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post #1 of 33
Thread Starter 
I ask only because I hadn't visited the forum in quite a while until this week.
I actually stopped by hoping to a read a discussion of 'Sicko'. But I couldn't find
any hint of one (open or closed). So then I asked a couple of folks via PM and they didn't know if there had been a thread either.
Is it now a policy that there will be no discussion of Moore's movies?
post #2 of 33
I hope not. I haven't seen Sicko yet. I intend to.
post #3 of 33
Wazzup Robert!

It probably has more to do with the fact that many of us wont go to a theater to watch a documentary, when our DVD theaters will perform fine for that purpose.

I actually would go, if I could interest someone else in my life to go see it. But alas, I have been unsucessful, and may wait for the DVD.
post #4 of 33
There's no ban, hopefully its just that forum members aren't interested in discussing this arrogant, self-important buffoon. Of course that's just my opinion, I won't hold it against anyone if they listen to his tripe. Unlike Mr. Moore, I can respect people with differing opinions.
post #5 of 33
Nothing against Moore, but I really cannot stomach any more Liberal propaganda Docs. After F911 and the Wholly inaccurate Gore Doc, I'll pass and stick with quality non-poltical driven stuff like Planet Earth.
post #6 of 33
yeah..what methos and Buckeye said!
post #7 of 33
Robert, the posts above are perfect examples of why it might be a good idea to place a ban on Moore. Most people just don't have it in them to discuss hot-button topics rationally and without invective or demonization.
post #8 of 33
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Originally Posted by Flave View Post

Robert, the posts above are perfect examples of why it might be a good idea to place a ban on Moore. Most people just don't have it in them to discuss hot-button topics rationally and without invective or demonization.

The problem is that Moore is so politically driven that you cannot seperate his docs from his Liberal Agenda, because in the end they are one and the same, so any discussion will just break down into Blue vs. Red.
post #9 of 33
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Originally Posted by Flave View Post

Most people just don't have it in them to discuss hot-button topics rationally and without invective or demonization.

Gee, you mean just like Michael Moore?
post #10 of 33
Thread Starter 
Okay, my question has been answered. Moderator you can now close this thread.
I've enjoyed my brief visit here. Hope to see you again sometime.
post #11 of 33
From everything I've been reading about this film, it's his least overtly "politicized" movie yet. He just presents real-life situations experienced by real-life people, and gets out of the way. It's a message we all need to hear if we ever plan on getting sick.

Moore brings a lot of baggage with him, and there's a vindictive firestorm that arises whenever he gets close to bringing a film to market, mostly by people who have no intention of going to see the film and who don't want to hear the message, and don't want anyone else to hear it either.

This film should be fine for discussion if the Moore haters can just keep it in check. If they can't, then I challenge Larry to keep a thread devoted to it (not this one) open in spite of them, just this once. There are people who are interested in the movie, and want to know about it the same way any other movie is discussed here. To do that will require the haters discovering their "inner grown-up". It's in there somewhere.

If they want to indulge their hatred of Moore, there are plenty of other places on the net where they can do so to their heart's content and be suitably cheered on. We should be able to discuss his movie here without that, however.
post #12 of 33
Now I don't hate Moore, I loved Bowling for Columbine, But I utterly hated F911 simply because I am in the Military and know for a fact that he was inncorrect on many points. I also thought he was being just a tad heartless in how he went back to the Mom who's Son died in Iraq, who was in the begining proud of his actions. When Sicko is released on DVD, I'll give it a shot though.
post #13 of 33
It must suck to have your worldview challenged by an "in your face" guy like Moore
and then 3 years later, watch history prove the guy was basically right.
post #14 of 33
Who me? Nothing has changed for me, and the things he was wrong on back then he is still wrong on.
post #15 of 33
No not for you, thats true. But for the about 40-50% of the conservative voters, Moore (and others) has shown them the truth, and they have responded at the ballot box.

Now just watch, we will have universal health care in 5-10 years.
post #16 of 33
I see, I am a moderate myself so I go both ways, somethings like Global Warming I just buy because of my background in Evolutionary Biology so I am a conservative on that issues, but I agree with the more liberal side in that we should progress with Stem cell research.
post #17 of 33
saw sicko a few weeks ago. It tries to stick with real life accounts and stories more than driving home some political agenda. Moore doesn't stalk some mysterious powerful higher up instead he just keeps showing how people have been screwed over by insurance companies and how other countries deal with their insurance systems. In the end he does push for unified health care but it also represents a perfect documentary about reforming the failing health care in the country.
post #18 of 33
I've also seen 'Sicko', and it has some very valid points. Our health care system is screwed up and in dire need of being fixed. Will this documentary start the ball rolling to health care reform? IMHO our health care system will never change, too many people are making too much money to let that happen. But who knows, if enough people get fed up with the way things are......

This movie is not political, as MM says both "Democrats and Republicans get sick and need health care". This movie is about how messed up our health care is not right/left, red or blue. You are doing yourself an injustice not to view this documentary just because you don't like MM.
post #19 of 33
Wouldn't it be helpful to hear the two or three biggest, most meaningful mistakes Moore made in Fahrenheit 9/11 so we can address them specifically? It seems to me that would be an acceptable way to discuss the value of any documentary (or filmmed editorial comment), whatever the subject matter. I mean, if it turned out those penguins regularly take a shuttle bus between the food and the birthing grounds, I'd probably change my opinon of that documentary, too.

I pay fairly close attention to the news on a daily basis and I don't recall any major point Moore made in F-9/11 that has not been proven more true with every passing year, including the section on the Walter Reed medical facility.

Sicko, btw, is great. Highly recommended.

The free market isn't the solution for every challenge. Healthcare is one of those challenges where the free market has made it far less effective and much more expensive.
post #20 of 33
It seems that many of our problems with healthcare stem from something that has been happening over the past several years: lawyers declared war on doctors. The lawyers are winning. And our lawmakers are certainly more aligned with the lawyers than with the doctors, so the tide won't likely turn soon. Two things would address the problems: 1. Tort reform; 2. Term limits.
post #21 of 33
Sicko is MM's most unpolitically bised film but the facts are that he twists and flat out lies (anyone seen his satellite truck?) just to propogate his views..hence the problem with MM.
post #22 of 33
It's never as simple as that. There are serious problems with malpractice and incompetence in the health care world, and people getting seriously screwed up because of it. They don't deserve more protections than any other industry for their mistakes. I would be against anything that attempted to make the health care system immune from paying for their mistakes because it gets rid of the feedback system that provides a very strong incentive not to make them. I would be for very serious penalties for bogus and fraudulent law suits.
post #23 of 33
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Originally Posted by SbWillie View Post

Sicko is MM's most unpolitically bised film but the facts are that he twists and flat out lies (anyone seen his satellite truck?) just to propogate his views..hence the problem with MM.

Please point out the lies in 'Sicko'.
post #24 of 33
Its not a movie, so 'Consider the source', which is why I probably won't watch it.

I used to enjoy An Awful truth, I think that was the TV show he did way back when.

Edit: I was curious so I did a search on Sicko and lies and there are some results. If you are actually interested in the opposing viewpoint I'm sure you'll find them too
post #25 of 33
To the OP's question, it's not worth trying this here. Remember that everyone else thinks all art occured in France during the Renaissance, all history was made only by white people and only during WWII, and everything on The Factor is true. Stick to those truths, and pretend that everyone is married to a whining Meg Ryan fan who won't let you have fun and buys shoes all day, and you'll get along.

post #26 of 33
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Originally Posted by SbWillie View Post

Sicko is MM's most unpolitically bised film but the facts are that he twists and flat out lies (anyone seen his satellite truck?) just to propogate his views..hence the problem with MM.

The irony here; people complain about MM and his lies, then turn on the radio and listen to Rush. Ultimately, people are nothing more than pawns being played by the right and the left; each claiming the other is incompetent and corrupt. And while the pawns whine back and forth with each other, the politicians continue to get away with breaking the law. Rather than the pawns uniting to make this a better country by stopping the illegalities of politicians, they stay loyal to their party and play the juvenile game of; their guy did it when he was in office, so our guy can do it. In the end, we pawns lose and the politicians continue to manipulate and break the law.

This will be a rental.
post #27 of 33
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

The irony here; people complain about MM and his lies, then turn on the radio and listen to Rush. Ultimately, people are nothing more than pawns being played by the right and the left; each claiming the other is incompetent and corrupt. And while the pawns whine back and forth with each other, the politicians continue to get away with breaking the law. Rather than the pawns uniting to make this a better country by stopping the illegalities of politicians, they stay loyal to their party and play the juvenile game of; their guy did it when he was in office, so our guy can do it. In the end, we pawns lose and the politicians continue to manipulate and break the law.

This will be a rental.


I think politics are funny myself, just as an example I love how the libs attack conservatives for not being open to differences in people and for being Bigots, Xenophobes, etc, while that by not realizing that they by attacking Conservatives for thse things are infact showing that they are everything they accuse the conservatives of as well. Take the same-sex issue for example, by attacking the conservatives for being against it on the grounds that people are different and have different needs, opinions, thoughts, etc, they are being bigots themselves for not accepting that conservatives think differently from them . Its just one big goofy circle.
post #28 of 33
Aliens, you make a good argument for term limits. I've been a proponent of them for some time now, believing that elected representatives have come to see their jobs as "keeping their jobs," rather than serving the people who sent them to D.C.
It will be tough to get term limits, however, as the lawmakers themselves are the biggest opponents.
"SiCKO" has been shown with the capitalization I use in this sentence; anyone know why?
post #29 of 33
I wantta see this 1
Lol
Go MM Go
post #30 of 33
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Originally Posted by IAM4UK View Post

...elected representatives have come to see their jobs as "keeping their jobs," rather than serving the people who sent them to D.C.

Exactly, Wildcat.
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