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post #9541 of 14063
7/16/10 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I had that same experience when I first fired up my 3731's. I did not EQ them yet and just for fun wanted to hear them. The high frequency section just took over and could blow you out of the room. They are super sensitive so at least I have some experience with these type of speakers. I will take pics and let you know how they sound in a much smaller room than intended. I am looking for a high powered 5 channel to run my subs and the bass bins to these. I could always get pro amps but I am trying to keep it simple with triggers and such. I still may end up going pro like before.

As you probably know, there are options like triggered power strips. Although often they have some restrictions on max current allowed. I know the Sunfire amps use an auto-on that's tripped by one channel only - either the "center" or "left" as I recall - might vary from one model to another.
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post #9542 of 14063
7/16/10 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

As you probably know, there are options like triggered power strips. Although often they have some restrictions on max current allowed. I know the Sunfire amps use an auto-on that's tripped by one channel only - either the "center" or "left" as I recall - might vary from one model to another.

I have my 5 channel amp choices narrowed down to these:

Cinenova grande
ead 6300
Cinepro 3K6III
sunfire signature.

Pro amp choices are endless but I would need many triggered outlets. They would need to be 10A to 15A.
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post #9543 of 14063
7/16/10 at 10:12am
Hey Slare,

I will try that and let you know. Thanks.

I did end up ordering the P35-Z tho...four HT and such. Can't wait to get rid of the tinker toy I'm using as a center : )
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post #9544 of 14063
7/17/10 at 12:24am
I returned from JBL/Harman in Northridge today with my factory rebuilt amps for the PS1400 subs. Over the years, they had failed one by one, so I used my considerable influence (yeah right , more like begging) and bit the bullet by parting with the amps for several weeks while they were rebuilt to upgraded factory specs.

I'll install those bad boys tomorrow and let them roll. I'll finally have four full-range towers (PT800/PS400 stacks) to play the Rhino Quadio verion Of Chicago Transit Authority. Woo-hoo, it's 1969 again! But in early 70s Quadraphonic Sound.

I also have a newly acquired HTPS400, which brings me up to the four that I need to do a complete Harman/JBL Multisubs installation a la the white paper. Bass, baby, big, beefy, bestial bass! (Okay, I'm going to level match it and EQ it a bit probably.

I'm also debating about pulling two of the spare PT800s out of the box and making this set up 7.1, but that debate is far from over. In fact, 7.1 is still a long shot at this point.

Exciting weekend ahead!
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post #9545 of 14063
7/17/10 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by premiertrussman View Post

I thought it was decent price...

Its been awhile since ive looked though. Seemed like less than 400 bucks for a 5 channel setup was pretty good.

the 26's lack the detail that the 38's have but still a good speaker. Grab and svs sub and you've got a killer 5.1 system for less than 1000 bucks.

but then again...im a littl partial to the studio II's lol, i think everyone should have some.

I have the same problem buddy
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post #9546 of 14063
7/17/10 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by filecat13 View Post

I'll finally have four full-range towers (PT800/PS400 stacks) to play the Rhino Quadio verion Of Chicago Transit Authority. Woo-hoo, it's 1969 again! But in early 70s Quadraphonic Sound.

I also have a newly acquired HTPS400, which brings me up to the four that I need to do a complete Harman/JBL Multisubs installation

I'm operating a retirement home for old and worn out PS1400 and HTPS-400, so when you get tired of them you know who to call. I'm pretty sure those are not up to your expectations, better get rid of them while they still work.
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post #9547 of 14063
7/17/10 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by filecat13 View Post

I returned from JBL/Harman in Northridge today with my factory rebuilt amps for the PS1400 subs. Over the years, they had failed one by one, so I used my considerable influence (yeah right , more like begging) and bit the bullet by parting with the amps for several weeks while they were rebuilt to upgraded factory specs.

I'll install those bad boys tomorrow and let them roll. I'll finally have four full-range towers (PT800/PS400 stacks) to play the Rhino Quadio verion Of Chicago Transit Authority. Woo-hoo, it's 1969 again! But in early 70s Quadraphonic Sound.

I also have a newly acquired HTPS400, which brings me up to the four that I need to do a complete Harman/JBL Multisubs installation a la the white paper. Bass, baby, big, beefy, bestial bass! (Okay, I'm going to level match it and EQ it a bit probably.

I'm also debating about pulling two of the spare PT800s out of the box and making this set up 7.1, but that debate is far from over. In fact, 7.1 is still a long shot at this point.

Exciting weekend ahead!

Hi Doug, congratulations on your new acquisition. I'm setting up a 5.1 Performance System with 4-PT800s, PC600 & 3-HTPS-400s. Have you ever tried running with the PTs & PC cut off at 80-Hz with only the HTPS-400s handling <80-Hz? I'm wondering how the set up will perform without PS1400s. I have to wait on those.
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post #9548 of 14063
7/18/10 at 9:21am
Looking for Ti1K Ti2k Ti10K or Sub. I interested in buying them or I can trade Vienna Acoustics Mozart or Klipsch Epic CF2's.
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post #9549 of 14063
7/18/10 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by Strych2 View Post

Looking for Ti1K Ti2k Ti10K or Sub.

Welcome to the club.

Doesn't the ti series use the 1500 Array or 1400 Array sub? HarmanAudio eBay store has had the ti series available for a while. Not cheap.

Used, these are most likely to turn up around NYC or in Canada.
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post #9550 of 14063
7/18/10 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by filecat13 View Post

I returned from JBL/Harman in Northridge today with my factory rebuilt amps for the PS1400 subs. Over the years, they had failed one by one, so I used my considerable influence (yeah right , more like begging) and bit the bullet by parting with the amps for several weeks while they were rebuilt to upgraded factory specs.

I'll install those bad boys tomorrow and let them roll. I'll finally have four full-range towers (PT800/PS400 stacks) to play the Rhino Quadio verion Of Chicago Transit Authority. Woo-hoo, it's 1969 again! But in early 70s Quadraphonic Sound.

I also have a newly acquired HTPS400, which brings me up to the four that I need to do a complete Harman/JBL Multisubs installation a la the white paper. Bass, baby, big, beefy, bestial bass! (Okay, I'm going to level match it and EQ it a bit probably.

I'm also debating about pulling two of the spare PT800s out of the box and making this set up 7.1, but that debate is far from over. In fact, 7.1 is still a long shot at this point.

Exciting weekend ahead!

What are you using to EQ your low end?
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post #9551 of 14063
7/20/10 at 3:29am
I just picked up a free pair of 4311B's...I'm so pumped as
I now have a pair of 4312A's & 4311B's...life
is good!!!!
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post #9552 of 14063
7/21/10 at 4:36am
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Originally Posted by filecat13 View Post


I also have a newly acquired HTPS400, which brings me up to the four that I need to do a complete Harman/JBL Multisubs installation a la the white paper. Bass, baby, big, beefy, bestial bass! (Okay, I'm going to level match it and EQ it a bit probably.


Exciting weekend ahead!

Well, its not like you don't already have a complete built-in HT!

I'm still looking for some large/thick area rugs, that don't cost an arm/leg, to tame my large room. So until that happens, I'm only using my pair of custom L212 and the pair of 1500 subs.
I found that just two PT800s, in this room as it is currently, was way too live, due to the WGs increasing the sweet spot, thus more bounce off the concrete walls. The sound is much better with the L212s, until the heavy drapes show up, and other refinements. Its always Manana! Such is life in Ecuador!
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post #9553 of 14063
7/21/10 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Well, its not like you don't already have a complete built-in HT!

I'm still looking for some large/thick area rugs, that don't cost an arm/leg, to tame my large room. So until that happens, I'm only using my pair of custom L212 and the pair of 1500 subs.
I found that just two PT800s, in this room as it is currently, was way too live, due to the WGs increasing the sweet spot, thus more bounce off the concrete walls. The sound is much better with the L212s, until the heavy drapes show up, and other refinements. Its always Manana! Such is life in Ecuador!

what on earth do you expect heavy drapes and rugs to do? waste of time/money.
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post #9554 of 14063
7/21/10 at 8:28am
I got the speakers hooked up and dialed in. All I can say is wow!!!! JBL 2226 drivers rule! The horn sounds fantastic as well. The most dynamic speaker I have ever heard.



Here is how they look when watching a movie(128 inch screen)



People don't know what hit them.
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post #9555 of 14063
7/21/10 at 9:08am
That looks friggin AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #9556 of 14063
7/21/10 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I got the speakers hooked up and dialed in. All I can say is wow!!!! JBL 2226 drivers rule! The horn sounds fantastic as well. The most dynamic speaker I have ever heard.

People don't know what hit them.

This is clear evidence of mental illness.
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post #9557 of 14063
7/21/10 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I got the speakers hooked up and dialed in. All I can say is wow!!!! JBL 2226 drivers rule! The horn sounds fantastic as well. The most dynamic speaker I have ever heard.



Here is how they look when watching a movie(128 inch screen)



People don't know what hit them.

That is awfully pretty. I can see the corner bracing of your AT screen with the flash, is it a problem at all when watching movies? I ask because im building my own AT screen and its going to have some...unique mounting requirements, just curious if ill need to paint the mounts black, or cover them with velour or something to keep light from bouncing back. Where did you get your screen material?
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post #9558 of 14063
7/21/10 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by premiertrussman View Post

That is awfully pretty. I can see the corner bracing of your AT screen with the flash, is it a problem at all when watching movies? I ask because im building my own AT screen and its going to have some...unique mounting requirements, just curious if ill need to paint the mounts black, or cover them with velour or something to keep light from bouncing back. Where did you get your screen material?

Nice catch! They can be seen on a white backround in full 16:9. In letterbox they are hidden. We are rebuilding them by moving them back a little. They are right up against the screen and why they are seen. A little distance and they disappear and I do recommend painting them black.
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post #9559 of 14063
7/21/10 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

This is clear evidence of mental illness.

Another good catch.


Seriously, if people have doubts about JBL's and high end they need to hear these things(I know the people here have no doubt), they are just amazing. These are only cheaper than consumer speakers because they are unfinished and big. These use awesome drivers. The Compression driver sounds ultra clear and they go down to 500hz. I know there are synthesis and higher lines in price but man, I would compare these to anything in home theater.
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post #9560 of 14063
7/21/10 at 11:52am
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what on earth do you expect heavy drapes and rugs to do? waste of time/money.

He expects them to settle down the reflections. Surfaces that can absorb or diffuse some sound helps a lot. Even carpet and hardwood can help above and beyond tile, it doesn't have to be manufactured bass traps like you have behind your L820s (have you done anything to reduce the early reflections the desk creates?).

@John: You should take a picture while it's so minimal. I'd bet it looks like JBL's advertising bumf for the Everests. Big room, one couch, huge pair of speakers. Any comparison to that anechoic setup in an office building you listened in long ago?

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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I got the speakers hooked up and dialed in. All I can say is wow!!!! JBL 2226 drivers rule! The horn sounds fantastic as well. The most dynamic speaker I have ever heard.

People don't know what hit them.

But I'd bet they stay hit.

Can you talk more about the specific dynamism of them? High end specific? All the way through the range? I'm also really curious: What are these like for critical music listening? I realize they weren't really built with that in mind, but I'd be curious to hear your impressions.
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post #9561 of 14063
7/21/10 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Its always Manana! Such is life in Ecuador!

I curse you back, John. I caught myself whistling this song and now it's stuck in my head...

"Manana... manana... manana is good enough for me...."

Anyone know how to make tildas over letters in HTML?
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post #9562 of 14063
7/21/10 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I got the speakers hooked up and dialed in. All I can say is wow!!!! JBL 2226 drivers rule! The horn sounds fantastic as well. The most dynamic speaker I have ever heard.





People don't know what hit them.

I should have my trio soon too. Can't friggin' wait!
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post #9563 of 14063
7/21/10 at 12:16pm
Holy cow MK !!

What are you trying to accomplish?? Guiness Book, perhaps??
I really can't imagine how do they sound, but it's gotta be something outta this world, right?

Out of curiosity, how much did you drop on them?
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post #9564 of 14063
7/21/10 at 12:19pm
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He expects them to settle down the reflections. Surfaces that can absorb or diffuse some sound helps a lot. Even carpet and hardwood can help above and beyond tile, it doesn't have to be manufactured bass traps like you have behind your L820s (have you done anything to reduce the early reflections the desk creates?).

@John: You should take a picture while it's so minimal. I'd bet it looks like JBL's advertising bumf for the Everests. Big room, one couch, huge pair of speakers. Any comparison to that anechoic setup in an office building you listened in long ago?



But I'd bet they stay hit.

Can you talk more about the specific dynamism of them? High end specific? All the way through the range? I'm also really curious: What are these like for critical music listening? I realize they weren't really built with that in mind, but I'd be curious to hear your impressions.

They are very detailed and will bring out any bad recording or mistake. The sound is huge and very impactful. They just energize the room and have that big presence to them. They are more dynamic then anything else I have heard or owned. This includes Klipsch THX ultra 2 speakers, JTR triple 8's, M&K S-5000's or any other M&K, Axiom M80's, Maggies, JBL 3622N's, JBL synthesis(I forget which model but they are older), and others I can't remember. My favorite speaker for music were the Maggies but I like these better. I really don't listen to music that much and if I do it is not critically. I hope this helped a little. It is hard to explain the dynamics, because they are so efficient and sound so big the dynamics are on a different level. My 3731's were like that as well but not as much with the single 15.
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post #9565 of 14063
7/21/10 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by Avliner View Post

Holy cow MK !!

What are you trying to accomplish?? Guiness Book, perhaps??
I really can't imagine how do they sound, but it's gotta be something outta this world, right?

Out of curiosity, how much did you drop on them?

I got them for a steal. I would rather not say how much as this can put things out of perspective. I have heard a McIntosh 500K system and this blows them away(I also have dual Danley DTS-10 subs). They are a little rough in appearance but work flawlessly. My goals are and always have been having the most dynamic, accurate, big sounding theater that can be played at reference levels with very little distortion and no compression for as cheap as possible. I always believe anyone with the dough can put together an awesome system but to do it with as little money as possible is challenging and more fun. I always buy used and DIY when I can.
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post #9566 of 14063
7/21/10 at 12:33pm
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what on earth do you expect heavy drapes and rugs to do? waste of time/money.

Sez you! Needed drapes anyway, and when they are made with 2~3 times as many panels as would be the norm for the window width, it does help.

And if you don't think thick, large (8'x10' min) area rugs help over a tile floor, think again. It won't be as good as thick carpet/pad over wood floors, as in the last house, but certainly better than adding nothing to the floors. Which is the closest first reflection point by 4 times over.
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7/21/10 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by 4DHD View Post

Sez you! Needed drapes anyway, and when they are made with 2~3 times as many panels as would be the norm for the window width, it does help.

And if you don't think thick, large (8'x10' min) area rugs help over a tile floor, think again. It won't be as good as thick carpet/pad over wood floors, as in the last house, but certainly better than adding nothing to the floors. Which is the closest first reflection point by 4 times over.

Starting with a large "blank palette" like that has it's advantages. You can gradually tune the room to give you exactly the "liveness" you desire. I'm partial to large wool rugs on the wall, which you should have in abundance there. (rugs and walls)
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post #9568 of 14063
7/21/10 at 1:28pm
You're the biggest JBL fan I have ever heard of, MK
Time now to enjoy your brand new blasting babies, though
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post #9569 of 14063
7/21/10 at 1:46pm
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You're the biggest JBL fan I have ever heard of, MK
Time now to enjoy your brand new blasting babies, though

I have to say that this is my limit as anything bigger won't fit. They do blast but in a good dynamic and accurate way. It is unbelievable how loud these can play without sounding harsh or bad. Your ears are the limit(from sound pressure), not the speakers. Since they are very sensitive the amp will never be the limit either. I never turn it up past reference levels which is about 2 watts on the Horn and 37 watts on the 4648's. That is from my seating distance and probably requires less power than that.
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post #9570 of 14063
7/21/10 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I have to say that this is my limit as anything bigger won't fit. They do blast but in a good dynamic and accurate way. It is unbelievable how loud these can play without sounding harsh or bad. Your ears are the limit(from sound pressure), not the speakers. Since they are very sensitive the amp will never be the limit either. I never turn it up past reference levels which is about 2 watts on the Horn and 37 watts on the 4648's. That is from my seating distance and probably requires less power than that.

Plus, if you ever need to host a large outdoor event, like in the SuperDome, you're set for gear.
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