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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
ok, i need some opinions on where I should mount my surrounds. in the links below there are basically 2 locations colored in red and blue. I suppose the ideal is on the side, slightly to the back... i know that already. aesthetically i'm not sure that is going to work so well. which brings me to the "rear and near the ceiling" position. I think the proximity is close enough where it doesn't make a difference.


http://picasaweb.google.com/substanc...85806193996322

http://picasaweb.google.com/substanc...85819078898226

thoughts?
post #2 of 13
Are you going 5.1 or 7.1?

If your going 7.1, I would have them all at the same height. Given that the LBS and RBS have to mounted high, so then are the LS and RS...

If your going 5.1, then the side locations are best. Height will be dependent on how physically large is the surround speaker -IE are you likely to bump into it at mid wall height...

Mark
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
I'm going 5.1. i'm aware that the sides were the best... i guess i posted that question to get responses on how bad it would be if I did mount them in the rear. I really don't like the idea of walking into the house and bumping into a surround speaker sticking out of the wall. Even if I use something like def tech promonitor 800s with omnimounts... they are gonna stick out of the wall a fair amount.
post #4 of 13
What about mounting them at the sides, but at the same height at shown for the rear option?

I had a similar situation a few years back and mounted them just above my standing height so that unless someone was taller then me, would not bump their heads...

Mark
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
that's a pretty good option. I may opt for that.
post #6 of 13
Any chance you can place the speakers in the back tri-corners of the room? That'll give you a good compromise between side and rear coverage. The wide spread will help maintain stereo separation. The multiple reflecting surfaces will give you nice envelopment.

Sanjay
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
the corners might be an option... a bookshelf might be blocking the line of sight on one side.. not sure. I'm not sure I follow you on the reflecting surfaces because if the speakers are not facing the corner, why would they reflect off them? unless the dispersion from the speaker is so wide it would still reflect off each wall???
post #8 of 13
+/-90 degree is best for envelopment, but no so good for rear imaging.
+/-135 degrees is better for rear imaging at te expense of envelopment.

The tri-corner location might give a little of both and is why the ITU-R recommends +/-110 degrees for the surrounds...

Mark
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by substance12 View Post

the corners might be an option... a bookshelf might be blocking the line of sight on one side.. not sure.

Can't tell from the photo, but if you moved the bookshelf into the corner, will the left surround speaker be in clear line of sight to the listeners?
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I'm not sure I follow you on the reflecting surfaces because if the speakers are not facing the corner, why would they reflect off them? unless the dispersion from the speaker is so wide it would still reflect off each wall???

Except for high frequencies, speakers tend to radiate sound pretty widely. The surround field is intended to wrap around you, which is difficult to do with only 2 speakers. Placing them in the corners will give you more reflections, making the sound more diffuse and enveloping. Think of it as a left arc and right arc, rather than two pinpoint locations for surround information.

Sanjay
post #10 of 13
Sanjay,

Would you suggest that he aims them down at the seating location, or fires them across at each other to take advantage of the splash off the ceiling?

Mark
post #11 of 13
Mark,

I would aim them roughly at the listening area, for a combination of direct and reflected sound. If the speakers are too noticeable, then they can be tilted upward for more reflected than direct sound.

BTW, I figured the location would be a decent balance between the two qualities you mentioned: rear imaging and side envelopment. It really is hard to both those things well with only 2 speakers.

Sanjay
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by substance12 View Post

I'm going 5.1. i'm aware that the sides were the best... i guess i posted that question to get responses on how bad it would be if I did mount them in the rear.

It won't be so bad. You won't go to prison for it.

Surround placement is often about compromise. In a room that's not a dedicated HT, you do what you have to do, aesthetically. That rear location isn't so bad. If you place the speakers on the rear wall, spead them as wide as possible. If you can't get them close to the corners, then aim them down and parallel to your side walls. If you can get them into the corners, aim them down and in toward your listening area. It'll work fine.
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

It won't be so bad. You won't go to prison for it.

Surround placement is often about compromise. In a room that's not a dedicated HT, you do what you have to do, aesthetically. That rear location isn't so bad. If you place the speakers on the rear wall, spead them as wide as possible. If you can't get them close to the corners, then aim them down and parallel to your side walls. If you can get them into the corners, aim them down and in toward your listening area. It'll work fine.

perfect. that, and the other discussion about "angles" was the sort of dialog i was hoping to read to further my understanding.
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