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post #12601 of 14074
2/15/12 at 7:55pm
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Originally Posted by kapone View Post

Crossover at 80Hz.

I haven't run them without Audyssey yet...that's next in line.

What is this crossover thing? I had it on my subwoofer and I put it at 180 hz.

I have done the audussey thing also and all my sound do sound balanced.
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post #12602 of 14074
2/16/12 at 7:13am
Purchased jbl 180s and they sound rest. My question though is on jbl site and on worldwide stereo site it says max amplifier power 200.... On the box itself for speaker. It says 90w continuous/360 wattmax.... I have pioner 1021 which I believe outputs jut over 100watts a channel.... If I crank it will I blow these if listening for continuous time? Or do all these numbers mean different things?
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post #12603 of 14074
2/16/12 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by Vdawgs22 View Post

Purchased jbl 180s and they sound rest. My question though is on jbl site and on worldwide stereo site it says max amplifier power 200.... On the box itself for speaker. It says 90w continuous/360 wattmax.... I have pioner 1021 which I believe outputs jut over 100watts a channel.... If I crank it will I blow these if listening for continuous time? Or do all these numbers mean different things?

This is covered frequently. Amps don't "blow" speakers, people do that.

90W continuous is ear-splitting loud. But to set the record straight, you're more likely to damage a speaker running a smaller AVR wide open than you are running a BIG amp. IOW, over-driving an amp is what damages speakers more often than not. Plus, your "100W" AVR is putting out closer to 1/2 that amount when all channels are driven.
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post #12604 of 14074
2/16/12 at 8:14am
Breaking the 190s in now. You can tell that they sound a bit different compared to my broken in 190s. Pretty nice to have 190s as side surrounds, but it was much harder to place them, as my Submersive is in the way of one of them, and the 190 has a very tight window of space. When it was a 130 on a stand, there wasnt a placement issue.
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post #12605 of 14074
2/16/12 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Left-coasters note this impressive stack of gear at a fair price:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/110825794247...84.m1423.l2649

Would be fun to listen to and see how it compares. I never see stuff like this here.
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post #12606 of 14074
2/16/12 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

This is covered frequently. Amps don't "blow" speakers, people do that.

90W continuous is ear-splitting loud. But to set the record straight, you're more likely to damage a speaker running a smaller AVR wide open than you are running a BIG amp. IOW, over-driving an amp is what damages speakers more often than not. Plus, your "100W" AVR is putting out closer to 1/2 that amount when all channels are driven.

My recommendation is as soon as you start to hear any sound degradation back off on the volume. My L820's are rated at 150wpc and I have a Denon that is rated at 110wpc x 7 and even when only running 2 channel I could not get to reference without clipping/distortion. After adding a 300wpc amp they sound clear at reference and will play for hours like that.

As Tim would say "More power!"
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post #12607 of 14074
2/17/12 at 8:53am
Ugh. I bought the JBL 190s during the wwstereo sale. One of them arrived with an ugly scratch on the corner of the plastic weave. I've been trying to get it resolved for awhile.

I finally managed to get in touch with them again today, and it seems like they're completely sold out of the JBL 190s, so my only two options are $50 off for the damage or returning both of the JBL 190s. Any idea if the plastic grille part can be replaced easily?
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post #12608 of 14074
2/17/12 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by zetafunction View Post

Ugh. I bought the JBL 190s during the wwstereo sale. One of them arrived with an ugly scratch on the corner of the plastic weave. I've been trying to get it resolved for awhile.

I finally managed to get in touch with them again today, and it seems like they're completely sold out of the JBL 190s, so my only two options are $50 off for the damage or returning both of the JBL 190s. Any idea if the plastic grille part can be replaced easily?

That sucks, two days later I had a new 190 for the same issue and they never RMA'd my original so I get to keep it but I need to get a 4th 190 at some point.
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post #12609 of 14074
2/17/12 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by zetafunction View Post

Ugh. I bought the JBL 190s during the wwstereo sale. One of them arrived with an ugly scratch on the corner of the plastic weave. I've been trying to get it resolved for awhile.

I finally managed to get in touch with them again today, and it seems like they're completely sold out of the JBL 190s, so my only two options are $50 off for the damage or returning both of the JBL 190s. Any idea if the plastic grille part can be replaced easily?

Can you maybe fill in the plastic with puddy and then paint the whole plastic weave so its not noticeable? may have to paint all 5 speakers so they match though
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post #12610 of 14074
2/17/12 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by coryrulez9 View Post

Can you maybe fill in the plastic with puddy and then paint the whole plastic weave so its not noticeable? may have to paint all 5 speakers so they match though

That's one option... that I wouldn't really trust myself to do =P I'd have to sand it down the area too, and then hope my resulting spray paint job didn't look terrible.

Honestly, I wish UPS had just a little more careful in their handling and not thrown the boxes willy nilly at my front door the one hour I'm not home.
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post #12611 of 14074
2/17/12 at 9:37am
If you call Harman or email them at "parts@harman.com" you might find the grill pieces available for purchase. I did that for an L890 that UPS did the same thing to, the grill cost about $30 shipped.
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post #12612 of 14074
2/17/12 at 10:46am
I've been to many Movie Theater's and one thing I have noticed in all is they pretty much use the same JBL speakers throughout. They use the 8340a's for all the surround use but I can never figure out what kind of speakers they got behind the screen......?

I know its the pro line they use but I'm dumbfounded as to what actual speaker they are. Anyone with any knowledge of this able to elaborate on it? And also, anyone know where I can get JBL pro merchandise? Or even where I can hear them? Everything around me locally (Illinois) is all their standard line-ups.

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post #12613 of 14074
2/17/12 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by charles0424 View Post

I've been to many Movie Theater's and one thing I have noticed in all is they pretty much use the same JBL speakers throughout. They use the 8340a's for all the surround use but I can never figure out what kind of speakers they got behind the screen......?

I know its the pro line they use but I'm dumbfounded as to what actual speaker they are. Anyone with any knowledge of this able to elaborate on it? And also, anyone know where I can get JBL pro merchandise? Or even where I can hear them? Everything around me locally (Illinois) is all their standard line-ups.

Thanks

There are a number of different professional lines of gear. For cinema:

http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/genera...x?FId=91&MId=1

Most theaters probably use lesser systems.

http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/Genera...x?FId=31&MId=1
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post #12614 of 14074
2/17/12 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by charles0424 View Post

I've been to many Movie Theater's and one thing I have noticed in all is they pretty much use the same JBL speakers throughout. They use the 8340a's for all the surround use but I can never figure out what kind of speakers they got behind the screen......?

I know its the pro line they use but I'm dumbfounded as to what actual speaker they are. Anyone with any knowledge of this able to elaborate on it? And also, anyone know where I can get JBL pro merchandise? Or even where I can hear them? Everything around me locally (Illinois) is all their standard line-ups.

Thanks

I don't really know of any brick and morter places, but there are several places on-line to get them. For instance the 8340's can be found here.

and 3677 here

and the big boys 4675, here
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post #12615 of 14074
2/17/12 at 12:32pm
finally installed. They actually don't look as bad as people say



Much improvement (esp on the center speaker) over my old Jamo (which seem to work well for the sides)



on that note, I'm assuming my Sub shouldn't be that close?
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post #12616 of 14074
2/17/12 at 1:17pm
Jamo's are nice speakers, but I'd compare these 190's with their upper range C607's - I used to have a pair. The 607's midrange is beautiful, but 190's are better with imaging and high frequency clarity.
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post #12617 of 14074
2/17/12 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

There are a number of different professional lines of gear. For cinema:

http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/genera...x?FId=91&MId=1

Most theaters probably use lesser systems.

http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/Genera...x?FId=31&MId=1

Thanks for the reply! I guess the only way to know for sure what these theaters got is to take a look for ourselves. Anyways though I am some what interested in the lesser system you linked 3677 fronts mainly because they seem fit for what I would like to do (planning on building my own dedicated theater in the house my family and I are looking to purchase. Its tough because I would really like to hear these speakers for my own and on top of everything else there isn't ANYWHERE near me that seems to carry these! I send thanks to the next poster for supplying the google purchase links but those dont really do me the justice I am looking for!

Thanks again
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post #12618 of 14074
2/17/12 at 5:47pm
I have a jbl l880 that i purchased may be less than 4 yrs ago.
I removed the grill and found this today.
Is it bad?
Does it need to be replaced?
Does it cover under warranty?
Thanks,
Attachment 237575
LL
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post #12619 of 14074
2/17/12 at 7:20pm
I'm loving this system. Having an extra pair of 190s as surrounds really solidifies the system. I feel like I need a bigger amp to drive everything now, even though the system gets very loud. -20db is my threshold of being too loud.

This will be perfect for the next few years until I can save up for a full JTR or Seaton system.

I just can't believe I made such an upgrade while paying LESS than the system it replaced. $819 for 4x 190s, 1x120, and 2x 130s. Like Zoglog and others have found out, they aren't ugly at all!

Consider that $819 doesn't even buy one JTR or Seaton speaker, and this shows how much of a value this buy was. Selling off the old equipment easily covered the cost.
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post #12620 of 14074
2/17/12 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by tinng321 View Post

I have a jbl l880 that i purchased may be less than 4 yrs ago.
I removed the grill and found this today.
Is it bad?
Does it need to be replaced?
Does it cover under warranty?
Thanks,
Attachment 237575

Warranty won't cover that, no. You can get a replacement driver from JBL, or if you take it to someone who knows how to work on speakers it could be repaired. OR if you want to buy a box of parts just find a used LC2.
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post #12621 of 14074
2/17/12 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Warranty won't cover that, no. You can get a replacement driver from JBL, or if you take it to someone who knows how to work on speakers it could be repaired. OR if you want to buy a box of parts just find a used LC2.

I just check their website. A replacement mid range driver is $29.44. These speakers were $1400 a pair when I bought them. Does $29.44 for a mid range sound right? I was expecting somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
How easy is it to replace a driver?
Thanks,
Tin
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post #12622 of 14074
2/17/12 at 10:22pm
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Originally Posted by tinng321 View Post

I just check their website. A replacement mid range driver is $29.44. These speakers were $1400 a pair when I bought them. Does $29.44 for a mid range sound right? I was expecting somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.
How easy is it to replace a driver?
Thanks,
Tin

Super easy to replace, just a couple of screws on the front and it pops out. Best to lay it on it's back as they are sorta heavy and you don't want it to fall. Price does sound a little low but hey, pleasant surprise. Just make sure it's the 6" driver.
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post #12623 of 14074
2/18/12 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by PilotAce View Post

I do have the L8400p, but it's no longer in front with the L890s due to space constraints. Using an Onkyo SR805 to drive four L820s and provide the signal for the L8400p, I've got three Emotiva UPA-1s to drive L890s and the LC2 @ 200 watts each.

That said, I've never really been able to spend the time to figure out how best to configure it, as the 805 has many different configurations, and I still have many questions. Weird thing about being married with two kids, working while in grad school... didn't think I could be busier, yes, I'm busier now than when I was in grad school the 1st time around.

Questions linger... if I tell the 805 I don't have a subwoofer, the option to select the crossover for the L/R channels, as it seems to default to "Full Range"... if I tell the 805 I do have a subwoofer, I can still set the crossover to "Full Range", or set it at 40 --> 80, 90 (i should probably write it down, eh?)... I've tried to perform listening tests... indicate sub/no sub, and see if there's a difference... leave the sub turned on vs. unplugging it....

Is there a difference whether it thinks there's a sub, but the sub isn't turned on, even when I tell it to make the crossover "full range"? If the LFs go out to the sub, and it isn't turned on, are the mains missing anything if it's set to full range? (presumedly not, and probably for the OTHER forum)...

Sometimes, I just want the two channel setup, but don't want the trouble of unplugging the sub, or telling the 805 I don't have one, but keep a default setting for watching media, which is like... 90% of the time.

But the only way I know to TRULY get two channel sound is to... unplug the sub and tell my AVR that it isn't there... Did that tonight, and set ALL my speakers to Full Range, as it seems I've got enough wattage to drive the surrounds, mains and center adequately.... the L890s seem to be hitting hard enough without the sub, but with the family home, I don't have it cranked high...

Is it better with the sub? Almost always, but I know the L890s can sing and I wanna hear em like 4DHD did before he gave them away as a present...

You most certainly have more driving the L890s than I will. I have the Denon 3312CI only and have been told they will be more than adequate for the L890 with L8400P. The nice thing about the 3312 is I can set it to run with or without the sub (2 ch or 5.1) and running Audyssey (supposed) to tell me everything I know. I set the the L/R to small and xover to sub with either 80 or 40. I have the B&W 684 and xover at 80. My information states the L890 have more bass, so subsequently might want to go to 40hz.

I have wife and 2 kids as well with less time to really listen sometimes, so i am trying to gain as much knowledge about these L890s as possible.

My guess is 2 ch without sub for music and 5.1 for movies/TV.
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post #12624 of 14074
2/18/12 at 7:47am
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Originally Posted by mikeronesia View Post

Super easy to replace, just a couple of screws on the front and it pops out. Best to lay it on it's back as they are sorta heavy and you don't want it to fall. Price does sound a little low but hey, pleasant surprise. Just make sure it's the 6" driver.

6"? Wait, I thought they are 4". It's the mid range driver.
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post #12625 of 14074
2/18/12 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by tinng321 View Post

6"? Wait, I thought they are 4". It's the mid range driver.

The midrange is 4", correct. If you have any doubts, just pull the old one and check the part number against this.

Just be certain when you disconnect wires, which goes where.
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post #12626 of 14074
2/18/12 at 12:57pm
have had my speakers for a few days...jbl 180's.... i just playing music pretty loud but not nearly as loud as they can go and they started to smell... not sure what it was... maybe burn plasticy smell?... thoughts?
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post #12627 of 14074
2/18/12 at 1:39pm
i just mild investigating and is see the smell is coming from the rear opening of one of them... not sure if its the "insulation" that is inside?!!? they still sound fine...
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post #12628 of 14074
2/18/12 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by tinng321 View Post

6"? Wait, I thought they are 4". It's the mid range driver.

My bad, I was thinking it was one of the 6" drivers.
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post #12629 of 14074
2/18/12 at 2:48pm
Speaking of the 880s (and Studio L more broadly) it looks as though JBL has reduced the finish offerings on their main NA site to cherry and black. I guess I should just be happy they're still up there with the Studio 5s on the way (theoretically).
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post #12630 of 14074
2/18/12 at 6:04pm
anyone have any insight to my issue? i've realized it's one speaker and one may or may not be vribrating inside more than the other.. its hard to tell moving back and forth bc music changes.... but one thing i def notice is the speaker from the hole in the back (whatever its called) you hear the vocals much less from one of them (when listening closely to the rear of the speaker...

i'm using pioner 1021... are these jbl 180s underpowered?
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