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post #14011 of 15016
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Originally Posted by Rob_63 View Post

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ear_candling , lol

that is gross
post #14012 of 15016
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

how do you get your ears cleaned. am i missing something that there's such a thing?
Water injection into the ear loosens ear wax, dirt build up.
post #14013 of 15016
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

how do you get your ears cleaned. am i missing something that there's such a thing?

At one of those new chain Hearing Aid stores! The 1st cleaning is free (where have I heard that before?) and they have to do it before they give you the free hearing test. They had an endoscope so I could watch on a monitor as they cleaned the inside of my ears. I don't need a hearing aid but thought I did before the cleaning. Some people can hear higher frequencies out of 1 ear and both ears lose higher freq as you age, shoot guns, go to concerts, ride motorcycles, drive cars with the window down (lleft ear in the US), married, Bose speakers, race cars etc. That's why I never liked automatic room compensation feature in AVRs. Your hearing is different than what the AVR decides is best.
post #14014 of 15016
Hi guys: I have a 11.1 set up with the folowing speakers:

S 312 towers front and rear
S 26 speakers front wide
S 26 speakers front high
S26 rear back
S center

I'm intended to upgrade my sistem. My room is about 25 m2 and my receiver is tthe Onkyo 5010. What would be the best updated set up with JBL speakers. Is it worth it to change the S312 for the Studio L830 or maybe the Studio 590? Thank you in advance for helping.
post #14015 of 15016
If I were you, I'd go with a pair of L890s for your fronts, an LC2 center, and L830s for surrounds, heights, etc. (everything else).
Then lay in a couple of HSU Research VTF-15H Subwoofers, and you've got a killer set up! biggrin.gif
(I'd recommend the primarily ES series JBLs I have, but JBL is phasing them out after six years in production and they're becoming hard to get...).
post #14016 of 15016
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Originally Posted by waltie View Post

Hi guys: I have a 11.1 set up with the folowing speakers:

S 312 towers front and rear
S 26 speakers front wide
S 26 speakers front high
S26 rear back
S center

I'm intended to upgrade my sistem. My room is about 25 m2 and my receiver is tthe Onkyo 5010. What would be the best updated set up with JBL speakers. Is it worth it to change the S312 for the Studio L830 or maybe the Studio 590? Thank you in advance for helping.

The S26 is an outstanding speaker, the only real "upgrade" would be either the L820 or L830 in those positions. I second the idea that the L890 is still the best option in towers unless you want to go nuts. Whatever you do, try to stay all in the same model line.
post #14017 of 15016
uggghhhhh, I was about to jump on the BIN when the listing came out, then saw local pickup only. I was just about to beg you to pick it up for me, then see it sold thurs night mad.gif

I don't want this sub, I need this sub. Last piece needed to make my Performance Series HT a purebred .
Edited by ajl1 - 5/4/13 at 9:21pm
post #14018 of 15016
I'm selling a pair of JBL LSR 6332 in Germany. If somebody is interested, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Best regards :-)
post #14019 of 15016
Wow! Good luck. There are many Lansing Heritage members in Europe, so you might want to post there as well. Our European members are always looking for good JBLs.

audioheritage.org
post #14020 of 15016
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Originally Posted by wichelmax View Post

I'm selling a pair of JBL LSR 6332 in Germany. If somebody is interested, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Best regards :-)

Recommended Amplifier Power : 150 W - 1000 W (rating into 4-ohm load)

Now that's confidence in your product. cool.gif
post #14021 of 15016
Just a quick question. I currently have S310s and an S-center. I want to replace the s-center with an EC35. Should be a good match and upgrade right?
post #14022 of 15016
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Originally Posted by StiCy View Post

Just a quick question. I currently have S310s and an S-center. I want to replace the s-center with an EC35. Should be a good match and upgrade right?

You're trading one 5" 3-way for another, so differences may be small. That said, the EC35 has a better MDF cabinet and should have a little fuller sound. It's also much easier to place and stack. I'd go for it if you can get an EC35. The S-Center still has some value if you choose to sell it.
post #14023 of 15016
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

You're trading one 5" 3-way for another, so differences may be small. That said, the EC35 has a better MDF cabinet and should have a little fuller sound. It's also much easier to place and stack. I'd go for it if you can get an EC35. The S-Center still has some value if you choose to sell it.

The S-center has a 1" tweeter and a 4" mid, however the EC35 has a 3/4" tweeter and a 3" mid. I have read on this thread that the EC35 is the way to go, I just want to make sure i am getting a bit of an upgrade. The I will have two s-centers to get rid of.
post #14024 of 15016
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Originally Posted by StiCy View Post

The S-center has a 1" tweeter and a 4" mid, however the EC35 has a 3/4" tweeter and a 3" mid. I have read on this thread that the EC35 is the way to go, I just want to make sure i am getting a bit of an upgrade. The I will have two s-centers to get rid of.

i recently just upgraded from the Voice to EC35. the S-center is basically the Voice with an added mid range driver. the Voice was really lacking in soundstage and clarity, it was shrill, cold, and overly bright. i am not sure how much improvment the added mid rage does to the Voice, but i can say going from VOice to EC35 is like night and day. it's either the wooded cabinet or the added mid range, but sound just sound a LOT more generous and broad with better soundstage. it's like trading in a little four banger for a big V8. after that i told myself i'd never go back to anything but wooded cabinet. and i've also upgraded the surround satellites from two way JBL Balcony to 4x true three way L820's.
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

i recently just upgraded from the Voice to EC35. the S-center is basically the Voice with an added mid range driver. the Voice was really lacking in soundstage and clarity, it was shrill, cold, and overly bright. i am not sure how much improvment the added mid rage does to the Voice, but i can say going from VOice to EC35 is like night and day. it's either the wooded cabinet or the added mid range, but sound just sound a LOT more generous and broad with better soundstage. it's like trading in a little four banger for a big V8. after that i told myself i'd never go back to anything but wooded cabinet. and i've also upgraded the surround satellites from two way JBL Balcony to 4x true three way L820's.

I went from the N-center (same as the voice) to the S-center. The mid range is what makes the difference to me. I hope the change from the S-center to the EC35 is a good move to make.
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Originally Posted by StiCy View Post

The S-center has a 1" tweeter and a 4" mid, however the EC35 has a 3/4" tweeter and a 3" mid. I have read on this thread that the EC35 is the way to go, I just want to make sure i am getting a bit of an upgrade. The I will have two s-centers to get rid of.

There's no question you're making trade-offs between the 2 models, but I think you'll be reasonably happy with the change. The cabinet really does make a difference. Personally I'd never give up dual 6" woofers in a center, but that's another discussion.
post #14027 of 15016
Add me to the "My JBL Subwoofer tried to burn my house down" club. I purchased a JBL Venue Sub12 back in 2007. Recently it started clicking very intermittently, and then the other day I discovered it was completely dead. I took it apart and replaced the blown fuse, which I thought was odd since it was hooked up to an APC line conditioner/surge suppressor. The new fuse immediately blew, and that wonderful burning electronics smell filled the air. I took the sub apart again, and upon closer inspection found this.






This sub was never driven hard, and like I mentioned, was always on a high quality surge suppressor. Searching on the web revealed what everyone except JBL knows, which there is a serious design flaw in the amp since all of the pictures I found on the internet showed circuit boards burned in the same place. Class action suit anyone?

So no more JBL products for me. I ordered a Cadence CSX12 Mark II to replace ithe JBL sub, and it should be here late next week.
post #14028 of 15016
i had the same issue with my JBL Sub12. except i was able to rig up three 120mm DC fans in chain and have it blow silently onto the back portion where the amp unit is. ever since, my sub never clicks now. i found this method out form a DJ who posted a blog online and came up with the solution of adding a fan module to the back of his four JBL Sub12's.

i definitely agree that there's a serious design flaw on JBL's part, and it's shameful that after so many years and many iterations they still display the same problem. it just shows lack of care. i wouldn't mind signing my name up for a class action law suit. because what i found interesting was that the DJ contacted JBL and the rep told him that all their JBL subs run hot, and needed good airflow, so suggested him to blow a fan onto it. to me that's another word of "design Flaw".

other than that, i am very happy with the rest of their product line.
post #14029 of 15016
My SUB12 had as much airflow as possible sitting in an open corner in a room that never exceeded 78 degrees, and as I mentioned it was rarely if ever driven hard. Oh well... Glad you were able to come up with a solution before the amp went up in smoke.
post #14030 of 15016
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

My SUB12 had as much airflow as possible sitting in an open corner in a room that never exceeded 78 degrees, and as I mentioned it was rarely if ever driven hard. Oh well... Glad you were able to come up with a solution before the amp went up in smoke.

this is actually quite disturbing finding out that yours actually went up in smoke. one thing i did noticed over the years having my Sub12 is that it's very temperature sensitive. in the winter, i almost have no issues at all even without the DC fan mod. and in the winter my house stays anywhere between 55F~65F. it's spring~Fall when california weather gets into over 70F is when the sub starts to overheat and does its clicking. so i would say 78F is definitely still too hot of ambient temperature for the Sub12. it's too bad, because i would never buy another JBL sub ever again, my next sub will definitely be a VSV or HSU. i was just reluctant to buy a new sub and came across the mod fix, which to my surprise actually worked.
post #14031 of 15016
My other sub on my more serious listening system is a HSU VTF-2 MK3. No regrets there. The JBL was on my HT system which is more about volume than accuracy (not that the Sub12 isn't accurate). smile.gif
Edited by zbrett - 5/10/13 at 8:39pm
post #14032 of 15016
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Originally Posted by zbrett View Post

My other sub on my more serious listening system is a HSU VTF-2 MK3. No regrets there. The JBL was on my HT system which is more about volume than accuracy (not that the Sub12 isn't accurate). smile.gif

Some JBL subs are not much more than a one tone thumper. I had a PB12, down firing sub. Compared to my original sub, B212, and my SUB1500s, the PB12 was only good for LFE duty. For music, it was junk.
The PB12 was quite efficient, but that was all I can say about it. Sold it for what I paid for it.
post #14033 of 15016
Do you guys think that if I change the S312 towers for a pair of front and surround L 890 towers I would sense a noticeable improvement in sound?
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Originally Posted by waltie View Post

Do you guys think that if I change the S312 towers for a pair of front and surround L 890 towers I would sense a noticeable improvement in sound?

Yes.
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Rdgrimes: thank you for your helping. Since my center speaker is the S Center, isn't there any possibility of sonic unmatching? I was thinking of changin the S Center for the LC2, but this speaker is too high to fit in my rack. Also I think the sonic difference is more likely to happen by not keeping the center speaker in the same line. Is that correct?
post #14036 of 15016
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Originally Posted by howzz1854 View Post

i recently just upgraded from the Voice to EC35. the S-center is basically the Voice with an added mid range driver. the Voice was really lacking in soundstage and clarity, it was shrill, cold, and overly bright. i am not sure how much improvment the added mid rage does to the Voice, but i can say going from VOice to EC35 is like night and day. it's either the wooded cabinet or the added mid range, but sound just sound a LOT more generous and broad with better soundstage. it's like trading in a little four banger for a big V8. after that i told myself i'd never go back to anything but wooded cabinet. and i've also upgraded the surround satellites from two way JBL Balcony to 4x true three way L820's.

Not be rude but that couldn't be further From the truth. Yes, they both have plastic cabinets but in SQ the S-center is far away better. I've owned the Voice and still have a S-centerII and they sound nothing alike. However I second your comparison between the Voice and the EC35 smile.gif
post #14037 of 15016
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Originally Posted by waltie View Post

Rdgrimes: thank you for your helping. Since my center speaker is the S Center, isn't there any possibility of sonic unmatching? I was thinking of changin the S Center for the LC2, but this speaker is too high to fit in my rack. Also I think the sonic difference is more likely to happen by not keeping the center speaker in the same line. Is that correct?

With the S310, you really only have 2 choices: S-Center and EC35. I think the EC35 may have a little fuller sound due to the cabinet, even though it has lesser drivers. The LC2 would certainly be a mis-match, but it is an excellent speaker. I'd encourage you to try a EC35, the cost is not great. I would not encourage you to try an LC2 unless you have money to burn. Its also true that if you got an LC2, soon after that you'd be wanting more L-series speakers to go with it.
post #14038 of 15016
Thank you once again rdgrimes.
post #14039 of 15016
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Originally Posted by BOOM85 View Post

Not be rude but that couldn't be further From the truth. Yes, they both have plastic cabinets but in SQ the S-center is far away better. I've owned the Voice and still have a S-centerII and they sound nothing alike. However I second your comparison between the Voice and the EC35 smile.gif

interesting. what are your thoughts on the sonic difference. does S-center respond better in the low end as well? because i always found the low end of Voice lacking, and mid/high very shallow and overly bright.
post #14040 of 15016
just need some advise to decide which speaker I should get, currently I'm using the JBL Cinema Sound 5.1, saw a JBL NL300 and Energy CF-50 on sale right now, want to upgrade my front speakers, which one is the better choice?
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