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Is there a list of all current BR players showing which profile they are?

GOOD LIST HERE
post #242 of 289
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Since I'm not intersted in the extras, games, internet connectivity, will I be OK purchasing a 1.1 machine?

Yes.
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Will it play future movies fine?

Yes.
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Also, I will eventually upgrade to a receiver that handles the new audio formats. Will profile 1.1 make use of this?

Yes.
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Is there a list of all current BR players showing which profile they are?

Yes.
post #243 of 289
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I must say, scanning through this sticky has left me quite confused. I'm new to reading about BR as I 'was' enjoying my HD DVD and planned on going BR when the cost decreased, but am now leaning that way anyway.

I'm not interested in any type of internet connectivity or games, or extras. All I want to do is watch a BR movie. At this time, I do not have a Receiver that handles HDMI for the new Audio Formats.

Since I'm not intersted in the extras, games, internet connectivity, will I be OK purchasing a 1.1 machine? Will it play future movies fine? Also, I will eventually upgrade to a receiver that handles the new audio formats. Will profile 1.1 make use of this, or will I need profile 2.0?

Is there a list of all current BR players showing which profile they are?

I waited and bought a 1.1 player, largely, because it has faster load times and is more responsive overall. If I ever do want to view the bonus material, I can do that too. In all the years I've watched DVDs, I think I looked at commentaries and "how we made . . " stuff three or four times. If, IF, I ever want to download content and access that, I can do that with my (heavily virus- and spyware-protected) PC and transfer it to an SD card. Updates to firmware via the internet would be slick, but nowhere near slick enough to override my security concerns. And who knows what an internet-connected player would "phone home" with?

Just my $.02.
post #244 of 289
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Originally Posted by tonybradley View Post

I must say, scanning through this sticky has left me quite confused. I'm new to reading about BR as I 'was' enjoying my HD DVD and planned on going BR when the cost decreased, but am now leaning that way anyway.

I'm not interested in any type of internet connectivity or games, or extras. All I want to do is watch a BR movie. At this time, I do not have a Receiver that handles HDMI for the new Audio Formats.

Since I'm not intersted in the extras, games, internet connectivity, will I be OK purchasing a 1.1 machine? Will it play future movies fine? Also, I will eventually upgrade to a receiver that handles the new audio formats. Will profile 1.1 make use of this, or will I need profile 2.0?

Is there a list of all current BR players showing which profile they are?

Profile 1.0 should be fine for just watching the movie. As far as Audio Formats, it depends on which you are interested in as not all players support the same formats, nor do they all have the capability to output bitstream for AVR decoding.

The thought, of course, is that even the older players will continue to receive firmware updates so they will continue to play newer movies. If this is a concern to you, the best solution is to buy a PS3 as that will likely continue to receive updates for several years. The same cannot be promised for other Standalone players at this time.

As far as a list of players, no, there is not as far as I know. The BDA Homepage doesn't really talk much about these profiles and their differences. One has to wonder why that is.
post #245 of 289
Thanks folks...very helpful.
post #246 of 289
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Originally Posted by tonybradley View Post

Thanks folks...very helpful.

But in all honesty - if you are not running
out to BUY a player tonight - I'd wait until
the end of March just to see if the Panasonic
DMP-BD50 shows up at the beginning of April.

If it does - I would suggest that one is worth
waiting for.
post #247 of 289
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I'm not interested in any type of internet connectivity or games, or extras. All I want to do is watch a BR movie. At this time, I do not have a Receiver that handles HDMI for the new Audio Formats.

I would recommend the Panasonic DMP-BD30 if you are thinking of getting a player now. If your willing to wait you might want to consider the Panasonic DMP-BD50 which will have internal audio decoding for both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. Both players are based on the Panasonic UniPhier which has the best BD-J performance of any decoding chip currently being used in a stand alone Blu-ray player.
post #248 of 289
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul View Post

I would recommend the Panasonic DMP-BD30 if you are thinking of getting a player now. If your willing to wait you might want to consider the Panasonic DMP-BD50 which will have internal audio decoding for both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. Both players are based on the Panasonic UniPhier which has the best BD-J performance of any decoding chip currently being used in a stand alone Blu-ray player.

It's still significantly slower than the PS3 though, no?
post #249 of 289
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It's still significantly slower than the PS3 though

jdg345, that is yet another negative opinion given without evidence though that is pretty much par for the course. Also a poster recorded some load times for the Panasonic DMP-BD30 and liked its overall performance so much he replaced his PS3 with it. Even long time HD DVD supporters that were not known for their love of Blu-ray liked the Panasonic DMP-BD30 such as this poster:

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Originally Posted by Robert George View Post

I'm going to make a comparison, and don't take this as a format swipe, but for those familiar with the performance of the latest Toshiba HD DVD players, you will know what I mean. To wit, Blu-ray, and specifically, Panasonic, has finally delivered a player that performs as well as HD DVD.
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Disc processing, ie, menu loading/playing, navigation, chapter stepping, audio sync when skipping, etc., is virtually perfect. The only player faster on Java material is the PS3, and it isn't that much faster. No standalone can touch the new Panny for functionality in this area. Add the flexibility of IR control (think universal remote controls) and I put the BD30 ahead of the PS3 for overall functionality.
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There is nothing about the new BD30 that I can realistically say I dislike, and I am, for the first time, completely satisfied with a piece of Blu-ray gear.
post #250 of 289
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul View Post

jdg345, that is yet another negative opinion given without evidence though that is pretty much par for the course. Also a poster recorded some load times for the Panasonic DMP-BD30 and liked its overall performance so much he replaced his PS3 with it. Even long time HD DVD supporters that were not known for their love of Blu-ray liked the Panasonic DMP-BD30 such as this poster:

Richard, it wasn't an opinion, it was a question. For someone who pays such attention to detail and focuses so much time on semantics, I find it completely strange that you missed the "..., no?" in my post. I find it stranger that it appears to have been physically removed in the text you quoted.

Is there a reason you only partially quoted me? Clearly, if you would have quoted the whole statement, it would be a non issue.

Apparently, however, you were just taking the opportunity to somehow accuse me of something I haven't done. If you have some personal issue with me, I suggest you take it to PM. When I was avidly supporting HD DVD, you got on me about that. When I suggested those who wanted Blu-ray buy a PS3 (for Blu-ray), you got on me about that. If nothing I say is good enough for you, I suggest you put me on ignore.

Oh, and finally, in that review you noted, he still says the PS3 is faster, and that review is something like 4-5 months old now -- before the PS3 received the Profile 1.1 update and other BDJ enhancements, etc. So, if you have an up to date review that compares load times and speed on the Panasonic 30 to an up-to-date version of the PS3, I'd like to read up on that as well.
post #251 of 289
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Richard, it wasn't an opinion, it was a question. For someone who pays such attention to detail and focuses so much time on semantics, I find it completely strange that you missed the "..., no?" in my post.

jdg345, if you phrase it as a question I will treat it as a question but I am sick of you including negative presupposed facts in your questions and than attaching ", no?" to the end of them. If you want me to believe that these aren't your opinions than don't treat them as presupposed facts which is a logical fallacy.


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Apparently, however, you were just taking the opportunity to somehow accuse me of something I haven't done.

I have seen you included negative presupposed facts in your questions many times before so I think it highly unlikely that you don't know what you are doing.


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before the PS3 received the Profile 1.1 update and other BDJ enhancements, etc

I own a PS3 so besides the Bonus View update what exactly are the "other BDJ enhancements" that you refer to? I also haven't noticed any difference in BD-J performance with the PS3 over the last few months and do you have any evidence that it has changed?


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So, if you have an up to date review that compares load times and speed on the Panasonic 30 to an up-to-date version of the PS3, I'd like to read up on that as well.

I found these two reviews:

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Originally Posted by BinaryLinguist View Post

So far I'm very impressed. Updated to 1.3 with no issue. Bitstreaming works flawlessly to my Denon 4308 and the picture seems to be a tad better than the PS3 at least to my naked eye. No issues with 24p as well. It does take slightly longer to startup/load than the PS3 but nothing worth complaining about.

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Originally Posted by tapsas View Post

1.3 updated fine. Update took about one minute from CD-R.

It improved disc loading time (at least for BD-J) dramatically, shaving off some 20 seconds from Pirates of the Caribbean 2 load-up compared to 1.2.

It now loads exactly as fast as the PS3, both timing 1 minute 16 seconds from PLAY to movie starting when OKing and chapter skipping all screens/trailers.
post #252 of 289
Sorry Richard, I wasn't aware that there was nothing negative to be said about Blu-ray. I now realize that it is the perfect format for everyone, has no issues, and should be purchased by all at the first opportunity. It's so perfect, it is beyond any and all criticism. Thank you for clearing that up for me. Now perhaps you can move onto another crusade?

Seriously, it was a question, phrased as a question. You know it, I know it. If it wasn't phrased that way, you wouldn't have partially-quoted me to attempt to make a point.

It's also interesting that you suggest the Panny firmware update made improvements in BDJ performace by listing one review, but then suggest that in the last 4-5 months worth of updates, the PS3 has not received a single update to it's BDJ performance (which is impossible, because there were additions to the BDJ stack as part of the Profile 1.1 update -- or Profile 1.1 wouldn't work).

Either way, thanks for providing quotes to the two reviews. There are other not so positive reviews of the 30 as well depending on what your needs and expectations are. It's also more expensive than the PS3 -- so the PS3 is still a better value as it is just as good or better than the Panny.

Do you have some stake in the success of Blu-ray or something? I mean, to the level that you idolize a shiny disc format, you would think you got paid or rewarded or something?

Everthing has negatives, and, AFAIK, nothing in the CE world is perfect. If we do not criticize the things we do not like, it will never be improved. Even that review gives us 76 seconds from play to movie start -- that's a very very long time compared to DVD and it goes to show you that our expectations have been shifted lower due to the incredibly slow batches of players we've seen over the last two years. The 20 second improvement there is drastic, as it equates to roughly a 20% cut in times. That's significant, and hopefully they continue to improve it.
post #253 of 289
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I now realize that Blu-ray is the perfect format for everyone, has no issues, and should be purchased by all at the first opportunity. It's so perfect, it is beyond any and all criticism.

It's about time you saw the light!
post #254 of 289
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Now perhaps you can move onto another crusade?

jdg345, your the one that keeps posting negative speculation and FUD in this thread so it seems to me that if anyone needs to move on it would be you.


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Seriously, it was a question, phrased as a question.

Do you disagree that it was a logical fallacy?


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It's also interesting that you suggest the Panny firmware update made improvements in BDJ performace by listing one review,

Technically it was the reviewer who said that and last I checked you wanted load times from some more recent reviews and that was one of the two that I found.


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the PS3 has not received a single update to it's BDJ performance (which is impossible, because there were additions to the BDJ stack as part of the Profile 1.1 update -- or Profile 1.1 wouldn't work).

jdg345, there is a difference between performance and capability. When I talk about BD-J performance I am referring to the efficiency of processing BD-J applications and notice that it was a question:

"I also haven't noticed any difference in BD-J performance with the PS3 over the last few months and do you have any evidence that it has changed?"


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It's also more expensive than the PS3 -- so the PS3 is still a better value as it is just as good or better than the Panny.

Based on my own experiences I think the PS3 is a great product but value is a subjective term and there are legitimate reasons (noise, heat, IR control, etc...) why a person might prefer the Panasonic DMP-BD30 which is why I mention it.


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Do you have some stake in the success of Blu-ray or something?

Excluding my PS3 and Blu-ray movies I have no financial stake in Blu-ray and I support it because I like it.
post #255 of 289
jdg345 and Richard Paul

please take this to PM

time
post #256 of 289
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Just something I noticed but almost all of the Blu-ray players released in the last 6 months have used the Panasonic UniPhier chipset. This includes everything from the high end Denon Blu-ray players down to the various Funai made players. As such it looks like even the low cost CE companies want the fastest Blu-ray chipset they can get. I think this will encourage other Blu-ray chipset companies to make faster Blu-ray chipsets especially since Panasonic is already working on a third generation UniPhier chipset.
post #257 of 289
I'm curious why PiP is something you need in a BlueRay player? I can understand the usefulness of PiP in a TV using it's tuner or in an STB, and I can only see this usefulness for live content. But I'm not getting why PiP is something you would want in a BlueRay player. The main (and I would guess mostly used) content of the BlueRay player is the disc, right? Since it's a single stream then why the need for PiP? Even if you could have multiple streams on the disc, since it's not live I don't see the need for PiP.

I think I must be missing something and I will admit I know nothing about BlueRay players though I'm trying to come up to speed as I'm in the market for a high definition DVD player.

Thanks,
Nick
post #258 of 289
PiP is for things like director or actor commentary where they stay on the screen (in a small window) when talking.

Or imagine watching the storyboards of a film while the movie is playing. There are plenty or reasons why one would want to watch multiple streams at the same time even if the content itself is not live.
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Do all Blu Ray players output audio as PCM and Bitstream or do some output PCM while others output as bitstream?
post #260 of 289
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Originally Posted by slouque1 View Post

Do all Blu Ray players output audio as PCM and Bitstream or do some output PCM while others output as bitstream?

It depends on the Blu-ray player and this thread contains a chart showing what various Blu-ray players can decode and/or bitstream output.
post #261 of 289
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Added the Memorex MVBD-2510 to the Bonus View list and I believe that it is the first Blu-ray player to be announced with an initial MSRP under $300.
post #262 of 289
What is wrong with some bluray discs like iron man and other bluray movies not working with all bluray players new or old. Does not make since, are they changing security copyright software or something? Is there any way why we keep doing firmware updates. Help
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Originally Posted by DCunited View Post

What is wrong with some bluray discs like iron man and other bluray movies not working with all bluray players new or old. Does not make since, are they changing security copyright software or something?

It is usually due to BD-J since there are multiple BD-J Virtual Machines being used by different companies.


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Is there any way why we keep doing firmware updates. Help

What Blu-ray player do you own, what firmware does it currently have, and what movies are you having trouble with?
post #264 of 289
Sony S1 and Samsung 1200, Both are up to date and reading forums users are having issues with iron man. Bluray needs to stop updated jave scripting just for stupid extra features. Just give us Great audio and Video please...DC
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Sony S1 and Samsung 1200, Both are up to date and reading forums users are having issues with iron man.

I have looked around and from what I have read the problem with the Iron Man Blu-ray disc is due to some kind of authoring error that Paramount made and they are recalling them.
post #266 of 289
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I have looked around and from what I have read the problem with the Iron Man Blu-ray disc is due to some kind of authoring error that Paramount made and they are recalling them.

Richard,

Have you come across any additional details? It's strange to me that an authoring error would make it this far through QA/QC this far in the game. Are there any special features here being tried for the first time? The title still plays fine, any copy, on PS3, does it not?
post #267 of 289
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Have you come across any additional details?

The only details I have heard so far are in the AVS Forum thread and the Blu-ray forum thread.


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It's strange to me that an authoring error would make it this far through QA/QC this far in the game.

It is impressive that Paramount could mess up with such a huge movie but from what I have read that is exactly what happened.


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Are there any special features here being tried for the first time?

Maybe, but I don't see any reason why Paramount would lie about an authoring error.


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The title still plays fine, any copy, on PS3, does it not?

Probably, but that doesn't mean that Paramount didn't make an authoring error with the title.
post #268 of 289
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Hi jdg, that seems to be the case, at least so far, with 1.1 players.

I recently purchased a Sony BDP-S350 and last week performed the latest firmware upgrade to support BD LIve. I also stuck a 4 gb flash drive into the USB port. Does this update make this machine Profile 2.0 compliant? Is this a less expensive way to go than buying an already 2.0 compliant player? Any advice is appreciated.
post #269 of 289
Yes, you're fully BD-Live (Profile 2.0) compliant - enjoy!

- Talk
post #270 of 289
Can anyone explain the new up and coming Profile 3.0 which is an audio only profile? I'd like to know more about it, what features it supports, and what type of audio files its meant for. Will it accept 32 bit music files?
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