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post #13891 of 15025
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Originally Posted by RedLefty View Post

Not sure if it's an upgrade, but my opinion is that you should sell me the L820s and the LC2. Highly discounted, of course. biggrin.gif

Sorry, I haven't heard those Polk speakers so can't compare.

hehehehe I´m in Colombia actually so is a little complicated

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Originally Posted by juanchibiris View Post

Hi everyone do you think replace a JBL L820, LC2 front stage with Polk Audio rti12, Csi5 would be an upgrade or a downgrade? I really don´t need the big towers because I have a big sub, just want to know if anyone had both or have an opinion about this?

Thanks.

Anyone else have an opinion about this?

Thanks
post #13892 of 15025
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Originally Posted by juanchibiris View Post

hehehehe I´m in Colombia actually so is a little complicated
Anyone else have an opinion about this?

Thanks
I can not say to the rti12. But from the Polks I have auditioned, they are inferior to most JBLs.
I do not know what Harman dealers you have over there...we have a Harman Pro shop here in Cuenca that also sells consumer JBLs.
post #13893 of 15025
Hello JBL Owners Thread. Thought I would run this up in here and get some thoughts. There is a set of Northridge E Series speakers up on the local craigs that includes E80's, EC25, E20's, and E10's...all in Beech finish. My brother is interested in the set. Owner says he has only used the E80's and EC25. The E20's and E10's have never even been used. They have been up for a few weeks and he has dropped the price a few times. He is now down to $400 for the set, and says he will also throw in a Yamaha receiver (older model...pre HDMI) for free. Not really interested in the receiver though. Maybe we can talk him down even more.

What do you guys consider to be a fair price for this set? I am thinking $400 seems a pretty good price, but $350 would be even better! Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, Thanks in advance.
Edited by sacflies - 4/7/13 at 1:44pm
post #13894 of 15025
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

thanks for your input.

basically what i am asking is this:



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has anyone tried both configurations with direct radiating speakers and have come to a definitive conclusion? this will really save me time and trouble of getting yelled at by the wife for drilling so many holes on the wall.

basically my receiver, Pioneer VSX 1120K has an option setting for either of those two configurations. i am just wondering which one will give a better and more realistic surround experience.

Interesting discussion. I too have been contemplating a 7.1 setup for my main TV room. Currently have a 5.1 setup with Yamaha RX-V671 AVR, E90 fronts, EC35 center, E10 surrounds (mounted in the back corners like setup #2 in your post), and a BIC V1020 sub in the front left corner of the room. Problem is my couch is flush up against the back wall and it is a pretty narrow room so I can't move the couch off the back wall. And what I am reading is I probably wouldn't benefit much going to a 7.1 setup. But, if I did, should I mount the new pair of speakers (would be another pair of E10's) on the side walls or the back wall aligned roughly where the fronts are? I also like listening to music off my Yamaha MCX-1000 MusicCast (yeah I know...I'm behind the times...but I got the MusicCast server for $20 off craigslist and put in a 750GB hard drive...pretty sweet!) in 7 channel mode, so it would really fill the room with sound with a 7.1 setup. So would a side wall mount or back wall mount be best for my situation? Thanks for any help.
post #13895 of 15025
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Originally Posted by sacflies View Post

Interesting discussion. I too have been contemplating a 7.1 setup for my main TV room. Currently have a 5.1 setup with Yamaha RX-V671 AVR, E90 fronts, EC35 center, E10 surrounds (mounted in the back corners like setup #2 in your post), and a BIC V1020 sub in the front left corner of the room. Problem is my couch is flush up against the back wall and it is a pretty narrow room so I can't move the couch off the back wall. And what I am reading is I probably wouldn't benefit much going to a 7.1 setup. But, if I did, should I mount the new pair of speakers (would be another pair of E10's) on the side walls or the back wall aligned roughly where the fronts are? I also like listening to music off my Yamaha MCX-1000 MusicCast (yeah I know...I'm behind the times...but I got the MusicCast server for $20 off craigslist and put in a 750GB hard drive...pretty sweet!) in 7 channel mode, so it would really fill the room with sound with a 7.1 setup. So would a side wall mount or back wall mount be best for my situation? Thanks for any help.

You will not gain enough going to 7.1 to warrant the cost, even if dirt cheap. Having the surrounds in the corner on 45* angle is your best choice, having no room behind the sofa. For 7.1 to be effective, you need at least 4 ft from the sofa to rear wall.
post #13896 of 15025
Got a set of the ES30's for my computer in my office. Love them. They have real nice crisp sound, and when EQ'd, can get some good bass response. They look kind of odd sitting on my desk with my 27" monitor, so I have been thinking about making some custom stands for them. I got these after I had received a set of andrew jones pioneer bookshelfs, that the tweeter was blown. I love those speakers, but these have much better response above 9Khz. The andrew jones bookshelf's tapered off, but it is the tweeter choice that caused that. Wonderful speakers though.
post #13897 of 15025
Welcome to AVS! And the JBL Owners Thread.
You can never have too many JBLs. smile.gif
post #13898 of 15025
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Originally Posted by sacflies View Post

Interesting discussion. I too have been contemplating a 7.1 setup for my main TV room. Currently have a 5.1 setup with Yamaha RX-V671 AVR, E90 fronts, EC35 center, E10 surrounds (mounted in the back corners like setup #2 in your post), and a BIC V1020 sub in the front left corner of the room. Problem is my couch is flush up against the back wall and it is a pretty narrow room so I can't move the couch off the back wall. And what I am reading is I probably wouldn't benefit much going to a 7.1 setup. But, if I did, should I mount the new pair of speakers (would be another pair of E10's) on the side walls or the back wall aligned roughly where the fronts are? I also like listening to music off my Yamaha MCX-1000 MusicCast (yeah I know...I'm behind the times...but I got the MusicCast server for $20 off craigslist and put in a 750GB hard drive...pretty sweet!) in 7 channel mode, so it would really fill the room with sound with a 7.1 setup. So would a side wall mount or back wall mount be best for my situation? Thanks for any help.

i got my 4 L820's about two weeks ago and had it setup with side surrounds on the sides and rear surrounds in the rear (fig 2). i have to say it fills the space really well. my living room is big. it stretches the limit of a mid size living room. i sit about 11~12ft away from my 60 inch LED, and front speakers are about 12ft from me, and there's about another 11~12 ft between my couch and the back wall. i can vouch that in 7.1 having the the side surround on the sides, and rear surrounds in the rear achieve a complete envelope effect. before with the 5.1, even with rear surrounds at 45 degree angle in the back, there were still some sonic holes, particularly between the surround and the mains, and directly behind the listener, but now just feels like you're completely wrapped around with sound. having said that, if you can get your hands on a REAL cheap set of additional speakers, i would definitely experiment. but start with Figure 2. maybe since yo have your couch against the back wall, i would have the rear surrounds on the back wall facing the tv, and side surrounds on the side walls facing the listener. make sure you don't have any surround speakers pointing directly at your ears, you want the surround speakers few feet above ear level and facing the room to create a diffused effect.

edit: btw, i asked JBL customer service tier 2 support about how i should place my speakers, they confirmed that you should place the side surrounds directly on the sides, and rear speakers in the rear. and if you have three rows of seating, the side surround should be in the middle row.
post #13899 of 15025
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

i got my 4 L820's about two weeks ago and had it setup with side surrounds on the sides and rear surrounds in the rear (fig 2). i have to say it fills the space really well. my living room is big. it stretches the limit of a mid size living room. i sit about 11~12ft away from my 60 inch LED, and front speakers are about 12ft from me, and there's about another 11~12 ft between my couch and the back wall. i can vouch that in 7.1 having the the side surround on the sides, and rear surrounds in the rear achieve a complete envelope effect. before with the 5.1, even with rear surrounds at 45 degree angle in the back, there were still some sonic holes, particularly between the surround and the mains, and directly behind the listener, but now just feels like you're completely wrapped around with sound. having said that, if you can get your hands on a REAL cheap set of additional speakers, i would definitely experiment. but start with Figure 2. maybe since yo have your couch against the back wall, i would have the rear surrounds on the back wall facing the tv, and side surrounds on the side walls facing the listener. make sure you don't have any surround speakers pointing directly at your ears, you want the surround speakers few feet above ear level and facing the room to create a diffused effect.

edit: btw, i asked JBL customer service tier 2 support about how i should place my speakers, they confirmed that you should place the side surrounds directly on the sides, and rear speakers in the rear. and if you have three rows of seating, the side surround should be in the middle row.

Yep, having enough space behind the sofa is really the key to having a good 7.1 system. In the house I sold 4 years ago, I had 7+ ft to all 4 surrounds, with the side speakers at 90* and all 4 70" to their tops above the floor. And the RS spaced about 9.5 ft apart.
post #13900 of 15025
Got tired of waiting for my JBL 810s that have been on back-order for over 3 months. Decided to plunk down the extra $ and went with the JBLs L820s. They match my L890s and my LC2 center. I'm a happy camper right now! biggrin.gif











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Nice, they look really sharp in cherry. What position are you using them in?
post #13902 of 15025
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

Nice, they look really sharp in cherry. What position are you using them in?
Thanks.
They are my suppose to be my surrounds in my 5.1 setup. Unfortunately they are currently front facing on top of our entertainment center. Trying to work on the wifey to mount them as true side surrounds. Running speaker wires and wall mounting does not have a high WAF in my house. smile.gif

They do sound Unbelievable though! biggrin.gif
And yes they look Gorgeous! I paid a premium for the Cherry cabinets , but I Love the look!
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^^^ wow.. i had no idea those Cherry ones are this good looking. nice!.

for the wires.. you can go to lowes and get those wiremates that you can run along the wall. they hide really well and blends really well, and you can even paint over them. i have my 7.1 setup all with those wire mates and they're barely noticeable and blends with the surroundings.
post #13904 of 15025
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

^^^ wow.. i had no idea those Cherry ones are this good looking. nice!.

for the wires.. you can go to lowes and get those wiremates that you can run along the wall. they hide really well and blends really well, and you can even paint over them. i have my 7.1 setup all with those wire mates and they're barely noticeable and blends with the surroundings.

Thanks for the tip on the wiremates. I will check them out.

How was it wall mounting the 820s??

Those are some Heavy speakers.

Was it difficult??
post #13905 of 15025
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Originally Posted by VINYLFREAK4 View Post

Thanks for the tip on the wiremates. I will check them out.

How was it wall mounting the 820s??

Those are some Heavy speakers.

Was it difficult??

i almost fell off a ladder. make sure you have someone help you out. one person needs to hold it up while another person connect the wires. they're 20lbs each, so it's impossible to hold it up and connect it all by yourself. unless you connect the wires and mount them first and then figure out the wires later, it's definitely two person job.
post #13906 of 15025
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

^^^ wow.. i had no idea those Cherry ones are this good looking. nice!.

I may get a little blowback from those who need a dead tree to be satisfied, but I think some of these fake finishes look exceptional and have several advantages over real wood. For one thing, they're easier to maintain. For another, the cabinets are superior performance-wise to any solid wood enclosure, and the addition of wood veneer does nothing to improve them sonically.

Real veneer has a 50-50 change of looking good, depending on the stock it comes from, how it's cut and matched, and how well it's stained and finished. I've seen some tragic looking real wood veneers. Plus it's a hassle to take care of it properly, it splits, it separates, it peels, it stains, it fades, it dents, it scratches, blah, blah blah.

Of course some of these things can happen to laminates, too, but they're far less likely. Laminates just hold up better. Now that they're starting to look so good, it's IMO a better option than real veneer in mass production units.

Even my K2 S9900s are not real wood. I've seen the K2s in real wood veneer and in the laminate finish, and the laminate is hands down the better choice.

Now for custom builds or super high priced gear where the time is taken to use select, matched veneers and expert finishes, then wood veneer makes sense to me. But in today's manufacturing environment with the ability to make a finish as nice as on those L820s, save the end user some money and save a tree.
post #13907 of 15025
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Originally Posted by VINYLFREAK4 View Post

Thanks.
They are my suppose to be my surrounds in my 5.1 setup. Unfortunately they are currently front facing on top of our entertainment center. Trying to work on the wifey to mount them as true side surrounds. Running speaker wires and wall mounting does not have a high WAF in my house. smile.gif

They do sound Unbelievable though! biggrin.gif
And yes they look Gorgeous! I paid a premium for the Cherry cabinets , but I Love the look!

I was considering picking up a set in black for my front high's.
post #13908 of 15025
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Originally Posted by juanchibiris View Post

hehehehe I´m in Colombia actually so is a little complicated
Anyone else have an opinion about this?

Thanks

Thought I would chime in as I have heard the RTi-A9s in a couple of different settings (newer version of the RTi-12) and I own the L820s and an LC2. I am a JBL fanboy but actually love the RTi A9/12 for the money. They go easily deeper than any floorstander I've heard (admittedly I haven't heard as many as some others here), have terrific power handling and sound pretty clean. Having said this, I feel that if you have the L820s with a big sub, the change would be more of a side-grade than an upgrade. Changing to a CSi5 from an LC2 is almost certainly a downgrade. If you want to upgrade your system, just get some L890s and move the L820s to surround duty to get a 5 channel system!


My 2c
post #13909 of 15025
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Originally Posted by filecat13 View Post

I may get a little blowback from those who need a dead tree to be satisfied, but I think some of these fake finishes look exceptional and have several advantages over real wood. For one thing, they're easier to maintain. For another, the cabinets are superior performance-wise to any solid wood enclosure, and the addition of wood veneer does nothing to improve them sonically.

Real veneer has a 50-50 change of looking good, depending on the stock it comes from, how it's cut and matched, and how well it's stained and finished. I've seen some tragic looking real wood veneers. Plus it's a hassle to take care of it properly, it splits, it separates, it peels, it stains, it fades, it dents, it scratches, blah, blah blah.

Of course some of these things can happen to laminates, too, but they're far less likely. Laminates just hold up better. Now that they're starting to look so good, it's IMO a better option than real veneer in mass production units.

Even my K2 S9900s are not real wood. I've seen the K2s in real wood veneer and in the laminate finish, and the laminate is hands down the better choice.

Now for custom builds or super high priced gear where the time is taken to use select, matched veneers and expert finishes, then wood veneer makes sense to me. But in today's manufacturing environment with the ability to make a finish as nice as on those L820s, save the end user some money and save a tree.

I would really have to agree with filecat13.
Even though the Cabinets of the L820s are not solid Cherry or even Cherry veneer , the process JBL uses looks Exceptional.
My L890s and my LC-2 have the same great finish.
Our house has a lot of Real Wood furniture in it. In addition to being a Stereo and Home Theater addict , my wife and I also collect and restore antiques. We usually restore and refinish 3 or 4 pieces a year. Many times we might have to re veneer pieces in the process. I have a fondness for Antique Radios , Phonographs and TVs etc..... The Cherry JBLs look great next to some of our antique restored pieces. You would never guess they weren't real wood construction. Just my 2c.
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Originally Posted by Avgass View Post

Thought I would chime in as I have heard the RTi-A9s in a couple of different settings (newer version of the RTi-12) and I own the L820s and an LC2. I am a JBL fanboy but actually love the RTi A9/12 for the money. They go easily deeper than any floorstander I've heard (admittedly I haven't heard as many as some others here), have terrific power handling and sound pretty clean. Having said this, I feel that if you have the L820s with a big sub, the change would be more of a side-grade than an upgrade. Changing to a CSi5 from an LC2 is almost certainly a downgrade. If you want to upgrade your system, just get some L890s and move the L820s to surround duty to get a 5 channel system!


My 2c

Thanks for the reply, I already have a 5.1 system, my surrounds are Paragidm ADP-390 I think they are a lot better for surround than the L820, my subwoofer is an MFW-15, I see a lot of people doesn´t like that sub but to me that subwoofer is great, never had a problem with it.
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Guy with the Northridge E Series set (e80s,ec25,e20s,and e10s) texted me and said I can have the set for $300. I think that is too good to pass up! Not like the beauties you guys are picking up. But still a pretty darn good deal for the money. May have to grab them.
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Originally Posted by sacflies View Post

Guy with the Northridge E Series set (e80s,ec25,e20s,and e10s) texted me and said I can have the set for $300. I think that is too good to pass up! Not like the beauties you guys are picking up. But still a pretty darn good deal for the money. May have to grab them.

Yes, tough to resist. smile.gif
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Hi JBL fans...I haven't been on this thread for a long time or even post often but I am excited to share that I own a pair of JBL Studio 530's bookshelves and JBL Studio 520 Center. I love these speakers. I have them hooked up to a Yamaha RX-A3020. My receiver seem to have plenty of power to push these speakers but for some reason I am so tempted to purchase the Emotiva XPR-5 which is probably overkill for these speakers. Especially the fact that these speakers are rated at 150 watts RMS per channel and the Emotiva puts out 400 watts per channel @ 8 ohms however, the JBL's are 6 ohm. So does anyone have any opinions? Should i be concerned of blowing these speakers? Am I going to hear a major difference in sound quality. I am more concerned with getting more dynamic range and superior sound quality (full deep sound). Is this a good combination? or Should I consider the smaller Emovtiva XPA-5 which is 200 watts x 5 @ 8 ohms? Or should I consider a different Amp all together that would be a better combination with my system? I use 70 percent for home theater and 30 percent for music. Eventually, I plan on purchasing the floor standing JBL Studio 590s which definitely can handle more power. Any thoughts? smile.gif
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Originally Posted by don480 View Post

Hi JBL fans...I haven't been on this thread for a long time or even post often but I am excited to share that I own a pair of JBL Studio 530's bookshelves and JBL Studio 520 Center. I love these speakers. I have them hooked up to a Yamaha RX-A3020. My receiver seem to have plenty of power to push these speakers but for some reason I am so tempted to purchase the Emotiva XPR-5 which is probably overkill for these speakers. Especially the fact that these speakers are rated at 150 watts RMS per channel and the Emotiva puts out 400 watts per channel @ 8 ohms however, the JBL's are 6 ohm. So does anyone have any opinions? Should i be concerned of blowing these speakers? Am I going to hear a major difference in sound quality. I am more concerned with getting more dynamic range and superior sound quality (full deep sound). Is this a good combination? or Should I consider the smaller Emovtiva XPA-5 which is 200 watts x 5 @ 8 ohms? Or should I consider a different Amp all together that would be a better combination with my system? I use 70 percent for home theater and 30 percent for music. Eventually, I plan on purchasing the floor standing JBL Studio 590s which definitely can handle more power. Any thoughts? smile.gif


I would think your very nice AVR has plenty of power for those speakers, but it's your money. If it were me I'd spend the money on the 590s instead.

Also, I'm interested in the studio 500 series so if you don't mind can you post a review of them or just your impression versus other speakers (if any). There's not much info out there on these speakers.

Mahalo in advance.
post #13915 of 15025
One thing I do not see is how the 530 and even the 590 are rated as low (86db; 92db) as they are. When they are horn loaded compression driver systems.
The 590 is only 1db more than L890 and the 530 is -2db compared to the L810, & -4db compared to the L830.
I noticed the same thing with the horn loaded LS series, as well. Unless JBL is getting quite conservative on their measurements.

Those numbers are certainly better than say the Revel Ultima series' low ratings,
But as to the A3020 that 150w should be enough, unless that power rating is really skewed or you have a really dead room.

And you most certainly will hear more room filling sound with the 590 as it is +6db more than the 530, for the same power output.
post #13916 of 15025
Sometimes JBL dials back the sensitivity of the horn's driver to more closely match the sensitivity of the cone woofer, thus keeping the system in better overall balance.
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That would certainly make sense for a 5 1/4" woofer, like the 530.
And with the 500 series, JBL has finally foregone the UHF tweeter.
Which I am sure they only did to match DVD-A/SACD's FR a decade ago.
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So I suppose save myself a couple of thousand bucks by not purchasing an amp unless I purchae the 590's huh? I guess there will no real gain or shall I say benefit by upgrading to a seperate more powerful amp? I'll admit they sound really good now but like my cars I want more power than I actually will ever need. LOL
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BTW thank you for the replies smile.gif
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Originally Posted by don480 View Post

So I suppose save myself a couple of thousand bucks by not purchasing an amp unless I purchae the 590's huh? I guess there will no real gain or shall I say benefit by upgrading to a seperate more powerful amp? I'll admit they sound really good now but like my cars I want more power than I actually will ever need. LOL

I say you go ahead and Buy! the 590s , so you can give us your feedback on them. rolleyes.gif

I love the design look of the 590s.

Could be possible replacements for my L890s someday. biggrin.gif
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