becomes a standard that we will want to have that as part of our system. But I wonder. In automobiles the rate of change in consumer electronics is so fast paced that as auto manufactures debut a new model year the system is already obsolete. So I have read that they are starting to create an interface for smart phones that will allow people to bring their specific programs or apps to the car. So will we see cars with minimum electronics and upgradeable firmware to allow new units to shake hands? Could this translate to home audio? Speakers are pretty fixed in that they reproduce what we can hear in frequency response. Their design (looks) is what gets a lot of attention. Amps are pretty straight forward in providing the power to deliver information to the speakers. I guess the less they influence the original sound the better they are? So what will our future receivers or pre amps deliver? I am running out of walls for speakers.
post #4949 of 4955
There may be some new receivers this year at CES..........in two days. I am hoping Denon will return to the high end.......there was some info awhile back ....... about specific models and it was taken down.......someone let it out too early.
post #4950 of 4955
Anyone know if denon had new AVR Receiver at the 2014 CES Show.
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