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So... how well does your setup resolve 1080p really?

post #1 of 65
Thread Starter 
Ok, after the debate in spotmatic's thread about which projector is the sharpest n 1080p material I started this thread to save spotmatic's thread from being brutally high jacked.

First we need to set the output resolution to 1920x1080p@75Hz.
Then we need test patterns that are native 1080p.
I use Philips Test Pattern Generator for this.

You can find it for free here:
http://www.benchmarkhq.ru/fclick/fclick.php?fid=263

After installing the program do this:

1. Select resume.
2. Set the program to full screen.
3. Under program settings set to use 16:9 screen ratio.
4. Go to User Def Resolution.
5. Select Vert Resolution Bars and 1:1
6. Take pictures of your center, top, bottom, left, right sides and also the corners.
7. Select Hor. resolution Bars and 1:1
8. Repeat step 6.
9. Upload the pictures to imageshach.us uncompressed.
10. Post the links to respective picture here.


After following those steps you will truly know how well your setup resolves 1080p@75Hz.


Lots of pics to shoot but that is the only way we can know for sure how well either projector resolves 1080p.
As soon as I have anything nice in my theatre again to setup I will post some pics but right now I don't have the time to put something together.
post #2 of 65
Thread Starter 
So who will be the first to step up and take this challenge on?
post #3 of 65
why would any US user run 1080p75?
post #4 of 65
Very little of this makes sense.

First, why 75Hz?

Second, you're only going to achieve 1080p72, compressed raster on a G90, a modified Marquee, or possibly a 1209 (although nobody has posted screenshots of the 1209 in this mode yet). No ifs, ands, or butts, and anyone who disagrees feel free to post crosshatches at said resolution and I will retract my skepticism.

Thank you, drive through.
post #5 of 65
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Originally Posted by Axatax View Post

Very little of this makes sense.

First, why 75Hz?

I agree with this not making much sense, but do see the 75hz as being the better test for this.


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Second, you're only going to achieve 1080p72, compressed raster on a G90, a modified Marquee, or possibly a 1209 (although nobody has posted screenshots of the 1209 in this mode yet). No ifs, ands, or butts, and anyone who disagrees feel free to post crosshatches at said resolution and I will retract my skepticism.

Thank you, drive through.

But before anyone post any screenshots on this, where did you get that you cannot get anything above 1080P 72hz on a compressed (16:9) raster?
post #6 of 65
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I agree with this not making much sense, but do see the 75hz as being the better test for this.

For a pure resolution test, yes, but you'll never watch any non-PC generated content at 75Hz due to judder so 75Hz is academic.

Quote:


But before anyone post any screenshots on this, where did you get that you cannot get anything above 1080P 72hz on a compressed (16:9) raster?

I'm not sure I said that, but my point was, to the best of my recollection, nobody has yet posted screenshots at (or above) said resolution on any PJ besides a Marquee or G90.
post #7 of 65
Thread Starter 
Ok, let's make it 72Hz then.

You also need to specify which camera you are using and what lens and settings you have on it.

Why does it make little sense to do it like i described it?
Also no cheating with vertical size.
Measure the picture height so you get whatever value you would get if you divide your screen width with 1.78.

And the camera should be set to take the pictures at 5 Mega pixels.
post #8 of 65
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Originally Posted by mrking View Post

Ok, let's make it 72Hz then

No, keep it at 75hz. Allow for some headroom, which you'll need at 72hz anyway. I'll download the pattern later..

SMPTE 1920x1080P @ 75hz - true 16:9 aspect:
post #9 of 65
Quote:


You also need to specify which camera you are using and what lens and settings you have on it.

Why does it make little sense to do it like i described it?

Because there is no commercially available content shot at any frame rate that is an even root of 75. 24 is close, but no cigar. But if you're just doing this for demo purposes, that is fine.
post #10 of 65
I'll need to find my memory stick, then get back to this later with the suggested pattern.

1920x1080P @ 75hz




post #11 of 65
I'm not sure why you guys are bothering with this. I have the biggest penis in the forum.

Cliffy
post #12 of 65
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Originally Posted by overclkr View Post

I'm not sure why you guys are bothering with this. I have the biggest penis in the forum.

Cliffy

Yep, it's no more than a pissing contest. or who has the largest penis contest, and that was my reference to it not making much sense.

A screenshot contest is senseless, especially since it's almost impossible to reproduce what you're really seeing.

But hey, if the Barco boys wants to play, let's play. But what would it prove..
post #13 of 65
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Originally Posted by mrking View Post

Ok, after the debate in spotmatic's thread about which projector is the sharpest n 1080p material I started this thread to save spotmatic's thread from being brutally high jacked.

First we need to set the output resolution to 1920x1080p@75Hz.
Then we need test patterns that are native 1080p.
I use Philips Test Pattern Generator for this.

You can find it for free here:
http://www.benchmarkhq.ru/fclick/fclick.php?fid=263

After installing the program do this:

1. Select resume.
2. Set the program to full screen.
3. Under program settings set to use 16:9 screen ratio.
4. Go to User Def Resolution.
5. Select Vert Resolution Bars and 1:1
6. Take pictures of your center, top, bottom, left, right sides and also the corners.
7. Select Hor. resolution Bars and 1:1
8. Repeat step 6.
9. Upload the pictures to imageshach.us uncompressed.
10. Post the links to respective picture here.


After following those steps you will truly know how well your setup resolves 1080p@75Hz.


Lots of pics to shoot but that is the only way we can know for sure how well either projector resolves 1080p.
As soon as I have anything nice in my theatre again to setup I will post some pics but right now I don't have the time to put something together.

In the other thread, you mentioned how you doubt that Gino's setup is as sharp as the 909 and I have to respectfully disagree with you.

At the resolution that he is running his projectors BLENDED and in 4:3 phosphor, his setup is every bit as sharp if not sharper.

I've also seen MP's mods and I can attest that there is a good chance that at 1080P/75hz even though Gino does not have LUG tubes chances are that it will be resolved.

I don't think that my G90's with LUG tubes would resolve 72hz at 1080P though.

Cliff
post #14 of 65
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post #15 of 65
Here is unmodded BG1200 -92, with fast test setup using 1080p 72Hz.



Not perfect, but I try to get it better soon...

Edit. I used Nicon coolpix S2, it's small pocket camera.
post #16 of 65
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Originally Posted by Ile View Post

Here is unmodded BG1200 -92, with fast test setup using 1080p 72Hz.



Not perfect, but I try to get it better soon...

You just increased the value of the BG1200.
post #17 of 65
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Originally Posted by overclkr View Post

In the other thread, you mentioned how you doubt that Gino's setup is as sharp as the 909 and I have to respectfully disagree with you.

At the resolution that he is running his projectors BLENDED and in 4:3 phosphor, his setup is every bit as sharp if not sharper.

I've also seen MP's mods and I can attest that there is a good chance that at 1080P/75hz even though Gino does not have LUG tubes chances are that it will be resolved.

Hey hey Cliff, you raised a very valid point! Why didn't I think of that
post #18 of 65
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Originally Posted by overclkr View Post

In the other thread, you mentioned how you doubt that Gino's setup is as sharp as the 909 and I have to respectfully disagree with you.

Gino's set up might be. Is a Quee no matter how modded as sharp if set up the same? I have my doubts. But, can a Quee 4:3 compete with a 909 16:9, possibly.
post #19 of 65
I love screen shots and test patterns. I look at screen shots on my uncalibrated computer display. WTF if the computer display isn't color calibrated. No need. I can imagine. Anf test patterns. I absolutely won't watch anything else in my HT. Everything else is a complete waste of time. Anybody want to buy all my audio stuff. Don't need it any more.
post #20 of 65
How many poor souls here are lost drifting ainlessly in color space?
post #21 of 65
Like I said, I like C cups.

Thanks.
post #22 of 65
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Originally Posted by Person99 View Post

Gino's set up might be. Is a Quee no matter how modded as sharp if set up the same? I have my doubts. But, can a Quee 4:3 compete with a 909 16:9, possibly.

How about an Ultra with LUG's, HFQ900 lenses, and a super fast clean video chain (VIM and VNB's)?? Same tubes and lenses as found in the Cine9? It may be close in a 16:9 raster, but the Ultra has to have the edge easily in a 4:3 raster vs a 16:9
post #23 of 65
Thread Starter 
Ile:
Nice picture, can you also follow the instructions outlined in the first post and use Philips Test Pattern Generator?



Mark:
I think most monitors out there are calibrated well enough to tell the difference between black and white and be able to determine how well the lines are resolved don't you?
Of course this is not the final word on this and of course you can't tell everything from a screenshot since there are so many things you have to factor in such as camera, skills, lenses and so on but what you CAN do is tell the difference between the people with sets who knows how to handle a camera which unfortunately rules me out...


Gino:
I really hope you have replaced those god awful thomson focus yokes in your sets or else I seriously doubt you can get close to the true performance the P19lugs would give in a better unit such as the 1209, 1209s or 909. =)




So nobody wants to follow the simple steps I lined out?
Pity, it sure would give a good idea of things.
post #24 of 65
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

How many poor souls here are lost drifting ainlessly in color space?

I'd like to see what these projectors look like with 480p...Yes 480p!
post #25 of 65
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Originally Posted by Axatax View Post

Because there is no commercially available content shot at any frame rate that is an even root of 75. 24 is close, but no cigar. But if you're just doing this for demo purposes, that is fine.


That's so untrue. Half the content in the world is shot at 50i/25p, both of which work fine at 75hz.
Everything I record with my HD tuner cards will playback at 75hz (or 100hz).

But I agree that for the test, 72hz is more meaningful for the majority here.
post #26 of 65
Oh honey, fire up the popcorn machine. I brought home some really nice test patterns for us to watch tonight.

Oh, by the way Chip, your birthday's right around the corner. The kids and I thought we would get you that HD DVD player and a couple of movies you've been talking about.

No thanks dear. As long as I have these test patterns to look at, I'm fine.
Go buy yourself some new shoes or something

Chip
post #27 of 65
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Originally Posted by stefuel View Post

Oh, by the way Chip, your birthday's right around the corner. The kids and I thought we would get you that HD DVD player and a couple of movies you've been talking about.

No thanks dear. As long as I have these test patterns to look at, I'm fine.
Go buy yourself some new shoes or something

Chip

LOL.. I knew you would get a kick out of this..
post #28 of 65
Thread Starter 
I really hate people who doesn't bother to read the first post in a thread and just think it's a good idea to post a witty response about something not having a damn thing to do with the subject at hand.
This thread was started because people were/are hijacking spotmatic's 909 thread with bickering about which projector is better like some 5 year olds in a sandbox.

You seem to completely have missed the point of this.
The ONLY way you can determine if one projector does 1080p better than the other is by looking at static resolution test patterns which reveals how well the projector is capable of resolving the resolution it is being fed.
You won't tell how well a projector performs by posting hundreds of meaningless screenshots from stills of a motion picture!
If you are skilled with the camera you can make the Barco 801 look like the bell of the ball. Compared to some dope who has an 909 and doesn't know how to take pictures.

This thread was intended for people who WANTS to participate and know how to install a program and take som pictures and upload them to imageshack for the rest of us to see.
It was NOT intended for jerks talking a bunch of bs about only watching test patterns all the time on their projector.
That's just childish and infantile behavior and doesn't really bring anything new to the table.
So if you want to participate, great! Be my guest.
If you don't want to participate. Then DON'T!

Getting really tired of some people's elitist conduct on this forum...


So please next time you feel the urge to add to your post count by writing something completely uninteresting and with no face value to the topic at hand.
Bite your hand and move along and resist the urge of being "witty".
post #29 of 65
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Originally Posted by mrking View Post

Ile:
Nice picture, can you also follow the instructions outlined in the first post and use Philips Test Pattern Generator?

I used 16:9 SMPTE test pic from Philips test pattern generator first page.

But I didn't follow other instructions, because I took that picture last year for other purpose. Can't do better for now, because projector isn't installed yet.
post #30 of 65
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Originally Posted by mrking View Post

This thread was started because people were/are hijacking spotmatic's 909 thread with bickering about which projector is better like some 5 year olds in a sandbox.

You're saying I'm a 5 year old? (along with Cliff, Mike, Andy et al)
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