Originally Posted by Richard Paul
jdg345, you have absolutely no evidence for that and that is nothing more than negative speculation.
The only evidence I have is that the Samsung 1200 doesn't play certain titles ... are any of those titles Profile 1.1 or 2.0?
Which would have no effect on the normal playback of the movie and there are already Bonus View and BD-Live discs on the market playing well on many different Profile 1.0 players.
I notice you said 'many' different, and not 'all'. So I guess that the OP does have some reason for concern if he doesn't buy a PS3.
jdg345, you have no evidence that the Blu-ray player profiles have ever caused any BD-J issues so it wouldn't be a debate it would just be negative speculation.
Richard, please use a little common sense here. Please. As Profile 1.1 and 2.0 titles are released, player manufacturers will have to update the code / BDJ stack on those players to support these new features if there is hardware present. Talkstr8t has already confirmed that certain components of BDJ are not included in Profile 1.0 players simply because the hardware isn't there to address. Any time you add new features to a code base, you run the risk of including bugs and breaking other features. I'm not saying it's going to happen, I'm just saying it is a POSSIBILITY, and a good one at that.
As long as player manufacturers continue to support their hardware, it's pretty much moot though as they will just release a fix within a few days/weeks/etc and the main title should play.
Of course, the Samsung is already testing the market by refusing to support a player that was released what? a year ago?
The Samsung BD-P1400 was always considered to be more stable and it was the first Samsung player to use an SoC from Sigma Designs. From what I heard the Broadcom SoC that Samsung used for the Samsung BD-P1200 was pretty bad though even if that is true Samsung was the one who decided to use it.
That's all well and good in hindsight, but how do consumers know that the next player that they purchase isn't going to have components in it that are 'pretty bad' and tough to support until the manufacturer drops said support a year after they buy it -- well after it's too late to return it to stores?
And I think that is fear mongering when the majority of stand alone Blu-ray players are reliable and have been well supported.
Again, you're referencing 'majority' and not 'all'. I agree that most players have been well supported (though I don't know that I'd say 'all' are reliable considering the inordinate load times on some players for some titles). The PS3 is surely the best bet as it will have support in the form of upgrades for many years to come (10 years according to Sony's planned lifecycle).
Consumers have no way of knowing what they are buying today and how long the manufacturer is going to support it before the manufacturer makes the decision for the consumer that it's time to upgrade players and spend more money (or not watch certain titles).
Don't get me wrong, this has been a problem with *BOTH* formats. The constant need for firmware updates and downloads etc is complicated for most general consumers as it is. It's one thing to be able to plug your internet cable into your player and click some buttons on a remote. It's certainly another to go to the internet on your computer, find a link, download a file, and try to burn a CD correctly so that it reads in your player. Based on Samsung's decisions, their consumers now need to worry if firmware will even be made available. And since Profiles are here to stay, whether we like them or not (Profile 2.0 is still optional), we're going to run into issues as Studios push the envelope of features and content.
I understand you want to minimize some of this, but I think consumers who are here looking for information should be aware that there very well could be issues with manufacturer support on these players (there already is). Unless you buy a PS3, you might be in for a surprise when a disc doesn't play and the player tells you to load firmware that doesn't exist and isn't coming.
Notice I'm not saying "Don't buy Blu-ray, it's bad and incomplete or confusing or whatever.". All I'm saying is, if you want the safest bet in a Blu-ray player, buy a PS3 as it will likely continue to be supported for many years to come. The same cannot be said for other CE hardware.
Insider's have told us for months and months that you will always be able to play the main feature. And if there was an issue, firmware could fix it.
In the case of the Samsung 1200, you can't play the main title. And it's likely that firmware could fix it. The problem is, it's been months and Samsung isn't fixing it -- which is why they're being sued. Caveat Emptor.