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post #13531 of 14072
2/1/13 at 4:01am
To bigglesworth, have you tried using a wand of a vacuum cleaner to suck out the tweeter domes? Many times it works, sometimes not. That trick did not work on my old 066, but did on the thinner Ti tweeter on the PT800.

But do not sell those speakers, you'll be kicking yourself in the ass after.
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post #13532 of 14072
2/1/13 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by IslandStylin View Post

Does anyone here own the JBL Sub150P? Thoughts?

Trying to pull the trigger on a subwoofer. Either this one or the BIC F12.

I believe the 150P is the one packaged with the JBL SB300 Soundbar, which I own. Looks identical anyway.

It's fine but I haven't really pushed it at all since it's in a game/living area of our house, hence the soundbar setup. It's right below of my kid's bedroom so we haven't ever put it to the test.

Is yours for home theater use? What is the rest of your setup?
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post #13533 of 14072
2/1/13 at 12:54pm
4DHD

Thanks for the tips. I will try to use suction. it will require a bit of disassembly due to the one wire guard running longitudinally down the face of them both. Thanks for taking the time and giving your opinion.
Edited by bigglesworth - 2/1/13 at 1:04pm
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post #13534 of 14072
2/1/13 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by filecat13 View Post

Ti6K and Ti1K

That's a lucky grab. smile.gif Not necessarily everyone's cup of tea, but a delicious cup if you like it.

If you were still in LA I'd offer you $1800 cash on the spot, considering the damage and cost of making them right. But as stated above, they'll probably sound pretty good even without the damaged tweeters being fixed. If you do intend to fix them, it's better sooner than later, since parts are likely in short supply already and may be really hard to find in the future. You can't just stick any tweeter in there, since the crossovers were built with those specific tweets response characteristics in mind.

They were built by JBL in Denmark and have that nice Scandanavian furniture quality to them, and the drivers are very good.

It looks like the gold straps are missing on the bottom. These would normally connect the treble, midrange, and bass inputs in parallel. In their absence, you'll either need to connect them using speaker wire--no big deal-- or tri-amp them using three stereo amplifiers and an external crossover--big deal. I'm guessing that since they're gone, the original owner must have had them tri-amped.

If I were in LA, that would have to be something to consider! As far as the parts, and purchasing them for replacement, that was the answer I was looking for and expected. But, hearing this advice from people loyal and experienced with the brand carries a lot more gravity with me. I think I am going to pull the trigger on those tweeters, and install them once we are out of the toddler phase. That's a complete bummer about the gold straps being missing. I may try and do some research and see if can acquire some, or perhaps have some machined and plated. I would just have to find the appropriate metal for conductivity and plating. filecat13, thanks for taking some time and offering your advice and opinions, it is highly appreciated.
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post #13535 of 14072
2/1/13 at 1:07pm
howaboutthat41


Thanks for your suggestions. I will hook them up and give them a listen, and see if the tweeters are FUBAR or not. Then, I will remove the drivers and do some poking around inside. Thanks for the response and the insight.
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post #13536 of 14072
2/1/13 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by bigglesworth View Post

howaboutthat41


Thanks for your suggestions. I will hook them up and give them a listen, and see if the tweeters are FUBAR or not. Then, I will remove the drivers and do some poking around inside. Thanks for the response and the insight.

Sure -- if everything sounds great, you may wish to pass on the removal and poking around. "First, do no harm," (or something like that) as the physicians' code says.
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post #13537 of 14072
2/1/13 at 1:18pm
bigglesworth, speaker wire will work as good or even better than the metal straps.
But if you want to restore to original, then you need the straps.
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post #13538 of 14072
2/1/13 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

bigglesworth, speaker wire will work as good or even better than the metal straps.
But if you want to restore to original, then you need the straps.

Once again, solid advice!! Restoring them to original isn't a priority, replacing the my other speaerks I left in CO with a friend on a cursed road trip is. I will wire them up, and give them a shot. Now, to rehab my HARMAN KARDON PM655 vxi cleaned up and ready to power them. I will be running them off a pretty basic Yamaha RX-V567BL until I get the H/K's pots cleaned. Thanks for taking the time to get back to me, I really appreciate the effort and insight.
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post #13539 of 14072
2/3/13 at 12:00am
Any thoughts about buying a new AVR for JBL ES 2x100/25/2x30?
What would be an optimal price point for this set up?
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post #13540 of 14072
2/3/13 at 3:18am
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Originally Posted by Tony_Montana View Post

Any thoughts about buying a new AVR for JBL ES 2x100/25/2x30?
What would be an optimal price point for this set up?
HK avrs the older models which are being replaced (3600, 3650, 2600, 2650) or the newer 700, 1700.
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post #13541 of 14072
2/4/13 at 8:59am
Hi: I posted earlier in this thread, but have narrowed my choices a bit further now. Would love to hear from someone who owns or has experience with either or both of these speakers.

I'm putting together a new HT speaker system.

An Onkyo TX-NR708 is driving the speakers, with the front left and right channels sent via pre-out to an old B&K Reference 4430 (200 watts/channel).

I've narrowed my choice down to the JBL ES line, based on the heavy discounts on this line currently, and generally solid reviews.

So that would mean:

Sub: JBL ES250P
Center: JBL ES25C
Surrounds: JBL ES10

My question is on the fronts. I'd ideally like to stick with bookshelf speakers on stands, which leaves me with the option of going with the JBL ES20 or the ES30.

Has anyone heard both speakers? Any comments on the differences between the two, other than what can be gleaned from the specs?
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post #13542 of 14072
2/4/13 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by andrewcoffin View Post

Hi: I posted earlier in this thread, but have narrowed my choices a bit further now. Would love to hear from someone who owns or has experience with either or both of these speakers.

I'm putting together a new HT speaker system.

An Onkyo TX-NR708 is driving the speakers, with the front left and right channels sent via pre-out to an old B&K Reference 4430 (200 watts/channel).

I've narrowed my choice down to the JBL ES line, based on the heavy discounts on this line currently, and generally solid reviews.

So that would mean:

Sub: JBL ES250P
Center: JBL ES25C
Surrounds: JBL ES10

My question is on the fronts. I'd ideally like to stick with bookshelf speakers on stands, which leaves me with the option of going with the JBL ES20 or the ES30.

Has anyone heard both speakers? Any comments on the differences between the two, other than what can be gleaned from the specs?

If you're going to put the fronts on stands, why not pickup the ES80's? I just put together a new system and used those as my fronts. So far, I love them. With the advice of users here, I paired them up with the older EC35 center channel and I'm very glad with that decision!

I'm looking at using the ES20's for my surrounds. For me personally, there is no way I'd pay the premium for the ES30's. $130 for the ES20's or $400 for the ES30's.

Good Luck!
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post #13543 of 14072
2/4/13 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by garrickb View Post

, there is no way I'd pay the premium for the ES30's. $130 for the ES20's or $400 for the ES30's.

Good Luck!

FWIW, the ES30 is easily 2x the speaker that the ES20 is. The difference between a 6.5" woof and a 5.5" woof is more than you might think.
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post #13544 of 14072
2/4/13 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

FWIW, the ES30 is easily 2x the speaker that the ES20 is. The difference between a 6.5" woof and a 5.5" woof is more than you might think.

I could see that if you were choosing a smaller setup for fronts, but do you think it's worth it for surrounds?

Just looked and Amazon has the ES30's for $199. Ships in 4-6 months...... I might do it, since I have temporary surrounds. Thoughts?
Edited by garrickb - 2/4/13 at 2:06pm
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post #13545 of 14072
2/4/13 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

FWIW, the ES30 is easily 2x the speaker that the ES20 is. The difference between a 6.5" woof and a 5.5" woof is more than you might think.

That is Very true and FWIW i own both. Also the ES30's are quite a bit smoother sounding in the HF. Which I believe is because of it's UHF tweeter's crossover being 3,000Hz lower
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Originally Posted by garrickb View Post

I could see that if you were choosing a smaller setup for fronts, but do you think it's worth it for surrounds?

Certainly not worth the price difference for that use
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post #13546 of 14072
2/4/13 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by garrickb View Post

If you're going to put the fronts on stands, why not pickup the ES80's? I just put together a new system and used those as my fronts. So far, I love them. With the advice of users here, I paired them up with the older EC35 center channel and I'm very glad with that decision!

I'm looking at using the ES20's for my surrounds. For me personally, there is no way I'd pay the premium for the ES30's. $130 for the ES20's or $400 for the ES30's.

Good Luck!

Thanks for the reply. I've considered going with the ES80. With floor stands, the bookshelf speakers don't really take up an less space, but they look much less imposing in the room. (That's important to my wife.) Also, even with Fry's running a great deal on the ES80 right now, they'd still be a slightly larger investment...it is tempting though.

If Amazon gets the ES30s back in stock, they can be had for $199, making them just a $70 premium over the ES20. (The ES80 pair at Fry's is $288, which is admittedly a great deal.)
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post #13547 of 14072
2/4/13 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by BOOM85 View Post

That is Very true and FWIW i own both. Also the ES30's are quite a bit smoother sounding in the HF. Which I believe is because of it's UHF tweeter's crossover being 3,000Hz lower
Certainly not worth the price difference for that use
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Originally Posted by BOOM85 View Post

That is Very true and FWIW i own both. Also the ES30's are quite a bit smoother sounding in the HF. Which I believe is because of it's UHF tweeter's crossover being 3,000Hz lower
Certainly not worth the price difference for that use

Thanks -- this is helpful. So for a modest price difference, you would say the ES30s are clearly the way to go (as fronts matched with the ES25C center and ES250P sub)?
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post #13548 of 14072
2/4/13 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by andrewcoffin View Post


Thanks -- this is helpful. So for a modest price difference, you would say the ES30s are clearly the way to go (as fronts matched with the ES25C center and ES250P sub)?

Absolutely smile.gif
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post #13549 of 14072
2/4/13 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by BOOM85 View Post

Absolutely smile.gif

Are you using yours as fronts or surrounds? Have you compared the ES30s to the ES80s?
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post #13550 of 14072
2/4/13 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by andrewcoffin View Post

Thanks for the reply. I've considered going with the ES80. With floor stands, the bookshelf speakers don't really take up an less space, but they look much less imposing in the room. (That's important to my wife.) Also, even with Fry's running a great deal on the ES80 right now, they'd still be a slightly larger investment...it is tempting though.

If Amazon gets the ES30s back in stock, they can be had for $199, making them just a $70 premium over the ES20. (The ES80 pair at Fry's is $288, which is admittedly a great deal.)

I hear ya, it was a hard sell to the wife when she saw the ES80 boxes. If you have the room and the wife approves, I'd get the ES80's. I picked mine up at Frys a couple weeks ago for $274 for a pair.

Also, you don't really need to match the sub. I'd shop around and listen to a few, especially depending on your room size. Compare the specs of the EC35 and ES25C, then check Craiglist for an EC35. I picked mine up in like new condition for $70.
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post #13551 of 14072
2/4/13 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by andrewcoffin View Post

Are you using yours as fronts or surrounds? Have you compared the ES30s to the ES80s?

I've used the ES30's for both and currently as surrounds.

I own the ES90's and there's a BIG difference SQ between the two. Which can also be safely said about the ES80's vs ES30's
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post #13552 of 14072
2/4/13 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by BOOM85 View Post

I've used the ES30's for both and currently as surrounds.

I own the ES90's and there's a BIG difference SQ between the two. Which can also be safely said about the ES80's vs ES30's

Well, you're making this decision tough -- I thought I was pretty set on the ES30. But I can get the ES80 now (ES30 doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere for a decent price). Matched with the ES250P sub, will I really notice much of a difference between the ES80 and the ES30? I've always assumed that the primary (though not exclusive) value of larger tower speakers was the low end...
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post #13553 of 14072
2/4/13 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by andrewcoffin View Post

Well, you're making this decision tough -- I thought I was pretty set on the ES30. But I can get the ES80 now (ES30 doesn't seem to be in stock anywhere for a decent price). Matched with the ES250P sub, will I really notice much of a difference between the ES80 and the ES30? I've always assumed that the primary (though not exclusive) value of larger tower speakers was the low end...

Just let your wife know that with the improved clarity of the towers you can actually listen at lower volumes and still hear better. It might work. biggrin.gif
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post #13554 of 14072
2/5/13 at 3:27am
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Originally Posted by mikeronesia View Post

Just let your wife know that with the improved clarity of the towers you can actually listen at lower volumes and still hear better. It might work. biggrin.gif
There is another thread going on right now where some posters believe the opposite is true, that bookshelf speakers are better than towers as they are more detailed and such. They are claiming that a driver running from, say 28hz ~ 700hz muddles things up.
My opinion is, using speakers say like the Revel Salon2 and the Gem2, they should be close to the same except for the bass region.
As the tweeters, midrange, mid-bass are drivers are just about the same. In the case of the Salon2, its baffle is much more sophisticated than the Gem.
Edited by 4DHD - 2/5/13 at 3:35am
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post #13555 of 14072
2/5/13 at 5:40am
^^^
Apples and oranges.
You can't generalize about towers vs bookshelf, and both types benefit from using a sub.
It's certainly true that some models of bookshelfs have better blending of mid-bass, mid and highs due to the drivers and crossovers used. But a good 4-way tower easily accomplishes the same thing. IMHO with a 3-way design the 8" woofer is ideal for blending mid-bass and mid freq performance. Such a design is available in both bookshelf and towers.
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post #13556 of 14072
2/5/13 at 5:49am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

^^^
Apples and oranges.
You can't generalize about towers vs bookshelf, and both types benefit from using a sub.
It's certainly true that some models of bookshelfs have better blending of mid-bass, mid and highs due to the drivers and crossovers used. But a good 4-way tower easily accomplishes the same thing. IMHO with a 3-way design the 8" woofer is ideal for blending mid-bass and mid freq performance. Such a design is available in both bookshelf and towers.

I used that exact model type (8" 3-way) in that discussion as not having those problems they were all claiming to exist in full range speakers.

And the added advantage of such a sealed design, its acoustical roll off. So even it there was no sub to produce the bass and no external XO used, that 3-way is not trying to produce those frequencies, as it may have an 18db or 24db slope. I forget what the slope is on the PT800.
Edited by 4DHD - 2/5/13 at 5:56am
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post #13557 of 14072
2/5/13 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by mikeronesia View Post

Just let your wife know that with the improved clarity of the towers you can actually listen at lower volumes and still hear better. It might work. biggrin.gif

Well, you all convinced me...after getting an email from Amazon saying the ES30s would not ship until June or July (!), that sealed the deal. (My order must have prompted some inventory research by Amazon, as the speakers were not showing a 4-6 month wait time when I initially ordered.)

So I bought the ES80s from Fry's and will install later tonight. I hope they work out for our room/system -- under $300 for a pair of speakers that originally retailed for $1,100 seems lik it should be a good value.

Any advice on installing these?

As mentioned in a previous post, I have a B&K Reference 4430 3-channel amp driving my fronts currently. This amp is 200 watts/channel, but cannot be biwired. I could biwire from the 708, however, if I run the ES80s directly from there....
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post #13558 of 14072
2/5/13 at 12:28pm
One more question, exposing my ignorance...

I've never used the third channel on the B&K 4430 amp. Can I or should I hook up an amp rated at 200 watts/channel ( 8 ohms) to a speaker like the ES25C with a Maximum Recommended Amplifier Power of 150 watts?
Edited by andrewcoffin - 2/5/13 at 4:39pm
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post #13559 of 14072
2/5/13 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by andrewcoffin View Post

One more question, exposing my ignorance...

I've never used the third channel on the B&K 4430 amp. Can I or should I hook up an amp rated at 200 watts/channel ( 8 ohms) to a speaker like the ES25C with a Maximum Recommended Amplifier Power of 15 watts?

More speakers are damaged by too little power, than too much.
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post #13560 of 14072
2/5/13 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by andrewcoffin View Post

One more question, exposing my ignorance...

I've never used the third channel on the B&K 4430 amp. Can I or should I hook up an amp rated at 200 watts/channel ( 8 ohms) to a speaker like the ES25C with a Maximum Recommended Amplifier Power of 15 watts?

the ES25 is rated for 150W, not 15. In any case it'll be fine as long as you don't get crazy.
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