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post #541 of 635
Several weeks ago I posted a thread asking about the best 5.1 set up for $2000 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=16392407). I got a lot of great feedback and after seeing SVS's MTS line I decided to up my budget to around 4-5k. I didn't think my wife would let me get away with it, but she is surprisingly okay with it.

However, I'm having a hard time deciding exactly what to get. I would love to get the full-size MTS 5.1 setup with two PB-13Ultras, but that would be well over my budget. I have a feeling that my Onkyo 606 would struggle with the MTS towers; therefore, I need a new receiver and / or am external amp (such as the Emotiva XPA 3).

Has anyone tried paring MTS fronts and the MCS center with a pair of SBS bookshelfs? Will there be a noticeable decrease in quality if I use SBS surrounds instead of MBS surrounds? This would save me enough money to be able to afford a new receiver and possibly an external amp.

Also on that same note, is there a receiver available for a decent price (~$1000) that can successfully power the full-size MTS 5.0 setup, or is an external amp required to take full advantage of these speakers?

Thanks for any and all input.
post #542 of 635
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Originally Posted by prophcy0 View Post

Several weeks ago I posted a thread asking about the best 5.1 set up for $2000 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=16392407). I got a lot of great feedback and after seeing SVS's MTS line I decided to up my budget to around 4-5k. I didn't think my wife would let me get away with it, but she is surprisingly okay with it.

However, I'm having a hard time deciding exactly what to get. I would love to get the full-size MTS 5.1 setup with two PB-13Ultras, but that would be well over my budget. I have a feeling that my Onkyo 606 would struggle with the MTS towers; therefore, I need a new receiver and / or am external amp (such as the Emotiva XPA 3).

Has anyone tried paring MTS fronts and the MCS center with a pair of SBS bookshelfs? Will there be a noticeable decrease in quality if I use SBS surrounds instead of MBS surrounds? This would save me enough money to be able to afford a new receiver and possibly an external amp.

Also on that same note, is there a receiver available for a decent price (~$1000) that can successfully power the full-size MTS 5.0 setup, or is an external amp required to take full advantage of these speakers?

Thanks for any and all input.

You can catch the DENON 3808 at a decent price right now before the new models come out for a much higher price. It has no problem powering my seven MTS speakers.
I am using them with a 2039PC+ sub.(not sure what the new version is called now, I got the sub from SVS six years ago)

I bought the 7.0 full size system since I already had the sub. It came with with four MBS book shelf speakers for the surrounds, one MCS center channel speaker, and two MTS tower speakers for the front left and front right.

They also have a package that has the center channel speaker and instead of the two MTS tower speakers you get two more MBS book shelf speakers.

You can also save some money by getting the "B" stock if they have what you want available. They give you the same warranty. I would have purchased the B stock if they had the 7.0 system available in Piano black last December, but they only had a B stock system in Rosenut which would not have matched my other furniture very well.
post #543 of 635
prophcy0:

First off, your wife is a keeper!!

Secondly, your situation is giving me a headache!

I would consider going with the mts 5.0 and 1 pb13+ for now, putting the money towards a better receiver and add the 2nd pb13+ later. Or possibly substituting 2 Rythmik 15's for the 2 pb13's.

The onkyo 606 and ext. amp would work, but I am not certain the 606 dac's, ps, etc. are at the same performance level of the mts. The external amp complicates the setup. Unless you are planning going with a real pre/pro setup later, I personally would keep it simple and just get another receiver.

Of course, there are other factors at play here, such as svs package discounts, etc., and that's why I have a headache.

Excuse me, I need to go take a couple of aspirins.
post #544 of 635
606 doesn't have pre-outs.
post #545 of 635
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

606 doesn't have pre-outs.

Thanks for the info, Ron.


prophcy0:

Well, that leaves out the 606/emotiva as an option. You can try the 606 with the mts and see what you think. If it doesn't workout, sell the 606 and pick up another receiver.

There are number of mts owner who happy with driving the mts with a Denon 3808, Onkyo 805, 875, 906, etc.

http://www.accessories4less.com/inde...&id=ONKTXSR875

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...urround/1.html

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...OSEOUT-/1.html
post #546 of 635
Thanks for the advice. I was aware that the 606 doesn't have preouts, but I wasn't sure if it was worth getting a more powerful receiver as well as an external amp, or if just an external amp would suffice.

I have also decided to get a PB-13Ultra. If I go with the PB-12+ I know I will always wonder "what if?". I definitely plan to add a second PB-13 in the future.
post #547 of 635
You can't go wrong with the 3808 & SVS MTS system......I love my set up..
post #548 of 635
What about the Onkyo 607? Would it power the a MTS system with a PB-13?
post #549 of 635
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Originally Posted by mrvoid View Post

What about the Onkyo 607? Would it power the a MTS system with a PB-13?

The 607 appears to have the same amp section as the 606.

The same question(s) will apply to both. You really won't know until you try it.
post #550 of 635
I'm seriously considering the MTS 5.1 system..I'm concerned about the center channel, several of my seating positions will be out of the sweet spot, is that a problem for the MCS-01?? Any lobing or dispersion problems for the off axis seating?(room 15X13) Sorry if this is a stupid question! I'm new, this will be my first set up. Thanks for any input
post #551 of 635
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Originally Posted by Crosby View Post

I'm seriously considering the MTS 5.1 system..I'm concerned about the center channel, several of my seating positions will be out of the sweet spot, is that a problem for the MCS-01?? Any lobing or dispersion problems for the off axis seating?(room 15X13) Sorry if this is a stupid question! I'm new, this will be my first set up. Thanks for any input

I often sit off axis because my wife is always hogging the sweet spot. For the most part, I personally don't have any real issues sitting off axis. Just not a good as the sweet spot.

BTW: Nice first setup.
post #552 of 635
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Originally Posted by Crosby View Post

I'm seriously considering the MTS 5.1 system..I'm concerned about the center channel, several of my seating positions will be out of the sweet spot, is that a problem for the MCS-01?? Any lobing or dispersion problems for the off axis seating?(room 15X13) Sorry if this is a stupid question! I'm new, this will be my first set up. Thanks for any input

If your receiver has audyssey you can include those off axis seating positions in it's calculations. This should help to alleviate some of the problems. It won't be a perfect fix, but it's better than nothing.

I'm not a technical expert, but I believe the MCS is a 2.5 way design. This should also reduce lobing issues over a normal MTM design (I think). The MTS is a fantastic speaker system. Good luck.
post #553 of 635
yes it's a 2.5 way design. I have some hearing damage i my left ear so I would hear more sound from the right speaker in the center channel. So I had to flip it upside down to compensate so it would sound equal to my hearing. i meant to contact SVS to see if I could get one with the speakers switched but I never got around to it.
post #554 of 635
Many thanks guys, I appreciate the input.. Damage, My receiver does have audyssey. I am going to contact SVSound tomorrow and talk with them, but I think I am going to pull the trigger. I've read so many positive reviews, and from the input here and reading through the thread I feel good about putting my money into there product. Thanks for taking the time to help.

bearchan, to funny, same here I'll never get her out of that spot

aaronwt, from what I've read about SVS costumer service, they probably will accommodate your situation.
post #555 of 635
Quick question about the MTS speaker line. Can I use speaker wire that have banana plugs go into the speaker?
Thanks!
post #556 of 635
They are 5 way binding post. It will accept spades, bare wire, banana's, etc.
post #557 of 635
I'm currently looking to upgrade my current B&W 603 speaker for my HT. 70% movie, 30% music. My current shortlisted candidate are Axiom M80v2, ERT 8.3 and MTS-01 (due to scanspeak driver). I understand MTS-01 is a little laidback which might not be so suitable for movie. Anyone done a direct comparison between all this speaker? Also, I'm going to get an emo XPA-5.
post #558 of 635
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Originally Posted by rjyap View Post

I understand MTS-01 is a little laidback which might not be so suitable for movie.

Not true. The MTS does very well with movies.

The 'laid back' aspect of the MTS was due to the original x-over design. Some like it, some didn't. With the 'new' x-over', the MTS's are neutral and very musical.

Not only did they employed the ScanSpeak tweeters, they also used some very nice Peerless woofer-mids, as well. Along with quality components in the x-over. The question would be: Did they voice it properly? From my perspective, yes
post #559 of 635
post #560 of 635
Thanks for the reply. In actual fact, I do believe all 3 above products should surpass B&W 603S3 or 604S3. I had an audition with 703 and 803 and I'm really impress by how 803 perform (you feel the rush to get the 803 back home). I just wonder how the above shortlisted candidate would compare. I'm hoping it would be better than B&W 703 and close to B&W 803 or match it.
post #561 of 635
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Originally Posted by rjyap View Post

Thanks for the reply. In actual fact, I do believe all 3 above products should surpass B&W 603S3 or 604S3. I had an audition with 703 and 803 and I'm really impress by how 803 perform (you feel the rush to get the 803 back home). I just wonder how the above shortlisted candidate would compare. I'm hoping it would be better than B&W 703 and close to B&W 803 or match it.

Hey rjyap, have you made any further decisions? I also have some B&W 600 series for my L/R/C and am looking for an upgrade. Not that there's anything wrong with my B&W's, but I'm just getting a little itchy for something new, and looking for something a little more exciting. My HT vs music usage seems to be on par with yours.

I agree, the SVS MTS's and the Emotive 8.3 both look real nice. Wish there was an easy way to compare them both side by side. Also kinda curious how the new SVS speakers will compare (that I think are about half the price of the MTS's)
post #562 of 635
I'm going for a different route. Thinking back what I want in the new speaker upgrade, I'm looking for dynamic speakers with clarity in the dialogue and vocal. After reading tons of reviews, I think most speaker I mention above would fall between B&W 700s and NOT up to B&W 800s. Now I'm seriously considering JTR Triple 8 speakers although looks butt ugly, might kick ass based on some of the owner's review. Note that they compare JTR speakers to those USD 10k+ speakers and prefer JTR.
post #563 of 635
Just hooked up my new system for a quick listen and all I have to say is Wow...just Wow! I've only hooked up the two MTS-01s so far (bought the MTS 5.1 system) with a new Oppo Blu-Ray player, Denon AVR-3808CI and an Emotiva XPA-2 straight out of the boxes with no Audessey settings, no bunging, no tweaking and they sound amazing. Very smooth, neutral sound with a wide sound stage.

Still waiting on my PB13-Ultra (coming Wednesday). The new 58" Panasonic V10, the new entertainment center, and the SVS AS-EQ1 sub EQ should all be here this month. Been saving for 3 years. It's Christmas in August! Woohoo!

Yubbie
post #564 of 635
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Originally Posted by Yubbie View Post

Just hooked up my new system for a quick listen and all I have to say is Wow...just Wow! I've only hooked up the two MTS-01s so far (bought the MTS 5.1 system) with a new Oppo Blu-Ray player, Denon AVR-3808CI and an Emotiva XPA-2 straight out of the boxes with no Audessey settings, no bunging, no tweaking and they sound amazing. Very smooth, neutral sound with a wide sound stage.

Still waiting on my PB13-Ultra (coming Wednesday). The new 58" Panasonic V10, the new entertainment center, and the SVS AS-EQ1 sub EQ should all be here this month. Been saving for 3 years. It's Christmas in August! Woohoo!

Yubbie

Congrats! Welcome to the club. Someday soon the PB13 will be mine. Take some time and sit down and just listen to music on the MTS....you'll love it!
post #565 of 635
I'm curious about how people here listen to music on their MTS. I generally go direct on my Onkyo 805, using no subwoofer. Listening like this, the speakers really put out a great amount of bass. When I switch over to stereo mode (with sub and 80hz x-over) the bass seems reduced.

I guess what I'm saying is the MTS seem hard to blend with my sub (SVS PB12-NSD by the way). It almost seems like the MTS are so punchy down low that a higher crossover (80hz) seems to hurt rather than help. At that point the sub seems weaker than the speakers bass wise. I find that when I run a lower x-over (40 or 50 hz) it blends much better. I also notice that with a higher than 80hz cross, the sub starts to overtake the punchiness of the speakers so to speak.

So I'm curious as to what other owners think about this. This is for MUSIC only. 5.1 movies with 80hz x-over sounds just fine. I'll point out that I have no real room treatments as such, just carpet and drapes. The room is also fairly small, which may be a factor (11.5x14x8). I'd like to hear your thoughts.
post #566 of 635
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Originally Posted by DamageMcRamage View Post

I'm curious about how people here listen to music on their MTS. I generally go direct on my Onkyo 805, using no subwoofer. Listening like this, the speakers really put out a great amount of bass. When I switch over to stereo mode (with sub and 80hz x-over) the bass seems reduced.

I guess what I'm saying is the MTS seem hard to blend with my sub (SVS PB12-NSD by the way). It almost seems like the MTS are so punchy down low that a higher crossover (80hz) seems to hurt rather than help. At that point the sub seems weaker than the speakers bass wise. I find that when I run a lower x-over (40 or 50 hz) it blends much better. I also notice that with a higher than 80hz cross, the sub starts to overtake the punchiness of the speakers so to speak.

So I'm curious as to what other owners think about this. This is for MUSIC only. 5.1 movies with 80hz x-over sounds just fine. I'll point out that I have no real room treatments as such, just carpet and drapes. The room is also fairly small, which may be a factor (11.5x14x8). I'd like to hear your thoughts.


The problem sounds like it could be your setup of the player. Are you playing your music in 5.1 surround or 2-channel stereo? Pure direct, straight, or DSP mode?
post #567 of 635
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Originally Posted by Mudslide View Post

The problem sounds like it could be your setup of the player. Are you playing your music in 5.1 surround or 2-channel stereo? Pure direct, straight, or DSP mode?

I actually use my blu ray player and the XBOX 360. I use direct on my Onkyo 805 (no sub) or stereo (with sub) depending on my mood. I only apply 5.1 logic to music when I'm in the mood, which is rarely. Using 5.1 logic in the receiver, the bass is strong from the sub.

I turned off audyssey and bumped the sub up by about 2db and that seems to have really made a big difference, even at the 80hz crossover point.
post #568 of 635
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Originally Posted by DamageMcRamage View Post

I'm curious about how people here listen to music on their MTS.

Hi DamageMcRamage:

My setup for listening to music is 2 channel analog(preferred). I use the 2ch analog outs from my modified oppo, "source direct" into my Marantz avr, with a feed from the avr speaker outs to the MTS and a separate feed to my Rythmik's high level input. That is about the shortest 2 ch. path that I can figure out and have the sub in the chain, without having to go thru the dsp of the avr.

This setup is bit of a hassle, as one has to physically remove the high level connections and plug in the low level cable for viewing movies. It would be simpler if ever get around to building switching box.
post #569 of 635
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Originally Posted by bearchan View Post

Hi DamageMcRamage:

My setup for listening to music is 2 channel analog(preferred). I use the 2ch analog outs from my modified oppo, "source direct" into my Marantz avr, with a feed from the avr speaker outs to the MTS and a separate feed to my Rythmik's high level input. That is about the shortest 2 ch. path that I can figure out and have the sub in the chain, without having to go thru the dsp of the avr.

This setup is bit of a hassle, as one has to physically remove the high level connections and plug in the low level cable for viewing movies. It would be simpler if ever get around to building switching box.

That's interesting. How do you do the separate feed for the sub? Do you use A+B speakers in your AVR to run the MTS and the sub?
post #570 of 635
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Originally Posted by DamageMcRamage View Post

That's interesting. How do you do the separate feed for the sub? Do you use A+B speakers in your AVR to run the MTS and the sub?

I just paralleled another pair of cables from the L/R speaker jacks of the avr to the sub's high level input jacks.
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