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post #1 of 25
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This is my first post in the BluRay forum so I might've missed something.... or a lot of things! But here's my dilema:

I've had a bunch of gift cards and coupons burning my pockets for a while, and finally couldn't wait any longer so I popped into BB last weekend to choose something. After reading the whole Blockbuster BR support I thought it was time to get a player.

Well once again, when I saw the demos at the store I wasn't impressed at all. They had a Sony player hooked to a Sony 1080p plasma monitor running the split screen demo one side supposedly BluRay and the other standard DVD. Aside from a slight blue hue in the BluRay picture, I saw absolutely no difference, and quite frankly both pictures looked 100 times worse than the picture I get from standard DVD on my projector. I was debating between a BlueRay player or an LCD TV, but seeing that demo completely turned me off of both. I ended up leaving the store with nothing again.

I mean seriously, am I blind or something? Aside from Chicken little I haven't seen a single demo neither on BluRay nor HD DVD that really looks better than DVD.
post #2 of 25
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

This is my first post in the BluRay forum so I might've missed something.... or a lot of things! But here's my dilema:

I've had a bunch of gift cards and coupons burning my pockets for a while, and finally couldn't wait any longer so I popped into BB last weekend to choose something. After reading the whole Blockbuster BR support I thought it was time to get a player.

Well once again, when I saw the demos at the store I wasn't impressed at all. They had a Sony player hooked to a Sony 1080p plasma monitor running the split screen demo one side supposedly BluRay and the other standard DVD. Aside from a slight blue hue in the BluRay picture, I saw absolutely no difference, and quite frankly both pictures looked 100 times worse than the picture I get from standard DVD on my projector. I was debating between a BlueRay player or an LCD TV, but seeing that demo completely turned me off of both. I ended up leaving the store with nothing again.

I mean seriously, am I blind or something? Aside from Chicken little I haven't seen a single demo neither on BluRay nor HD DVD that really looks better than DVD.

Im not gonna use the word blind but.....There is a reason why most people, definitely me, who own Blu Ray can not watch must SD anymore. Its not even close. I dont know what kind of display they had set up but I dont know how it could be even close in the PQ department. I have been sellling my Sds like crazy anytime I hear a possible announcement for it on BD as I know I wont ever watch that SD again.
post #3 of 25
I can't really comment on the demos because I haven't seen an in store demo for either.

But there are great looking live action (and of course CG) titles available on both formats.

If you have any local friends who own players maybe you could convince one to come to your house with their player to hook to your projector?

I would probably be willing to carry my PS3 to a friends house to show them, assuming there was some cold refreshment available.
post #4 of 25
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Originally Posted by Jiffylush View Post

I can't really comment on the demos because I haven't seen an in store demo for either.

But there are great looking live action (and of course CG) titles available on both formats.

If you have any local friends who own players maybe you could convince one to come to your house with their player to hook to your projector?

I would probably be willing to carry my PS3 to a friends house to show them, assuming there was some cold refreshment available.

LOL, I don't know anyone who has either. Maybe you should come, I am in SC so not too far.

I thought about the PS3, but that will mean spending way too much money on games that I'll probably play once or twice and at about $60 a pop that's a bit too much.

But seriously, someone who has a bluray player, please next time you're at Best Buy take a look at that split screen demo...
post #5 of 25
Well, split screen isn't a very good way to demo. Maybe two TVs being feed the same feed via HDMI inputs.. I have owned several projectors over the last 6 years and I see a huge difference in Blue-Ray and YD-DAVID... Take one home, and hook it up to your PJ and you will be turned... What are you using for a setup? Plus prices sure have come way down.... So to me, to answer your question "Is Blurry Worth it?" a big huge "YES"......... Currently using a 92" DAYLIT HP Screen and I noticed it right away so did my wife.. Now on smaller screens this might not be as noticable..
post #6 of 25
Most demo's at stores, regardless of format aren't really great because the displays aren't calibrated properly. And I would try to do what Jiffylush recommended and ask someone you know to bring their player over and demo it on your own projector if they have one.
post #7 of 25
Thread Starter 
Well that's the thing, I don't know anyone who has one. On top of that my projector is only 480p, so will it make any difference? I think I'd rather get an HD projector first.
post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

Well that's the thing, I don't know anyone who has one. On top of that my projector is only 480p, so will it make any difference? I think I'd rather get an HD projector first.

Yup, a new PJ would greatly enhance your viewing... So most likely the picture is being down converted... If you use a good 720p or 1080p PJ you will notice a big difference.
post #9 of 25
IMO, the difference between SD and HD is not subtle on a screen of any size. I find myself watching only Blu Ray discs now.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

Well that's the thing, I don't know anyone who has one. On top of that my projector is only 480p, so will it make any difference? I think I'd rather get an HD projector first.

definitely. you need at least 720p and if you want to use a really big screen 1080p.
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

Well that's the thing, I don't know anyone who has one. On top of that my projector is only 480p, so will it make any difference? I think I'd rather get an HD projector first.

To me, it makes no sense at all to get anything HD if you are going to project the image via 480p projector.
In case you want to watch a demo, try one of those BestBuy stores with Magnolia "home theater" store inside, they have much better setups compared to regular stores.
post #12 of 25
Thread Starter 
Don't have magonlia stores around. I did try a brand new Circuit City though, which has fairly nice demos set up, as well as a tweeter. I am still not impressed. Maybe it's the flat panel displays they use, I don't know, the images seem too grainy to me, they look like paintings not like film.
post #13 of 25
Well, seems you are out of luck finding a decent demo setup then. But believe, people would not be spending this much money and be happy about it if they would get grainy picture. Withh even modest displays the advantages of Blu-Ray PQ are very evident, the larger the screen size the more striking the difference is.
post #14 of 25
You would probably still see some improvement on a 480p display. But HD on an HD display is where it's at.


Sucks, you can't get a good demo though. The best demo displays I have seen, have still not been so great though.
post #15 of 25
There was no need to report him. He has a valid point. There is at least one thread a day on each side that some one starts where they cant see an improvement over SD.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by theforce8686 View Post

There was no need to report him. He has a valid point. There is at least one thread a day on each side that some one starts where they cant see an improvement over SD.

maybe he did have a valid point, but that still didn't give him the right to insult me.
post #17 of 25
You should view a good demo before making your opinion as others have said. Personally, I'd take the gift cards and coupons and get the LCD TV or a new projector before I bought a BR player. Prices will only come down, selection widen, and specs finalize in the coming months for BR players.
post #18 of 25
I would recommend the PS3.
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

Maybe it's the flat panel displays they use, I don't know, the images seem too grainy to me, they look like paintings not like film.

That's probably because the sharpness is jacked way up from the factory "vivid" settings. I have seen some pretty poor Blu-ray displays also because of this. You really need to compare Blu-ray and regular DVD on a display with zero edge enhancement - then you'll see the huge difference (provided the display is big enough).
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

This is my first post in the BluRay forum so I might've missed something.... or a lot of things! But here's my dilema:

I've had a bunch of gift cards and coupons burning my pockets for a while, and finally couldn't wait any longer so I popped into BB last weekend to choose something. After reading the whole Blockbuster BR support I thought it was time to get a player.

Well once again, when I saw the demos at the store I wasn't impressed at all. They had a Sony player hooked to a Sony 1080p plasma monitor running the split screen demo one side supposedly BluRay and the other standard DVD. Aside from a slight blue hue in the BluRay picture, I saw absolutely no difference, and quite frankly both pictures looked 100 times worse than the picture I get from standard DVD on my projector. I was debating between a BlueRay player or an LCD TV, but seeing that demo completely turned me off of both. I ended up leaving the store with nothing again.

I mean seriously, am I blind or something? Aside from Chicken little I haven't seen a single demo neither on BluRay nor HD DVD that really looks better than DVD.




If you are using a projection setup, you should be able to see an ENMOROUS improvement when you switch from standard definition to High Definition.

Generally, those with bigger displays will see the most improvement when the switch to HD.

It's difficult to see differences between SD and HD on a 30 inch or less display.

Think of what a small picture looks like on your computer when you zoom. It will look grainy and pixelated.

If you had a higher resolution setup, then everything looks much sharper and more detailed. Once you get used to that, it's difficult to go back to SD.
post #21 of 25
Transfer Quality:
A good DVD transfer on a top notch DVD player > a crappy transfer on BR or HD-DVD.

Processing (scaling):
A native resolution other than 1920 × 1080 on your TV will force additional processing (scaling) of the image. The cheaper hi-def players are not good at scaling and can produce artifacts. My projector is better at scaling than my HD-D2 player, so I send a 1080i signal to my projector and let the scaling occur there.

Improper Display Setup:
Retail stores are notorious for doing a terrible job calibrating TV sets to their DVD/BR/HD-DVD players. They usually leave the TVs in "torch mode", with brightness jacked up so high that it washes out image detail. They also neglect to calibrate the display to the source equipment using something like Digital Video Essentials. For this reason, I never buy electronics based on the in-store experience.

If you want to try before you buy, then I would go to a high-end home theater shop to see a unit that is properly configured. Alternatively, you can visit stores that sit between high-end and Best Buy, such as Magnolia or Tweeters (better hurry, they filed for Chapter 11 protection).
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

This is my first post in the BluRay forum so I might've missed something.... or a lot of things! But here's my dilema:

I've had a bunch of gift cards and coupons burning my pockets for a while, and finally couldn't wait any longer so I popped into BB last weekend to choose something. After reading the whole Blockbuster BR support I thought it was time to get a player.

Well once again, when I saw the demos at the store I wasn't impressed at all. They had a Sony player hooked to a Sony 1080p plasma monitor running the split screen demo one side supposedly BluRay and the other standard DVD. Aside from a slight blue hue in the BluRay picture, I saw absolutely no difference, and quite frankly both pictures looked 100 times worse than the picture I get from standard DVD on my projector. I was debating between a BlueRay player or an LCD TV, but seeing that demo completely turned me off of both. I ended up leaving the store with nothing again.

I mean seriously, am I blind or something? Aside from Chicken little I haven't seen a single demo neither on BluRay nor HD DVD that really looks better than DVD.

There is definitely a difference, but, as everyone has pointed out, store setups can be really bad.

I should mention that Sony doesn't have a 1080p plasma, so I don't know what you were really watching.
post #23 of 25
Thread Starter 
All you guys have said really makes sense. I just keep thinking that with a technology as new and expensive as this, the stores would try their best to promote it. That's why I thought that I had a better chance of seeing BluRay's true potential at a store demo on a top notch 1080p display, than on my yesteryear projector at home. It will be a significant investment for me if I decide to upgrade now, since I'll need a new projector, and of course eventually a new receiver etc. I keep convincing myself to start from somewhere, and still the BluRay player is much cheaper than a new high def projector, but everytime I walk in the store with a firm intetion to buy one, I look at those demos and I end up deciding to wait. So it's kind of a circle - I wouldn't have much of an improvement in the picture from a new projector if I use a DVD player with it, and I wouldn't see much improvement from a BluRay player without a new projector. So basically I have to buy both together...

A few weeks ago I saw somewhere advertised free HD DVD player with a hi def TV or projector purchase... now I am waiting to see something like this but with a free BluRay player. That would make the jump much less painful.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Jay_Davis View Post

There is definitely a difference, but, as everyone has pointed out, store setups can be really bad.

I should mention that Sony doesn't have a 1080p plasma, so I don't know what you were really watching.

It might've been LCD, it was a Sony Bravia display with a 1080p sticker on it.
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

It might've been LCD, it was a Sony Bravia display with a 1080p sticker on it.


that's a nice one (own one myself). probably not calibrated properly or running in vivid mode (not sure about quality of the source).
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