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post #5221 of 5243
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Originally Posted by BZRD View Post

Just upgraded from an Apple TV2 to an Apple TV3. Connected to AVR247 via HDMI. The new Apple TV will not play now. Picture jumps in and out, black screen, static screen, etc. Reconfigured the Apple TV3 to 720p and it works now. Shouldn't the AVR 247 handle the 1080p??

No...
Can only handle up to 1080i...


Just my $0.02... wink.gif
post #5222 of 5243
I've got an AVR 147, but hoping someone here can help me with an issue I'm having.

I just moved and got my setup put together. I'm currently just running a 2.1 setup, but at some point will add in my center channel when I mount the TV. What's happening is that the receiver keeps defaulting to Dolby PL II Movie on most channels, and not Dolby Digital or even stereo. When its on Dolby PL II Movie there is virtually no sound at all coming out of the speakers. So every time I turn the channel, I need to switch the setting to Dolby Digital and the sound is fine. I thought I could set it to stay on Dolby Digital but it's not staying. Any thoughts on where the issue might be coming from? Receiver? Cable box? I've got XFinity HD.
post #5223 of 5243
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

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Originally Posted by BZRD View Post

Just upgraded from an Apple TV2 to an Apple TV3. Connected to AVR247 via HDMI. The new Apple TV will not play now. Picture jumps in and out, black screen, static screen, etc. Reconfigured the Apple TV3 to 720p and it works now. Shouldn't the AVR 247 handle the 1080p??
No...
Can only handle up to 1080i...
Just my $0.02... wink.gif
No, the 247 and 347 are capable of switching 1080p/24 sources via HDMI - this functionality was added as part of one of the early firmware updates

BZRD, make sure you are using the latest firmware available here;
http://www.harmankardon.com/EN-US/Products/Pages/ProductSupportDetails.aspx?PID=AVR+347

BTW - How long are the HDMI cables to / from the receiver? As short as possible is always preferred, thicker wire gauge cables should also be used with any long runs (e.g. over 6ft) or you will run into trouble at higher resolution/1080p not unlike you are experiencing.

If this does not apply to you, unfortunately you may be forced into using one of the lower resolutions to keep things working. Many HDMI-equipped Apple products are not HDCP compliance tested, which is important for HDMI device compatibility - especially with an AVR which is acting as an HDMI repeater. I believe the Apple TV3 follows suit as I do not see it listed as a certified/tested HDMI source device.
HDCP compliance/products info;
http://www.digital-cp.com/hdcp_products
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Originally Posted by chitown_badger View Post

I've got an AVR 147, but hoping someone here can help me with an issue I'm having.
I just moved and got my setup put together. I'm currently just running a 2.1 setup, but at some point will add in my center channel when I mount the TV. What's happening is that the receiver keeps defaulting to Dolby PL II Movie on most channels, and not Dolby Digital or even stereo. When its on Dolby PL II Movie there is virtually no sound at all coming out of the speakers. So every time I turn the channel, I need to switch the setting to Dolby Digital and the sound is fine. I thought I could set it to stay on Dolby Digital but it's not staying. Any thoughts on where the issue might be coming from? Receiver? Cable box? I've got XFinity HD.

Make sure to open the AVR's speaker settings menu and turn the center and surround channels OFF entirely (OSD->Manual Setup->Speaker Size-> NONE for Center and Surround) otherwise the AVR will try to default to multichannel surround modes when there is a digital multichannel input stream.
post #5224 of 5243
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Originally Posted by dRockHK View Post

No, the 247 and 347 are capable of switching 1080p/24 sources via HDMI - this functionality was added as part of one of the early firmware updates
BZRD, make sure you are using the latest firmware available here;
http://www.harmankardon.com/EN-US/Products/Pages/ProductSupportDetails.aspx?PID=AVR+347
BTW - How long are the HDMI cables to / from the receiver? As short as possible is always preferred, thicker wire gauge cables should also be used with any long runs (e.g. over 6ft) or you will run into trouble at higher resolution/1080p not unlike you are experiencing.
If this does not apply to you, unfortunately you may be forced into using one of the lower resolutions to keep things working. Many HDMI-equipped Apple products are not HDCP compliance tested, which is important for HDMI device compatibility - especially with an AVR which is acting as an HDMI repeater. I believe the Apple TV3 follows suit as I do not see it listed as a certified/tested HDMI source device.
HDCP compliance/products info;
http://www.digital-cp.com/hdcp_products
Make sure to open the AVR's speaker settings menu and turn the center and surround channels OFF entirely (OSD->Manual Setup->Speaker Size-> NONE for Center and Surround) otherwise the AVR will try to default to multichannel surround modes when there is a digital multichannel input stream.

Thanks for the reply. I'll give that a shot tonight. I guess I mistakenly assumed that if there was no speaker wire attached to the connections for those channels the receiver would sense that there was no speaker and change accordingly. Obviously I was wrong rolleyes.gif Thanks again!

Edit - That worked. Thanks again. Getting my Velodyne VX-11 delivered today, so the bedroom setup should finally be back to "decent"!
Edited by chitown_badger - 11/14/12 at 12:19pm
post #5225 of 5243
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

The Digital Out for the 24/347 is cascaded with the Digital In, any digital audio stream coming in as an input (coax or optical) is also outputted..
Just my $0.02... wink.gif

Does anyone know if the optical out will work when on an HDMI input source? And if so, will it be 5.1?
post #5226 of 5243
Bump.
post #5227 of 5243
I don't know if anybody's following this thread still, but if you are you may have a higher chance than the general public of being able to solve my problem:

I'm attempting to output multichannel PCM from blu-rays, .mkv's, and games from my Windows 7 rig.

Radeon 6950 -> HDMI -> Harman Kardon AVR 247 with firmware update.

Bitstreaming DD and DTS works fine.
Using Dolby Digital Live and DTS Connect to encode and send surround game audio works fine.
The AVR 247 supposedly gained 5.1 and 7.1 multi channel LPCM support through the latest firmware upate which I just applied.

When I attempt to send multichannel PCM from my PC, my AVR seems to just be receiving just 2 channels. It shows only the front 2 channels lit up on the front display, and wants to upconvert with Pro Logic, etc. I've read from other 247 owners that it shows "Multichannel PCM" on the front display when it's working.

In Control Panel -> Sound, "AMD HDMI Output" shows 8 channels available for output.

Any ideas?
post #5228 of 5243
Make sure the pc is set to use a 5.1 or 7.1 speaker system. On my system I had to specify that wasn't using stereo speakers but had a 5.1 system.
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Originally Posted by mattmooresucks View Post

I don't know if anybody's following this thread still, but if you are you may have a higher chance than the general public of being able to solve my problem:
I'm attempting to output multichannel PCM from blu-rays, .mkv's, and games from my Windows 7 rig.
Radeon 6950 -> HDMI -> Harman Kardon AVR 247 with firmware update.
Bitstreaming DD and DTS works fine.
Using Dolby Digital Live and DTS Connect to encode and send surround game audio works fine.
The AVR 247 supposedly gained 5.1 and 7.1 multi channel LPCM support through the latest firmware upate which I just applied.
When I attempt to send multichannel PCM from my PC, my AVR seems to just be receiving just 2 channels. It shows only the front 2 channels lit up on the front display, and wants to upconvert with Pro Logic, etc. I've read from other 247 owners that it shows "Multichannel PCM" on the front display when it's working.
In Control Panel -> Sound, "AMD HDMI Output" shows 8 channels available for output.
Any ideas?
post #5229 of 5243
Hello all! 1st post. I've been reading through this thread, and there is some good info. A lot of it. I have an avr 247. Don't know if it has the updated firmware. I recently got a new Epson power lite home cinema 710hd projector. I wanted to hook it up via the avr using the hdmi output, with my laptop going into one of the hdmi inputs. I get no audio or video through the receiver. When I hook the laptop right into the projector, I get audio and video. Wondering if the updated firmware might be a good place to start? Any other suggestions are appreciated.

Ps - I just tried to run the update installer and it gave me an error code.
Edited by mr e - 12/26/12 at 9:01pm
post #5230 of 5243
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Originally Posted by mr e View Post

Hello all! 1st post. I've been reading through this thread, and there is some good info. A lot of it. I have an avr 247. Don't know if it has the updated firmware. I recently got a new Epson power lite home cinema 710hd projector. I wanted to hook it up via the avr using the hdmi output, with my laptop going into one of the hdmi inputs. I get no audio or video through the receiver. When I hook the laptop right into the projector, I get audio and video. Wondering if the updated firmware might be a good place to start? Any other suggestions are appreciated.
Ps - I just tried to run the update installer and it gave me an error code.


What resolution are you using?
post #5231 of 5243
I just stumbled upon this thread after owning a 347 for 10 years or so. Wow.

Two questions:

1) I still own a set of Bose Acoustimass speakers (5 cubes and the bass module), and I'm not in the position to replace them yet. I know they are overrated and a pain, but they sound ok. After a recent move, I re-installed everything, and I would like to know if anyone else has Bose speakers connected to the 347, and what settings you chose for the speaker setup. We all know that the bass module processes and equalizes the sound, so I'm sure the AVR's EZSetup gets "fooled" by the equalized sound (or maybe not). I've read other threads linking the 2 (347 and Bose), and most start by saying to replace the Bose speakers and to get real speakers. As I said, I cant do that at this time, and I''d like to enjoy them a bit longer. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

2) I have my DISH DVR connected to the AVR via optical cable, and to the TV via HDMI; I dont want to hear everything (news, Seinfeld reruns, etc) in surround mode, thus the AVR stays off most of the time. I see that I can input using HDMI, and I ask 2 questions: A) If I connect my dish DVR to the AVR using HDMI, and from AVR I go to my TV also using HDMI, do I HAVE to turn on the AVR receiver to listen to my TV? Or does the signal pass through with the AVE being off. B) What sound is "better" optical or HDMI?

I have the same questions for my Blu Ray player, but if I get answers to question 2, I will apply the same thought process to it. I currently connect my Blu Ray player to the AVR using COax digital, but I am sure HDMI sound is better.

THanks
Edited by nabril - 12/27/12 at 8:36am
post #5232 of 5243
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Originally Posted by nabril View Post

I just stumbled upon this thread after owning a 347 for 10 years or so. Wow.
Two questions:
1) I still own a set of Bose Acoustimass speakers (5 cubes and the bass module), and I'm not in the position to replace them yet. I know they are overrated and a pain, but they sound ok. After a recent move, I re-installed everything, and I would like to know if anyone else has Bose speakers connected to the 347, and what settings you chose for the speaker setup. We all know that the bass module processes and equalizes the sound, so I'm sure the AVR's EZSetup gets "fooled" by the equalized sound (or maybe not). I've read other threads linking the 2 (347 and Bose), and most start by saying to replace the Bose speakers and to get real speakers. As I said, I cant do that at this time, and I''d like to enjoy them a bit longer. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
2) I have my DISH DVR connected to the AVR via optical cable, and to the TV via HDMI; I dont want to hear everything (news, Seinfeld reruns, etc) in surround mode, thus the AVR stays off most of the time. I see that I can input using HDMI, and I ask 2 questions: A) If I connect my dish DVR to the AVR using HDMI, and from AVR I go to my TV also using HDMI, do I HAVE to turn on the AVR receiver to listen to my TV? Or does the signal pass through with the AVE being off. B) What sound is "better" optical or HDMI?
I have the same questions for my Blu Ray player, but if I get answers to question 2, I will apply the same thought process to it. I currently connect my Blu Ray player to the AVR using COax digital, but I am sure HDMI sound is better.
THanks
1). You can use your old Bose acoustimass system for the speaker channels, however it should be supplemented with a real powered subwoofer for the ".1"/lfe/sub out channel from AVR
You can let ezset/eq do it's thing and see the results. Without a separate powered sub EZSet/EQ will say you have no sub (which is normal/correct, the acoustimass module is NOT a subwoofer) and will set all channels to small with a high crossover except for the fronts (which will be set as large)
If you set the crossovers manually, they will need to be high - 150 or 200hz setting for best results with all speaker channels 'small' and the extra powered sub.

If you do not add a powered sub any content below the crossover points will be lost. You can still keep the surrounds and center crossed over high, but the front channels will have to be set to large and sub setting off, This will redirect any low frequency content within the surround and center channels to the fronts (as well as LFE/sub) and consequently the bass module itself.

While the bass module can go as low as ~50hz within the +/-3db frequency range, the cubes themselves only get to ~210hz within +/-3db range - which makes the module extremely localizable. (This applies to nearly all small sub/sat systems) Anything below ~40hz is basically inaudible from the bass module, so again supplement the system with a separate powered sub for best results.

2) a)AVR must be on to pass through HDMI, leave it connected as you have it
B)there will be no sound quality difference, an HDMI connection for audio is not required for this source as it does not exceed the limitations of spdif digital (does not stream 7.1 PCM or the hd audio codecs (dtshd, truehd))

For your bluray player, DO use the HDMI connection for audio and video. The 247/347 can take 7.1 mpcm audio over HDMI with the final firmware version - so set your player to decode/output PCM and you will be able to enjoy the HD audio tracks on blurays with your older receiver, despite lacking on-board dts-hd or truehd decoding.
Leaving the players output resolution at 1080p will keep the receiver from doing any video processing, it will simply just pass it through.

BTW, the 247/347 is just over 5 years old now (2007 release)
Edited by dRockHK - 12/27/12 at 12:38pm
post #5233 of 5243
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Originally Posted by dRockHK View Post

1). You can use your old Bose acoustimass system for the speaker channels, however it should be supplemented with a real powered subwoofer for the ".1"/lfe/sub out channel from AVR
You can let ezset/eq do it's thing and see the results. Without a separate powered sub EZSet/EQ will say you have no sub (which is normal/correct, the acoustimass module is NOT a subwoofer) and will set all channels to small with a high crossover except for the fronts (which will be set as large)
If you set the crossovers manually, they will need to be high - 150 or 200hz setting for best results with all speaker channels 'small' and the extra powered sub.
If you do not add a powered sub any content below the crossover points will be lost. You can still keep the surrounds and center crossed over high, but the front channels will have to be set to large and sub setting off, This will redirect any low frequency content within the surround and center channels to the fronts (as well as LFE/sub) and consequently the bass module itself.
While the bass module can go as low as ~50hz within the +/-3db frequency range, the cubes themselves only get to ~210hz within +/-3db range - which makes the module extremely localizable. (This applies to nearly all small sub/sat systems) Anything below ~40hz is basically inaudible from the bass module, so again supplement the system with a separate powered sub for best results.
2) a)AVR must be on to pass through HDMI, leave it connected as you have it
B)there will be no sound quality difference, an HDMI connection for audio is not required for this source as it does not exceed the limitations of spdif digital (does not stream 7.1 PCM or the hd audio codecs (dtshd, truehd))
For your bluray player, DO use the HDMI connection for audio and video. The 247/347 can take 7.1 mpcm audio over HDMI with the final firmware version - so set your player to decode/output PCM and you will be able to enjoy the HD audio tracks on blurays with your older receiver, despite lacking on-board dts-hd or truehd decoding.
Leaving the players output resolution at 1080p will keep the receiver from doing any video processing, it will simply just pass it through.
BTW, the 247/347 is just over 5 years old now (2007 release)

thank you very much drock. I guess I can afford a new subwoofer since they shouldnt be too much. Any suggestions? I am not a major movie buff, but I do like bass in my music (Korn, Rush, techno).
post #5234 of 5243
I have an AVR 245 and have a question.

1. The HK Subwoofer bit it. I'm looking at replacing it with a Dayton - the Dayton only has speaker posts or the RCA jacks - no LFE single jack. Can I use a RCA Female to Dual RCA Male Adapter cable to connect to the AVR 245? Will I lose any signal at all?

Thanks for answering!
post #5235 of 5243
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Originally Posted by Knox Harrington View Post

I have an AVR 245 and have a question.

1. The HK Subwoofer bit it. I'm looking at replacing it with a Dayton - the Dayton only has speaker posts or the RCA jacks - no LFE single jack. Can I use a RCA Female to Dual RCA Male Adapter cable to connect to the AVR 245? Will I lose any signal at all?

Thanks for answering!

You won't lose anything. You can just use a y-cable.
post #5236 of 5243
Hi all,
After a VERY SLOW home theater build, I'm finally finished with the room!!! I had purchased my 247 as a refurb off ebay and had verified (a couple years ago) that I received one with the latest firmware. Even after spending a lot of time on this (very helpful) forum, I was never able to get my Toshiba HD-DVD player (HDA2 I believe is the model) to play through HDMI to AVR and from AVR through HDMI-DVI (as my Planar projector doesn't have HDMI input, but only DVI) to projector. I had to either run HDMI-DVI directly from HD DVD player (using optical audio to AVR) to PJ or run component video from HDDVD to PJ.
However, just last night I tried again (I had given up a couple years ago, but with the HT room finally done, gave it one more go) and IT WORKED!
So, since the AVR 247 passes through the video (and plays the audio) using HDMI in and out, I figured I'd borrow a Bluray player from a buddy and try that.
Unfortunately, I could get no sound or video when the BR player was playing a movie (Batman Begins - bluray) without running the HDMI-DVI directly from player to PJ.
With both the Samsung 3D BR player and the Toshiba HDDVD player in the middle of movies, I could switch the hdmi cable from one to the other with a consistent result, the AVR would play the signal from the HD-DVD player, but nothing from the BR player. If anyone has the fix, I'd be VERY grateful....I've been considering purchasing Sony's BDP-790 (at around $250 it is a pricey BR player) b/c it has two HDMI outputs that play simultaneously. I figured I could run one to the PJ and the other to the AVR. However, if there is a fix, I'd rather save $150 and just purchase the very similar BDP-590.
For the $150 difference,...maybe I'm better off buying a receiver that can handle HDMI better frown.gif ???
I'm still a fan of the HK sound (ever since the AVR 40 I bought in college....and still use for 2.1-channel music) I'd just really like something that can handle video too.
If anyone can fill in the part I'm missing, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Thanks.
post #5237 of 5243
Hi I have a HK 247 that was generously given to me after my Onkyo 707 sadly drowned in the sandy storm in my Brooklyn Apt. Oct. 2012. I have a couple of question as for as firmware upgrade. Would this cable be good to upgrade the software? http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-to-RS232-FEMALE-Serial-DB9-Cable-Adapter-for-XP-NEW-/350200599448?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5189951398 I also wanted to know If I could change the Ohm to 4, 6 or 8? I there Is I haven't found the option. Thank you kindly for your response.
Edited by afterlife2 - 3/19/13 at 12:26pm
post #5238 of 5243
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Originally Posted by afterlife2 View Post

Hi I have a HK 247 that was generously given to me after my Onkyo 707 sadly drowned in the sandy storm in my Brooklyn Apt. Oct. 2012. I have a couple of question as for as firmware upgrade. Would this cable be good to upgrade the software? http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-to-RS232-FEMALE-Serial-DB9-Cable-Adapter-for-XP-NEW-/350200599448?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5189951398 I also wanted to know If I could change the Ohm to 4, 6 or 8? I there Is I haven't found the option. Thank you kindly for your response.

Contact HK tech support they have a list of USB > RS232 adapters that work, most don't...
Reagrding the different Ohm's loudspeakers, HK does not use any switching for this point just connect up the loudspeakers and go..

Just my $0.02... 👍😉
post #5239 of 5243
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

Contact HK tech support they have a list of USB > RS232 adapters that work, most don't...
Reagrding the different Ohm's loudspeakers, HK does not use any switching for this point just connect up the loudspeakers and go..

Just my $0.02... 👍😉

Thanks M Mode! I ran the mic eq like 10 times and the surrounds were set to LARGE 40db Is that normal? The others are small and sub is 12:30 position and gave me -1db or 0db(left it there).
post #5240 of 5243
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post #5241 of 5243
you should still set them to small, and adjust the crossover accordingly.
post #5242 of 5243
Hi- My AVR-247 has decided to only play out of the left speakers. I have 2 small Energy speakers inside and 2 outside on the back deck. A few weeks ago I noticed that the right speaker inside wasn't playing and after checking noticed the same thing outside. If I connect the speaker to the left speaker connections they play. Any idea what could cause this?

Thanks,
John
post #5243 of 5243
Check the balance in the speaker menu. If its ok, them something may be blown.
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