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post #4561 of 5561
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Originally Posted by maladjusted View Post

Well if we all thought this way about PRC made units,we probably would'nt have half the gear we have now....My c607 have the "fake stuff" you mention & they seem fine to me,solid,well built cabinets at their pricepoint IMO.Also,yes the c8xx are indeed a much better built speaker but you mention that the c807 in excess of 60lbs,are much heavier than the e680 at 30lbs each.Why not compare the c807 against the c607,which weigh in at almost 50lbs each?Also saying 'the c8x are in a different league' is fair enough as long as you mention that they cost 3x times as much as the nearest C series speaker,also i would'nt agree anyway,yes buildwise they are in a different league,but soundwise i'd like to hear that one for myself as the use almost the same drivers and definately the same tweeters,at different sizes,i know.IMHO i would say they obviously sound better,yes,but in a different league....im not so sure.Also,Jamo speakers are still designed and engineered in Denmark.Like B&W are in sussex UK,but also assembled and packaged in PRC.

Honestly, the C807 are much better than the C607. You know I have owned both of them and I honestly love both of those speaker models equally, for different reasons.

With all thing in the system being equal.....

The C807 really have a much bigger, wider, more dynamic/punchy presentation. The bass response is much more powerful and prominent.

As you go lower through the bass frequencies (say 80hz down to 35hz), the C807's bass response remains more prominent, more even and present.

While the bass response of the C607 starts to taper off, sooner and it takes higer levels of gain/volume to get the bass to be more prom inent; but the bass response still becomes fainter, sooner, than the C807.

The C807 is also a little more clearer than the C607. A wee-bit more revealing, than the C607. But not clinical, not overly-revealing or dry sounding. The C607 is a little more forgiving, darker and a little warmer.

But this is all just in comparison. They are more similar, than they are disimilar when it comes to sound character or tonal voicing.

The C807 are a bit more efficient and dynamic, for sure.

So you can see how I would like the C607 with certain not so well recorded/mastered albums/CDs and like the C807 with the higher quality recordings/masterings. But ultimately, the C807 is still more forgiving than most speakers on the market.

As always, all this is subject to influence by the components feeding these speakers (CD/DVD Player, Blur-ray, preamp or receiver/amplifier and room acoustics). So one's results may vary depending on these mentioned contributing factors.

Best thing to do is to audition a lot of the above mentioned components, take notes on each component and put your system together to achieve what ever sound you prefer. And address room acoustics.
post #4562 of 5561
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Originally Posted by maladjusted View Post

Funny you should say that T,I absolutely love the sound from an LP or decent 12" EP,I Was recently thinking of getting a T.table back again as there is a good amount of stuff around and then i thought no wait,i dont know if the AVR has a phono in,but low & behold it has a proper line-in with grounding!!!So i was browsing ebay for turntables & its surprising how reasonable i can pick up a decent Rega or thorens with a decent cartridge.Prob 15-20 yrs old yes but i love the sound that comes from a decent TT.


For sure, Mal. I love good vinyl!!

I also love well recorded and well mastered CDs, DVD-Audio discs, SACD and Blu-Ray.

But I started doing vinyl again back in 2005 or 2006. There's nothing quite like a good vinyl record. So natural in it's presentation and sound. Well, of course Reel to Reel tapes were always the best, but I couldn't afford that when I was a kid or teenager.
post #4563 of 5561
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Originally Posted by sapman986 View Post

I have recently bought an s606 HCS 5.0 system and an Emotiva 12 sub. I wanted to add rears and got a pair of c403s from Vanns.

The c403s are much bigger than the bookshelf speakers in the s606 HCS. Which would be better suited for the rears?

The room is 25x14 and the receiver is a Vsx 1020

Anyone?
post #4564 of 5561
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Originally Posted by sapman986 View Post

Anyone?


The C403 will be great for rears. You already have them. So why spend more money on rears?

Unless of course you or your significant other don't like the fact that they won't be an aesthetic match. Or if you plan on setting up another system in the house in the bedroom or den ...or some other room.
post #4565 of 5561
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Originally Posted by TjMV3 View Post


The C403 will be great for rears. You already have them. So why spend more money on rears?

Unless of course you or your significant other don't like the fact that they won't be an aesthetic match. Or if you plan on setting up another system in the house in the bedroom or den ...or some other room.

Actually i was wondering if they would be better as rears or sides and put the bookshelfs that came with the s606 as the rears.

Thanks
post #4566 of 5561
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Originally Posted by sapman986 View Post

Actually i was wondering if they would be better as rears or sides and put the bookshelfs that came with the s606 as the rears.

Thanks

Oh I see.


Try them in both positions, as a rear with the S606 system bookshelf speakers as the sides. And then the other way. See what sounds better to your ears.

I'm of the opinion that the C403 will be better as Rears, because the rears get more information and use during most movies, than the sides.

But listen for yourself and see what sounds better to you.
post #4567 of 5561
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Originally Posted by TjMV3 View Post

Oh I see.


Try them in both positions, as a rear with the S606 system bookshelf speakers as the sides. And then the other way. See what sounds better to your ears.

I'm of the opinion that the C403 will be better as Rears, because the rears get more information and use during most movies, than the sides.

But listen for yourself and see what sounds better to you.

Perfect, that's exactly the kind of answer I was looking for.

Another question on the C403s - What is the best mounting hardware for them? I was going to use normal drywall anchors and screws with the two brackets that are already on each speaker, but the speakers seem to be a bit heavy for that and the weight is concentrated on the part of the speaker farthest from the wall, so there's a lever effect.
post #4568 of 5561
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Originally Posted by sapman986 View Post


Perfect, that's exactly the kind of answer I was looking for.

Another question on the C403s - What is the best mounting hardware for them? I was going to use normal drywall anchors and screws with the two brackets that are already on each speaker, but the speakers seem to be a bit heavy for that and the weight is concentrated on the part of the speaker farthest from the wall, so there's a lever effect.

Did you attach the included adhesive spacers to the bottom rear of the speakers?
post #4569 of 5561
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Originally Posted by sapman986 View Post

Perfect, that's exactly the kind of answer I was looking for.

Another question on the C403s - What is the best mounting hardware for them? I was going to use normal drywall anchors and screws with the two brackets that are already on each speaker, but the speakers seem to be a bit heavy for that and the weight is concentrated on the part of the speaker farthest from the wall, so there's a lever effect.

Do you already have these? I ordered a pair with intentions of wall mounting them as well until I realized how deep they really are. I will be going with some floor stands but they also make speaker wall mounts. These are the ones I was looking at.

http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-Unive...6190910&sr=8-5
post #4570 of 5561
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Originally Posted by maladjusted View Post

Well if we all thought this way about PRC made units,we probably would'nt have half the gear we have now....My c607 have the "fake stuff" you mention & they seem fine to me,solid,well built cabinets at their pricepoint IMO.Also,yes the c8xx are indeed a much better built speaker but you mention that the c807 in excess of 60lbs,are much heavier than the e680 at 30lbs each.Why not compare the c807 against the c607,which weigh in at almost 50lbs each?Also saying 'the c8x are in a different league' is fair enough as long as you mention that they cost 3x times as much as the nearest C series speaker,also i would'nt agree anyway,yes buildwise they are in a different league,but soundwise i'd like to hear that one for myself as the use almost the same drivers and definately the same tweeters,at different sizes,i know.IMHO i would say they obviously sound better,yes,but in a different league....im not so sure.Also,Jamo speakers are still designed and engineered in Denmark.Like B&W are in sussex UK,but also assembled and packaged in PRC.

Ok, so let me elaborate - I merely said that I would like to see real wood. I never implied that the build quality was anything other than good. At this price point though, I understand. I did not compare the C80x series to C60x series simply because I do not have any experience with the C60x, only with the E660 and 680. I will also say that the C807s sounded very dull for at least 20-30 hours. I had to drive them at decent sound levels for that long before they opened up. Now...as far as the cost being 3x that of the nearest other C series, that is relative - depends on how much you pay. All I will say is that I got them for a *very* reasonable price NIB, much less than you would guess. And that includes C807s, C80 surround dipoles.

I also agree with TjMV3's assessment of the 807s. I do not have the luxury of comparing them to the C60x series. I will also emphasize again - the depth and clarity the 807s offer for my tastes - jazz, blues/rock, usually analog bypass/source direct modes (CD/redbook and FLAC formats) and analog 7.1 out for movies, as well as a good dose of vinyl (B&O TX2 and a decent MC/MM phono stage), has been very satisfying for my tastes, at a price point I would not have thought possible. Thanks.
post #4571 of 5561
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Originally Posted by rlj2000 View Post

Did you attach the included adhesive spacers to the bottom rear of the speakers?

No, but I am not sure where you are going with that?
post #4572 of 5561
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Originally Posted by d12d View Post

Do you already have these? I ordered a pair with intentions of wall mounting them as well until I realized how deep they really are. I will be going with some floor stands but they also make speaker wall mounts. These are the ones I was looking at.

http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-Unive...6190910&sr=8-5

Yes, I have the speakers already. I read those mounts were very good also.
post #4573 of 5561
mpansare,for the price the c607's are hard to beat.i will echo tjmv3's thoughts on having good source equipment to power them.when I switched from a one year old pioneer vsx919 to a new marantz sr5005 the difference was amazing,the marantz is just so much warmer I could just listen to them hours on end.in the end it boils down to what you like.I like the warm and laid back nature of Jamo and the concert series lives up to its name.this is a hobby that should be fun.so take your time and listen to as much gear as you can,in the end there is some thing for every body.

good hunting, U..
post #4574 of 5561
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Originally Posted by maladjusted View Post

Funny you should say that T,I absolutely love the sound from an LP or decent 12" EP,I Was recently thinking of getting a T.table back again as there is a good amount of stuff around and then i thought no wait,i dont know if the AVR has a phono in,but low & behold it has a proper line-in with grounding!!!So i was browsing ebay for turntables & its surprising how reasonable i can pick up a decent Rega or thorens with a decent cartridge.Prob 15-20 yrs old yes but i love the sound that comes from a decent TT.

Mal,I just listened to the double cd "Just one night" of eric clapton.I had the album years ago and have had the cd for about 18 years,this was the first time I listened to it through the c607's and was just grinning with happiness.I am very familiar with this cd and the 607's shocked me again with how much detail they reveal.this is a live recording from around 1980 so its not the newest studio stuff thats out now but boy did it sound good.as happy as i was with the s506 system the step up to the 607's was worth the wait.
post #4575 of 5561
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Originally Posted by hifi999 View Post

Dear Afrogt,

i already have c607,c60,c603's (7.0).i really love this system.fantastic for music.i can't find any speaker even close to it for the price range.great for the price.i bought after got advice from you,so vey thankful for that.

i would like to add a sub if necessary.i listen music 80% and movie and tv sport(20%).the subs which in on my budget are

1)Polk audio psw 110 /125
2) Jamo sub 250/300.
3) JBL The Venue Series SUB10 /sub12
4) The Mordaunt-Short Carnival 9
5) Paradigm: PDR-8
6) jamo sub 650-
(its expensive,if its worth i can afford)

Number 1-5 are almost same price range.i have to choose 1 from the above list because other Europian/American subs are not available here.

Room area 17 square meter.

Thanks a lot

hifi,I almost have the same system as you except I use a c80cen for the center.I also use a Jamo sub550.it sounds great for movies and music. if you look around there are deals to be had on that sub,i got mine for less than 150 dollars.it was listed as used but came in the original box and plastic but was missing the power cord,an eight dollar fix.so if you can find one i think you will be happy with it.
post #4576 of 5561
thanks ubersonic.

is sub650 big for my room size,or do you think it will be fine with 17 square meter room.this is my first quality setup so i need more information.some say big subs for big room.Do you think it won't be a problem in this case??

is it make a big difference when u use c80 center?.

thx again
post #4577 of 5561
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Originally Posted by ubersonic View Post

mpansare,for the price the c607's are hard to beat.i will echo tjmv3's thoughts on having good source equipment to power them.when I switched from a one year old pioneer vsx919 to a new marantz sr5005 the difference was amazing,the marantz is just so much warmer I could just listen to them hours on end.in the end it boils down to what you like.I like the warm and laid back nature of Jamo and the concert series lives up to its name.this is a hobby that should be fun.so take your time and listen to as much gear as you can,in the end there is some thing for every body.

good hunting, U..

Agreed.....about 1-2 decades ago, everyone would say 'speakers are the weakest link'. These days, with all the newfangled digital stuff, I've come to realize it is a combination of everything. When I started my upgrades, I went with an H-K receiver. All I will say (my opinion only, this echoes what TjMV3 said about the Anthem) is 'utter garbage', and that's putting it mildly. Sound? Thin and tinny. HDMI? Constant audio dropouts. Logic7 mode? Appeared it was dropping the entire midrange, except if used only in bypass stereo mode. H-K's version of Audyssey/MCACC (whatever it is called - I don't remember now) - never came close to gauging correct speaker distances by a long shot.

Eventually, I decided to go HDMI to TV only and maintain an analog 7.1 path to the pre/pro and amp (plus TOSlink for digital occasionally). I settled for a Nuforce AVP 17 pre/pro and a Rotel 5 channel Class D with B&O ICEPower modules. I could not be more happier, especially for the budget I was able to put all of it together for. This is paired with a Panasonic BD85K bluray, and a Panasonic 54G25 plasma with THX mode. The Jamos in this setup, as many have mentioned, are so neutral, laid back, and true to source, you can listen for hours on end, even with high volumes, and not have any ear fatigue.

I'm a Clapton fan and a huge Joe Bonamassa fan (Joe WHO???) .....try 'Live from Nowhere in Particular', 'Blues Deluxe', 'Ballad of John Henry', and of course the newest CD, 'Dust Bowl'. If you've never heard of him (I had not), you will be hooked. His live shows are killer!
post #4578 of 5561
I have a jamo 413 5.1 system. I want to upgrade the center speaker. Originally, I wanted to upgrade to a Polk cs20; however, I want it to match with my other speakers. Would this be okay or should I use another center speaker ($160 or less)?
post #4579 of 5561
The s413 center is the match, the Polk definitely wont match.
post #4580 of 5561
Dear Aforgt,

have u seen my post?... any thoghts on that?.

thx
hifi
post #4581 of 5561
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Originally Posted by hifi999 View Post

thanks ubersonic.

is sub650 big for my room size,or do you think it will be fine with 17 square meter room.this is my first quality setup so i need more information.some say big subs for big room.Do you think it won't be a problem in this case??

is it make a big difference when u use c80 center?.

thx again

hifi,i am not sure what a 17sq/m room translates to in sq/ft,but with the built in room EQing software in the newer receivers I am sure it could compensate for the sub650.maladjusted has a sub650 so he could answer your question better than I.as far a using the c80cen with the c607's I love it.the sound quility and the clarity is very good and it matches well with the rest of my system.
post #4582 of 5561
17 Square meters is the equivalent of a room that's about 14' x 13'. Just a tiny bit under 14' x 13'.

The SUB650 is probably too much for that room, but, as Ubersonic said, you can adjust your setting to compensate for the room and it will work beautifully.

It's a good idea to go with the SUB650, because, if you ever move your system into a bigger room; the SUB650 will be fully capable for a bigger room and you won't have to buy another subwoofer. So you'll be ready for any future systems, in any future larger rooms.

I've seen guys with larger subs in similar sized rooms (even smaller rooms than 14' x 13') and they make it work. So you'll be fine with the SUB650, should you choose to go with it.
post #4583 of 5561
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Originally Posted by TjMV3 View Post
Honestly, the C807 are much better than the C607. You know I have owned both of them and I honestly love both of those speaker models equally, for different reasons.

With all thing in the system being equal.....

The C807 really have a much bigger, wider, more dynamic/punchy presentation. The bass response is much more powerful and prominent.

As you go lower through the bass frequencies (say 80hz down to 35hz), the C807's bass response remains more prominent, more even and present.

While the bass response of the C607 starts to taper off, sooner and it takes higer levels of gain/volume to get the bass to be more prom inent; but the bass response still becomes fainter, sooner, than the C807.

The C807 is also a little more clearer than the C607. A wee-bit more revealing, than the C607. But not clinical, not overly-revealing or dry sounding. The C607 is a little more forgiving, darker and a little warmer.

But this is all just in comparison. They are more similar, than they are disimilar when it comes to sound character or tonal voicing.

The C807 are a bit more efficient and dynamic, for sure.

So you can see how I would like the C607 with certain not so well recorded/mastered albums/CDs and like the C807 with the higher quality recordings/masterings. But ultimately, the C807 is still more forgiving than most speakers on the market.

As always, all this is subject to influence by the components feeding these speakers (CD/DVD Player, Blur-ray, preamp or receiver/amplifier and room acoustics). So one's results may vary depending on these mentioned contributing factors.

Best thing to do is to audition a lot of the above mentioned components, take notes on each component and put your system together to achieve what ever sound you prefer. And address room acoustics.
Oh without a doubt on all counts you describe,obviously.T.I was just pointing out the weight/quality difference of the C607 compared to the e680.
post #4584 of 5561
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Originally Posted by mpansare View Post
Ok, so let me elaborate - I merely said that I would like to see real wood. I never implied that the build quality was anything other than good. At this price point though, I understand. I did not compare the C80x series to C60x series simply because I do not have any experience with the C60x, only with the E660 and 680. I will also say that the C807s sounded very dull for at least 20-30 hours. I had to drive them at decent sound levels for that long before they opened up. Now...as far as the cost being 3x that of the nearest other C series, that is relative - depends on how much you pay. All I will say is that I got them for a *very* reasonable price NIB, much less than you would guess. And that includes C807s, C80 surround dipoles.

I also agree with TjMV3's assessment of the 807s. I do not have the luxury of comparing them to the C60x series. I will also emphasize again - the depth and clarity the 807s offer for my tastes - jazz, blues/rock, usually analog bypass/source direct modes (CD/redbook and FLAC formats) and analog 7.1 out for movies, as well as a good dose of vinyl (B&O TX2 and a decent MC/MM phono stage), has been very satisfying for my tastes, at a price point I would not have thought possible. Thanks.
Fair enough,there was no need to explain your corner to me as i agree with most of if not all you said,Thank you back.
post #4585 of 5561
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Originally Posted by maladjusted View Post
Oh without a doubt on all counts you describe,obviously.T.I was just pointing out the weight/quality difference of the C607 compared to the e680.

By no means am I implying the C607 is weak or shy on bass. The C607 have a nice balance to them and the bass is very nice.

But only in comparison to the C807 is the bass to be considered less present.
post #4586 of 5561
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Originally Posted by TjMV3 View Post
For sure, Mal. I love good vinyl!!

I also love well recorded and well mastered CDs, DVD-Audio discs, SACD and Blu-Ray.

But I started doing vinyl again back in 2005 or 2006. There's nothing quite like a good vinyl record. So natural in it's presentation and sound. Well, of course Reel to Reel tapes were always the best, but I couldn't afford that when I was a kid or teenager.
Sorry for replying to your post i missed it for a moment!Yes,unfortunely i have no source capable of playing SACDs,but ive heard a few in my time & they reveal more detail in music.With such a small library for them id think about it first.Some of the BD concerts & music is very good,great weight & simple musicality to DTS BDs,
post #4587 of 5561
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Originally Posted by ubersonic View Post
Mal,I just listened to the double cd "Just one night" of eric clapton.I had the album years ago and have had the cd for about 18 years,this was the first time I listened to it through the c607's and was just grinning with happiness.I am very familiar with this cd and the 607's shocked me again with how much detail they reveal.this is a live recording from around 1980 so its not the newest studio stuff thats out now but boy did it sound good.as happy as i was with the s506 system the step up to the 607's was worth the wait.
Ye,they are a truly great speaker at their pricepoint,also the good quality feed of the marantz is a factor also.I listen to loads of different music now,in comparison to a few years ago.I love the warm sound you nod to also,but a little bit of energy mixed in does the trick nicely for cd's & general music.For movies i like the sound to be a little more enthusiastic along with a nice bit of weight.Pink Floyds DSOTM is 1 of my favourite all-time albums,Good to hear from you
post #4588 of 5561
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Originally Posted by hifi999 View Post
thanks ubersonic.

is sub650 big for my room size,or do you think it will be fine with 17 square meter room.this is my first quality setup so i need more information.some say big subs for big room.Do you think it won't be a problem in this case??

is it make a big difference when u use c80 center?.

thx again
Yep,what Tjmv3 says about this sub is spot on.Its very versatile even for small rooms.My room at most is 20mSq & i have the volume about half way.I know lots of people put the cut off up full but i also tried the way the (tiny) manual says & it works fine that way too.Since i moved the sub to the left side ive put the c/over on AVR at 80hz & thats suits movies fine.Good luck its a very good sub.
post #4589 of 5561
Hi Guys,

New to this forum, found it while looking for reviews on Jamo studio 170's before I buy a pair.

Anyone got or heard these, or even got an opinion on them? I currently have a Rotel RA870BX hooked up to a pair of ditton LB12 bookshelf speakers.

Regards

Tom
post #4590 of 5561
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Originally Posted by ubersonic View Post

hifi,i am not sure what a 17sq/m room translates to in sq/ft,but with the built in room EQing software in the newer receivers I am sure it could compensate for the sub650.maladjusted has a sub650 so he could answer your question better than I.as far a using the c80cen with the c607's I love it.the sound quility and the clarity is very good and it matches well with the rest of my system.

Thanks a lot for your reply ubersonic.i got mal's reply too.i am a new jamo fan.you guys made this forum great,

i am from bangkok.if you come here for a visit please let me know,i am very glad to invite you for dinner.

thanks again.
hifi.
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