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HVR-1600 and 1080i OTA Studders

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I've been having a problem getting 1080i broadcasts to run smooth, but 720p works fine. This is for live and playback video. My CPU maxes at ~60%. I can play WMV HD stuff at 1080p that I downloaded from MS.

System:
2.5GHz P4 1.5GB PC400 GeForce FX 5600 Ultra.

I've just read mixed ideas on system requirements and don't know if my system too slow or if it is the tuner card that just might not be performing.

Thanks
post #2 of 24
I don't think your system is too slow, I use an AMD 3100+/ATi AIW9600xt and have no problem. What s/w are you using, how's your reception, and what CPU% are you seeing with 1080i? Either way, it's NOT the tuner card. It can stream your program to your HDD with minimal effort. It's the playback software, video codec & settings, BIOS and DxVA that will effect your smoothness -- have you tried the latest WMP? It allows hardware video acceleration from its settings panel.

PS. Have you tried WatchHDTV or MediaPortal as your software suite?
post #3 of 24
How much memory does your video card have? That could be your issue.

I run mine on an AMD Athlon 2500+ (overclocked to 2.2Ghz), 1.5GB ram, Vista Ultimate, Nvidia 6200LE with 256MB ram and have no issues with ATSC tuning. QAM is a separate story, but lots of people have issues with that right now.
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
My CPU struggles around 60% on 1080i. 720p is great, however, and the CPU hovers around 40%.

I use WinTV2000. Reception is great, I'm just one bar shy of max quality in shown in the channel manager.

I tried MediaPortal and it could not find the Tuner, or I could not figure out how to make it work. I also tried 3 versions of WinTV2000 and the beta WinTV6.

I updated to the latest MediaPlayer 11, which just shows a black screen on recorded video from WTV2000 (just test 1080i).

I don't know how to figure out which codec it is using or how to change the settings.

Maybe I should update DirectX? I'm using DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904).

And I'll try any other suggestions.

Thanks.
post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
My video card is DX9 compliant (from that era) and has 128MB RAM.
post #6 of 24
Processing of 1080i takes more system CPU and more Gaphics card GPU power then 720p or 1080p since not only does the signal have to be de-interlaced it also has to have motion compensation applied.
I believe that your 5600 Ultra card does not have the Horsepower required for 1080i.
For Media Center Microsoft recommends MCE a 128MB 6600GT, 7600GT, or 8500GT or better for 1080i.
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
After updating DirectX I was able to play a short video (1 min) recorded from a 1080i broadcast using the scheduler.

Thanks Walford for the input, but I'm puzzled how someone with an ATI AIW 9600xt gets it to work? I also note that my sound is very much out of sync and sometimes sounds like it's garbled.

Another question, does anyone have success with a snapshot of 1080i? My grabs are missing every other line and each line is shifted to the right about 5%, so I get a diagonally skewed image that looks more grayscale. The resoultion indicates somthing odd, like something greater than 1920x1080, I think it was 1934x1088.

Dang, a new video card would require a new MB, then new RAM, etc. etc...
post #8 of 24
I checked the specs and your 5600 Ultra should handle and should handle it better then a 9600.
What program are you playing the video with and if MCE what decoder are you using?
post #9 of 24
There is a new beta version of MediaPortal that will recognize the 1600. Their December release 0.2.2.0 did NOT recognize the 1600. And, my AIW 9600xt works fine for 1080i and uses about 20% of my 2500 O'Ced to a 3100+ on WinXP-SP2, 1GB RAM. Personally I think the s/w that came with the 1600 is crap. Try the beta MediaPortal if you want a deluxe front end, or WatchHDTV for a SIMPLE, streamlined functionality! You'll be AMAZED at how well these two operate -- especially the WatchHDTV. Once you get it running you'll have a good baseline on your system's capability. Oh, and your sound/sync is most likely the video dropping frames when the load is high. What sound are you using? I use the on-board SPDIF out to my A/V receiver. AS far as decoders, MediaPortal allows you CLEAR access to select any that you have loaded!
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
I'm on WinXP SP2.

I tried to pause Live TV in the WinTV2000 app. and after about a minute buffer, it seemed to work for a few minutes, but it started chopping up after a short while or A/V out of sync. I'm using a SBLive 5.1 card and run direct input to my receiver on all 6 channels (analog output).

I'll try MediaPortal Beta and WatchHDTV when I get home tonight.

Thanks for the help...

PS, How can I determine which codecs I'm using?
post #11 of 24
Slightly off topic....but how do we get DD 5.1 from MCE (preferably via s/pdif)

I have the HVR1600 with MCE 2005 but all I get is stereo output.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
there should be a swith in your audio setup.

After reading the WatchHDTV review of the PVR-950, I might have a bit of hope and will try changing the Primary setup to VMR7 and Overlay, whatever all that means...

And I'll try the latest RC1 of MediaPortal and WatchHDTV pgms.
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
I got results. All I did was check allow overlay in the Primary app. Works good now.

I'm still gonna try the other though.

Thanks
post #14 of 24
I'd suggest you still look at your decoder, especially if you're using the Hauppauge ones.
post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
yes, how do I look at my decoder?

Because I still have a glitch ever so often, but I'm doing some photoshot stuff, surfing, and watching the tube.
post #16 of 24
You can try downloading and running the Windows XP Video Decoder Checkup Utility -- it'll tell you what you have on your computer. If you're using the WatchHDTV app, there's an included program that lists the decoders you have installed (and creates a decoder.txt file for its own use).

But if you're content with what you've got and it's just an occassional hiccup, you could just try tweaking the program priority and see if that smooths things out.
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 
ATI CC Multiplexer
CyberLink Video/SP Decoder (ATI)
HCW MPEG-2 Video Decoder
InterVideo NonCSS Video Decoder for Hauppauge
Ligos MPEG Video Decoder
MainConcept (AdobeEncore) MPEG Video Decoder
InterVideo NonCSS Audio Decoder for Hauppauge
nanocosmos MPEG-2 Video Decoder Filter 2
HCW Layer II Audio Decoder
HCW AC3 Audio Decoder
CyberLink Audio Decoder (ATI)

I don't know how to tell which ones are being used though
post #18 of 24
Look to the right of your list (in the app) .....there is a check mark against the ones which are compatible and another checkbox for the one which is being used.


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Originally Posted by Cuc Tu View Post

ATI CC Multiplexer
CyberLink Video/SP Decoder (ATI)
HCW MPEG-2 Video Decoder
InterVideo NonCSS Video Decoder for Hauppauge
Ligos MPEG Video Decoder
MainConcept (AdobeEncore) MPEG Video Decoder
InterVideo NonCSS Audio Decoder for Hauppauge
nanocosmos MPEG-2 Video Decoder Filter 2
HCW Layer II Audio Decoder
HCW AC3 Audio Decoder
CyberLink Audio Decoder (ATI)

I don't know how to tell which ones are being used though
post #19 of 24
Mediaportal allows you to select the decoders from within the application. I did just that last night, and with TaskMan open could see which worked well and how much CPU. I found the Cyberlink one without the ATI (I;m guessing it was from PowerDVD, uses the hardware acceleration and reduced CPU from 80% on 1080i to 27%. The occasional 'glitch' may be a function of a saturated CPU. Seeing as your sound card is decoding the audio, you may be using a fair amount of CPU for that as well.

If you want to use WatchHDTV, use AC3Filter for your audio... oh... you're NOT passing AC3 like I am... you MAY be ok using some other audio codec but the ones that came with the HVR-1600 didn't pass AC3, but they may do a good job decoding it.

As far as the 950 -- BEWARE it still does NOT do good silent recording using WatchHDTV. I selected the HVR-1600 as it works well in all modes of WatchHDTV, not to mention does a fine job in MediaPortal as well! Oh, and it's supposed to be an excellent MCE card!
post #20 of 24
Hey Andrew,
Do you get DD 5.1 in programs when it is broadcast?

If yes, could you please let me know how you configured your system to output 5.1??

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Originally Posted by Andrew Hornfeck View Post

If you want to use WatchHDTV, use AC3Filter for your audio... oh... you're NOT passing AC3 like I am...
post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 
I could not get WatchHDTV to run right. It started working, but when fiddling with the controls, it locked up my PC and made a loud buzz until the PC rebooted itself. Now when I open the pgm, it crashes just as it tries to display the video or it starts up, locks the PC and buzzes to reboot. I know it will work as it did for a few minutes the first time, but something got askew.

I did not try the new MediaPortal yet as WinTV2K is working, so I went to try out the analog video input. Another important side of having this is to capture home movies. I was not very impressed with the analog video quality at all, but I'll have to try another cabling arrangement first. My old AIW card was much better with the video quality, but I'll try a few other things.

Question on the hardware: it looks like the card has a connector block for a daughter card? I wanted to run some shielded coax for a front panel A/V input. Is it possible to get a pinout of the jumper block?

Thanks
post #22 of 24
AC3Filter is an application... search for it on Google, or doom9.org You install it, configure the output to USE SPDIF and create a decoders.txt file using AC3Filter as the audio decoder.

Speaking of decoders.txt.... you both should be reading the WatchHDTV thread. It goes into detail about using the utility inside the release ZIP download to identify your available decoders AND has a create decoders.txt button. I've posted MY experience in setting this HVR-1600, the decoders efficiency and such over there. Oh, and I also mention AC3Filter and the Hauppauge's audio decoder NOT passing DD5.1 One more thing: be sure you establish the recording FOLDERS before you run WatchHDTV and its SETUP tab or it'll crash when you pick TIMESHIFT or RECORD since it doesn't see the folders.
post #23 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rajdude View Post

Look to the right of your list (in the app) .....there is a check mark against the ones which are compatible and another checkbox for the one which is being used.

You mean in WatchHDTVInfo?

I don't see any of this. Under the button Create decoders.txt, it just shows which decoder I've selected from the list, but it does not seem to be the one that the system is using or will use.

Where do I find the tweaking of application priority?
post #24 of 24
No,
I was talking about the Decoder checkup utility. It looks like this (see attachment) there is a checkbox in the line which is actually being used by MCE.

Sorry, I dont use Hauppauge's apps,,,,they are just way too primitive for my tastes.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuc Tu View Post

You mean in WatchHDTVInfo?

I don't see any of this. Under the button Create decoders.txt, it just shows which decoder I've selected from the list, but it does not seem to be the one that the system is using or will use.

Where do I find the tweaking of application priority?


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