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post #13051 of 15026
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Originally Posted by mirkolop View Post

What do you mean by "multi channel music"? Is that playing discreet multi channel music DVD's or using a program on your DVR when playing stereo CD's? I'm real green when it comes to this. I'm old, so to me music means stereo...period. I would like to get with the program.

The two primary forms of MC music are super-audio CDs (SACD) and DVD audio (DVD-A), though there are several titles coming out on Bluray with effectively similar presentation, but usually combined with video or concert footage. If you really are "old" you *should* then remember the quadrophonic movement and the three channel "stereo" years. Stick with the new formats in my opinion as long as they're high bit-rate (I like FLACs), having finally gotten the turntable I lusted after for a long time has reminded me of all the stuff I hate about pursuing analog perfection and fighting vibrations, rumble, scratches, dust, warps, feedback, ad nauseum...

Sorry to go OT. Still enfatuated with my JBLs! I've actually got a crazily dented tweeter (from a cleaning slip) I replaced and will post photos of soon if anyone wants to see just how thin that pure titanium dome is; must be measured in microns.. Shocking! eek.gif
post #13052 of 15026
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Originally Posted by nlsteele View Post

The two primary forms of MC music are super-audio CDs (SACD) and DVD audio (DVD-A), though there are several titles coming out on Bluray with effectively similar presentation, but usually combined with video or concert footage. If you really are "old" you *should* then remember the quadrophonic movement and the three channel "stereo" years. Stick with the new formats in my opinion as long as they're high bit-rate (I like FLACs), having finally gotten the turntable I lusted after for a long time has reminded me of all the stuff I hate about pursuing analog perfection and fighting vibrations, rumble, scratches, dust, warps, feedback, ad nauseum...
Sorry to go OT. Still enfatuated with my JBLs! I've actually got a crazily dented tweeter (from a cleaning slip) I replaced and will post photos of soon if anyone wants to see just how thin that pure titanium dome is; must be measured in microns.. Shocking! eek.gif

I was amazed at that as well. One of my surround PT800's arrived with the tweeter assembly disconnected from the tweeter frame. It rattled around the inside of the cabinet from the wires and completely crushed the dome. It's basically titanium foil.
post #13053 of 15026
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Originally Posted by nlsteele View Post

having finally gotten the turntable I lusted after for a long time has reminded me of all the stuff I hate about pursuing analog perfection and fighting vibrations, rumble, scratches, dust, warps, feedback, ad nauseum...
Sorry to go OT. Still enfatuated with my JBLs! I've actually got a crazily dented tweeter (from a cleaning slip) I replaced and will post photos of soon if anyone wants to see just how thin that pure titanium dome is; must be measured in microns.. Shocking! eek.gif

I have LPs, CDs, DVD-A, SACD and I like them all to the same extent. If you have snap, crackle, pop LPs then make up a solution of distilled water and rubbing alcohol. Use a record cleaning pad or soft clean cloth to wipe the vinyl. Then wipe again with another clean cloth with just the water, then dry with another cloth. For added measure, I then use the brush attachment on the vacuum cleaner to suck up any remaining particles. I've managed to restore many LPs that I thought were beyond any amount of cleaning to about 95~100% clean.

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Originally Posted by EZ-Rhino View Post

I was amazed at that as well. One of my surround PT800's arrived with the tweeter assembly disconnected from the tweeter frame. It rattled around the inside of the cabinet from the wires and completely crushed the dome. It's basically titanium foil.

Those Ti domes can be sucked back out by placing the wand of a vacuum cleaner over the dome and turning it on. I've had to do that a number of times.
post #13054 of 15026
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Originally Posted by nlsteele View Post

Stick with the new formats in my opinion as long as they're high bit-rate (I like FLACs), having finally gotten the turntable I lusted after for a long time has reminded me of all the stuff I hate about pursuing analog perfection and fighting vibrations, rumble, scratches, dust, warps, feedback, ad nauseum...

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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

If you have snap, crackle, pop LPs then make up a solution of distilled water and rubbing alcohol. Use a record cleaning pad or soft clean cloth to wipe the vinyl. Then wipe again with another clean cloth with just the water, then dry with another cloth. For added measure, I then use the brush attachment on the vacuum cleaner to suck up any remaining particles. I've managed to restore many LPs that I thought were beyond any amount of cleaning to about 95~100% clean.

Yes, the pursuit of a tolerably sounding vinyl playback system is a lengthy, expensive, finicky, ongoing, and endless enterprise. I have some acquaintances who've spent thousands of dollars to get what I consider barely passable systems, and generally their systems sound good due to other compromises I'd be unwilling to make, like getting rid of your JBLs and spending a boatload of money on speakers that look fantastic and have such an uneven and biased response curve that LPs are actually the best media to play through them. My vinyl collection sounds best when played through my vintage JBL L100 Century speakers, and they are known as some of the less accurate speakers JBL ever made. Yet I love them and I can tolerate vinyl when played through them.

With more recent and accurate JBLs with superior response characteristics, better networks, fantastic dispersion, pinpoint imaging, and linear response, vinyl is irritating, distorted, compressed, and noisy. I never, and I mean NEVER bother with it in a higher end, revealing, clean-sounding system.

There is some music only available on 78, 45, and 33 1/3 discs, and I'll gladly listen to it for its own sake on a vinyl playback system, but I never expect it to sound fantastic, so I'm never disappointed. Sometimes musicianship trumps playback quality, and sometimes the way you heard music when you grew up trumps realism. I can sleep in both camps, but soon enough I want to go home and sleep in a real bed where I can revel in a complete and comfortable experience rather than worry about bugs, twigs, dirt, rocks, snakes, mysterious noises, and waking up every 20 minutes to roll over. wink.gif
post #13055 of 15026
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Originally Posted by filecat13 View Post

Yes, the pursuit of a tolerably sounding vinyl playback system is a lengthy, expensive, finicky, ongoing, and endless enterprise. I have some acquaintances who've spent thousands of dollars to get what I consider barely passable systems, and generally their systems sound good due to other compromises I'd be unwilling to make, like getting rid of your JBLs and spending a boatload of money on speakers that look fantastic and have such an uneven and biased response curve that LPs are actually the best media to play through them. My vinyl collection sounds best when played through my vintage JBL L100 Century speakers, and they are known as some of the less accurate speakers JBL ever made. Yet I love them and I can tolerate vinyl when played through them.

Well, I most certainly have not spent $1000s on only passable systems. I use my L212s and PT800s for all formats. And I think the LPs sound very good played through both. I have a modest Marantz TT I gave $1500 for, which included an $800 ClearAudio cartridge. I do not or will ever have a record cleaner machine. Nor do I have a separate phono pre-amp. I use the phono inputs on the Parasound P7 or the HK3390.
post #13056 of 15026
Well, I got my JBL 3722's a couple of days ago and have been enjoying them, albeit, they need to be broken in a little more and I need a few other things to really bring out the shine in them. Still need to get some surrounds and another 3722 for the center. Eventually, I'll upgrade the horns to the Mid/High freq that are used in the 3732T. Some pictures:

http://imageshack.us/g/687/img0055hz.jpg/
post #13057 of 15026
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Well, I most certainly have not spent $1000s on only passable systems. I use my L212s and PT800s for all formats. And I think the LPs sound very good played through both. I have a modest Marantz TT I gave $1500 for, which included an $800 ClearAudio cartridge. I do not or will ever have a record cleaner machine. Nor do I have a separate phono pre-amp. I use the phono inputs on the Parasound P7 or the HK3390.

I think it's mostly nostalgia with me, and there is nothing wrong with that. I gave away my LP's several years ago. I still had some duplicates that were wrapped in plastic. I guess that shows how long the discs lasted, as I had many that I had replaced several times. It's a subjective hobby and some of us hear differences that may not be apparent to others. It's all in our heads anyway, but so is everything else. I did not know that the L-100's were some of the least accurate speakers JBL ever made. I enjoy the big sound. Maybe that's why I miss LP's. CD's sure are convinient, but then again so are MP3's, which I won't touch. Less is more sometimes.
post #13058 of 15026
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Originally Posted by mirkolop View Post

I think it's mostly nostalgia with me, and there is nothing wrong with that. I gave away my LP's several years ago. I still had some duplicates that were wrapped in plastic. I guess that shows how long the discs lasted, as I had many that I had replaced several times. It's a subjective hobby and some of us hear differences that may not be apparent to others. It's all in our heads anyway, but so is everything else. I did not know that the L-100's were some of the least accurate speakers JBL ever made. I enjoy the big sound. Maybe that's why I miss LP's. CD's sure are convinient, but then again so are MP3's, which I won't touch. Less is more sometimes.

It was that exact inaccurate sound I did not like about the L100. I always preferred the L55, despite the 14" woofer was crossed over @ 2000 htz,
Throughout the '70s, JBL never showed FR grafts, saying there was really no industry standard, or something along those lines.
As for LPs, I've had to trash can a few, that I could not get clean enough to make them listenable.
But I've had DVDs that did not last as long as my LPs, not even 1/2 life.
post #13059 of 15026
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

And I think the LPs sound very good played through both.

That's all that matters. You like it, even if I don't. smile.gif
post #13060 of 15026
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Originally Posted by mirkolop View Post

I did not know that the L-100's were some of the least accurate speakers JBL ever made. I enjoy the big sound.

Yes, it's true, but I love 'em just the same. Not only do I have my original pair from 1970, but I bought a second pair a few years back because, because... I just couldn't say no to such beauty at such a bargain price. Not only do I appreciate how they make LPs sound better (to me) but they make radio sound right, too. I suppose that's growing up with LPs, AM and FM radio, and cassettes listening on analog receivers through old school JBLs for a couple decades. biggrin.gif
Edited by filecat13 - 7/9/12 at 4:11pm
post #13061 of 15026
So...any thoughts on upgrading the l-100's? New crossovers? Titanium tweeters?
post #13062 of 15026
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Originally Posted by mirkolop View Post

So...any thoughts on upgrading the l-100's? New crossovers? Titanium tweeters?

The L100 Century had Ti tweeters. I plan on getting a pair of 052Ti to replace the aging 066 aluminum tweeters in my L212s.
post #13063 of 15026
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

The L100 Century had Ti tweeters. I plan on getting a pair of 052Ti to replace the aging 066 aluminum tweeters in my L212s.

The L100 & L100A Centuries have cloth tweeters LE20 and LE25, respectively.

The later L100t & L100t3 has the 035Ti and 035TiA, respectively

I have very fond memories of vinyl, BIC, Pioneer, and L100A, but the colored characteristics of the L100 and tube amps were probably ideal for the medium
post #13064 of 15026
Dear JBL-experts.

I'm new to JBL and I'm looking for a nice center speaker from them. I tried the STUDIO120 and I really liked it. Then I noticed the ES25 and now I'm stuck eek.gif

I can't seem to make up my mind concerning those two and I really need the help from you guys. Any suggestions, pros/cons or something that I should consider?
The STUDIO120
242
The ES25
142

My setup is at the moment:
Amplifier:
Onkyo TX-NR609

Front and surround:
Celestion MP1
Freq. Range 70hz-20kH (+/- 3dB)
Rating: 150W Max
Sensitivity: 90dB
Impedance: 8 Ohms

Best regards
smile.gif
post #13065 of 15026
I just bought the JBL ES80's from Fry's for $138 each and for a center channel the guy in there didn't recommend any JBL center. I also listened to the polk center CSI 3 and it sounded much better than the JBL that was wired in there, I'm not sure which one the JBL was. Is the polk CSI 3 a good center for the ES80's or is there something else I should be looking at? My receiver is an Onkyo TX-SR607, sub is a Definitive Technology - ProSub 800, and I have Martin Logan Motion 4's that I was using for fronts that will now be my rear speakers.

I should also ask for wiring the ES80's have 4 posts in the back, should I bi-wire all 4 posts or use just 2 of them?
post #13066 of 15026
it is recommended that speakers left, right and center are the same brand and line, so if you bought the speakers right and left of the line ES that you buy the center speaker of the line ES also.
This is the basic of basic and it is strange that the seller did not tell you this

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Originally Posted by baraant View Post

I just bought the JBL ES80's from Fry's for $138 each and for a center channel the guy in there didn't recommend any JBL center. I also listened to the polk center CSI 3 and it sounded much better than the JBL that was wired in there, I'm not sure which one the JBL was. Is the polk CSI 3 a good center for the ES80's or is there something else I should be looking at? My receiver is an Onkyo TX-SR607, sub is a Definitive Technology - ProSub 800, and I have Martin Logan Motion 4's that I was using for fronts that will now be my rear speakers.
I should also ask for wiring the ES80's have 4 posts in the back, should I bi-wire all 4 posts or use just 2 of them?
post #13067 of 15026
same recommendation for you , buy a celestion center speaker

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Originally Posted by vygnyr View Post

Dear JBL-experts.
I'm new to JBL and I'm looking for a nice center speaker from them. I tried the STUDIO120 and I really liked it. Then I noticed the ES25 and now I'm stuck eek.gif
I can't seem to make up my mind concerning those two and I really need the help from you guys. Any suggestions, pros/cons or something that I should consider?
The STUDIO120
242
The ES25
142
My setup is at the moment:
Amplifier:
Onkyo TX-NR609
Front and surround:
Celestion MP1
Freq. Range 70hz-20kH (+/- 3dB)
Rating: 150W Max
Sensitivity: 90dB
Impedance: 8 Ohms
Best regards
smile.gif
post #13068 of 15026
The polk center hasn't come out of the box yet, so it appears it's going back sometime this week, thanks.
post #13069 of 15026
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Originally Posted by apelbaum View Post

same recommendation for you , buy a celestion center speaker

Thank for the reply. They don't manufacture them anymore. I already own a Celestion CSC center speaker and it didn't do the job. Do you have a preference of the JBL I listed here above?
post #13070 of 15026
Yes, the speaker ES25c is far superior to the speaker studio 120c.
In your case if money allows buy the whole front trio with JBL speakers

if I were you buy a pair of JBL ES30 + JBL ES25c
if money is short then buy a pair of ES20 / ES10 speakers for left and right and then when you have more money buy the ES30 and put them as sorrounds.

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Originally Posted by vygnyr View Post

Thank for the reply. They don't manufacture them anymore. I already own a Celestion CSC center speaker and it didn't do the job. Do you have a preference of the JBL I listed here above?
post #13071 of 15026
If I were needing a JBL center, without getting too crazy, I get one of these.
http://www.harmanaudio.com/Search_Browse/product_detail.asp?urlMaterialNumber=NPC600BLK&status=

If you get the L & R too, you'll bet set up for a long time
post #13072 of 15026
I just picked up JBL LC1 and L810s for my living room, they are being mated to an Onkyo TX-NR609 and I also plan to grab a pair of L890s. This setup is replacing a 10 year old Kenwood HTIB and for the time being I am going to continue to use the 10" sub that came with that kit. Huge improvement with just the receiver, the LC1 came in and is hooked up and I LOVE what has happened in this room, the sound clarity is amazing. Thoughts on this setup? Will the receiver provide sufficient power to the speakers?
Edited by scullen - 7/13/12 at 6:15am
post #13073 of 15026
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Originally Posted by baraant View Post

The polk center hasn't come out of the box yet, so it appears it's going back sometime this week, thanks.

Wise decision indeed!

It sounds weird that the Fry's guy suggested a different brand for the CC though... lack of skill, to say the least...
post #13074 of 15026
I bought an EC35 from Craigslist and am very happy with it. Much better than the S model I had prviously. There is at least one on ebay now. They seem to go for around $100. Maybe you can find one nearby and avoid tha hassle and expense of shipping. It's a big, pretty speaker.
post #13075 of 15026
Congrats on your "new" center. It is very good, as you know.
post #13076 of 15026
I am very happy with my 5.1 set up at this time. Once I retire and get another house maybe there will be time for a room more suitable for HT. For now, I am using my family room. The HD Plasma is over the fireplace, in a nice nook created by built in bookshelves we had put in when we remodeled. The EC 35 is on the mantlepice, my JBL l-100s are in nooks in the bookcase, built just for them. Not real happy with that location as they are too close to the floor but I'll live with it. L820's as surrounds and Polk SWS 505 sub. I think that is the model of the sub, 12", 350 watts. Yamaha RXV 667 and Adcom 545II power amp for the L-100's. Not sure if I need the Adcom but it has been with me for a long time. The room is only 14X20 and I sit 12' away from the screen. Not bad for a poor immigrant like me! I'll post a picture sometime.

I really wanted the EC35 as it was the biggest speaker I could fit in the space. I found it by doing a nationwide search on Craigslist (google it). Found a guy in the Midwest I felt really confortable with and paid $85 including shipping. I was just like he represented...like new and still in the original box.
post #13077 of 15026
I want to know the people who have the LC2 which recommend whether to install it on a wall or in a cabinet or handle him better base floor. Likewise I would like to know how high drive when installed on a cabinet
post #13078 of 15026
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Originally Posted by WilliamDj View Post

I want to know the people who have the LC2 which recommend whether to install it on a wall or in a cabinet or handle him better base floor. Likewise I would like to know how high drive when installed on a cabinet

The LC2 is designed to be wall mounted. As such its mid-bass is strengthened by boundary reinforcement.
Mounting ANY speaker in a cabinet is not a preferred install. It is best to install below the screen.
post #13079 of 15026
I wish I could wall mount my LC2, to see what it would sound like. The problem is that my media cabinet is not flush against the wall (10 inches), and has a depth of 19 inches itself.
Because of that, I mounted my LCD television to a swing arm, which can bring the television almost even with the front of the media cabinet.
I've the L890s toed in slightly, with the fronts even with the front edge of the media cabinet, and the LC2 resting on top of the cabinet, flush with its front edge as well.

If I wall mounted the LC2, the media cabinet and my L890s would be in front of it by 23 inches, and the television would appear too far back if I didn't pull it forward to make it flush with the media cabinet.

Otherwise, my LC2 is sounding pretty clear, and seems loud enough for me when AV media demands performance...
post #13080 of 15026
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Originally Posted by PilotAce View Post

I wish I could wall mount my LC2, to see what it would sound like. The problem is that my media cabinet is not flush against the wall (10 inches), and has a depth of 19 inches itself.
Because of that, I mounted my LCD television to a swing arm, which can bring the television almost even with the front of the media cabinet.
I've the L890s toed in slightly, with the fronts even with the front edge of the media cabinet, and the LC2 resting on top of the cabinet, flush with its front edge as well.
If I wall mounted the LC2, the media cabinet and my L890s would be in front of it by 23 inches, and the television would appear too far back if I didn't pull it forward to make it flush with the media cabinet.
Otherwise, my LC2 is sounding pretty clear, and seems loud enough for me when AV media demands performance...

I looked at your profile pic. You have your center about how I had my center when I had a 65" rptv, tilted back in front of the tv and raised as high as I could get it, which was about 4" being it was 24" tall. Placing the top just below the bottom of the screen.

Too bad your room is so narrow, otherwise you could have shifted the equipment stand to the L or R and wall mount the LC2 right below the center of the screen.
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