Originally Posted by Mudslide
You will notice I didn't reference your comment about speaker weights. Those I weren't questioning.
But I was not at all vague in asking you to prove what you factualized ..not what you stated "in you own opinion". You simply stated as facts things which are not true. Reread your first post. I grant that this is a subjective hobby. But littering the forums with comments like "10-12 years ago the center speakers were always the weak link in systems" misleads those new to our hobby and who are looking to spend their money on speakers. You said something quite different and appreciated in this post. We now know that stating such was based upon your audition of a couple of center speakers. Thanks for the clarification.
And I'd be interested in what DVD-A discs you have that don't use the center channel.
First off, I auditioned more than a couple of centers....the numbers would be in the dozens...AND THEY WERE the weak link, from the time of dolby surround sound ~ DPL. In fact the first surround receiver I had (DPL) only had a pre out for the center channel, the thinking being, "you can use your TV's speaker for the center channel, thus we only supply a pre out!!"
There were, at the time, many reviews of 5.1 systems that made the same comment about the center speaker lacking compared to the rest of the system. Back then most centers were straight MTM. Which might be good if you're sitting dead center, but if you're sitting off to one side or the other...not so good. And that is NOT opinion, that is true fact
. Most any speaker designer will admit to the fact that most horizontal centers are a compromise, even today.
It was not until after DD, DTS, DVD-A/SACD that forced the speaker manufacturers into making better centers, such as the JBL PC600, which did not come out until about 2001. Or twelve years ago. But there were at the time of DVD-A introduction still more bad centers than good ones.
All the better
centers manufactured since usually have the HF and MF drivers vertically aligned.
There have been dozens and dozens of people complaining on this forum, Home Theater Shack, Audioholics and others that their center speaker sucked. B/C they could not hear the dialog over the soundtrack from the L/R. Even if they bumped up the center channel 2, 3, 4 db.
And I would venture 80% or more of those people had bought a straight MTM center. That lacked a midrange driver.
So in no way am I misleading anyone new to audio/HT. In fact there were many who after the fact, thanked me for showing them the reasons behind the problem of their center speaker. They took my advise and greatly improved their lacking dialog.
Occasionally, their biggest problem was the placement of the center, not the quality of the center.
As for which of my DVD-A/SACDs lack any or very little in the center channel, I'd have to make a list as I listen to them.
One that does come to mind is Elvis' 30 #1 hits DVD-A...the entire disc, the center channel was never used.
When I first listened to that disc I thought WTF! But it is not the only one, I can't remember which ones maybe just have some instrumental and which have nothing...But there are some that do have the lead singer's voice in the center.