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post #31 of 83
7/12/07 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

You may want to look closer at the chart, you've got it reversed (well not exactly reversed but close). Blu-Ray is NOW (as of the chart date) at 73% market share. Not sure if you get that or not.

There are no current charts that show BR at 73%, and Krinkles chart clearly shows BR drop from 73% on June 12 to 54% on July 10th.

Let's face it though both formats are here to stay whether krinkle likes it or not. Just like the PS3 isn't going away even though its sales are lousy.

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post #32 of 83
7/12/07 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by Everdog View Post

Let's face it though both formats are here to stay...

I couldn't disagree more with this statement. The studios, retailers, and the vast majority of consumers don't want or need two formats. One format WILL die. Come back a year from now and I think you might agree with me.
post #33 of 83
7/12/07 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

You can argue the CHART is wrong - I'm fine with that. But you can't argue the person I responded to READ the chart wrong.

Agreed.
post #34 of 83
7/12/07 at 6:09am
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Originally Posted by Wet1 View Post

I couldn't disagree more with this statement. The studios, retailers, and the vast majority of consumers don't want or need two formats. One format WILL die. Come back a year from now and I think you might agree with me.

Game developers hate creating the same game on 3 formats. Consumer's don't like it either, and yet we have 3 consoles. But movie studios LOVE releasing movies in multiple formats. They sell more movies that way. I know a guy who has bought Star Wars 5 times.

Also, neither video format has even 1% of the movie market yet. It would be stupid for anyone to claim victory.
post #35 of 83
7/12/07 at 6:18am
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Originally Posted by Woodshed View Post

I just wanted to point out that this article about HD DVD marketshare in Europe is not new. What was left out of the OP's post was the fact that this 71% is not including PS3 sales. Which puts the player stats at like 4:1 BD vs HD DVD. That stat is in a similar article not put out by Toshiba.

But the Toshiba article clearly states that this does not reflect PS3 sales.


And if you look back at the Neilsen charts, Blu has been steadily increasing the SI market sharefor at least the last 4 months, the 73%-27% week is clearly the week after pirates 1 + 2 came out.

The telling week was when HD release 14 titles and BD released 2 and the numbers were still something like 67-33.


/shrug

It is what it is.

Let's face it, since January the ratio has been consistantly about 2:1. HD-DVD has not made up any ground and BR has not expanded their lead either. Also, the reality is that both of their sales totals are very, very small.
post #36 of 83
7/12/07 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by Everdog View Post

Game developers hate creating the same game on 3 formats. Consumer's don't like it either, and yet we have 3 consoles. But movie studios LOVE releasing movies in multiple formats. They sell more movies that way. I know a guy who has bought Star Wars 5 times.

Also, neither video format has even 1% of the movie market yet. It would be stupid for anyone to claim victory.


Gaming consoles are different, there have always been multiple consoles.

How do you figure that 2 formats sell more discs? If 300 is on HD and Blu a consumer is going to buy 1 or the other. If it is only on 1 they will still buy 1.


This format war is bad, one format needs to go away..........period
post #37 of 83
7/12/07 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by Woodshed View Post

Gaming consoles are different, there have always been multiple consoles.

How do you figure that 2 formats sell more discs? If 300 is on HD and Blu a consumer is going to buy 1 or the other. If it is only on 1 they will still buy 1.


This format war is bad, one format needs to go away..........period

People will buy BR for their PS3 and HD-DVD for their stand-alone. They'll buy an Ipod version, download one in HD, and buy SD-DVD for the player in their mini-van. It will be a small percentage but those people will exist. Studios will start putting different extras on different formats too just to foce more people to do it.
post #38 of 83
7/12/07 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by Everdog View Post

People will buy BR for their PS3 and HD-DVD for their stand-alone.

Something wrong with your logic.
post #39 of 83
7/12/07 at 6:35am
So everythings fine in the HD-DVD camp if you ignore PS3 and official, industry wide, software sales figures.

Great
post #40 of 83
7/12/07 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by Everdog View Post

Game developers hate creating the same game on 3 formats. Consumer's don't like it either, and yet we have 3 consoles. But movie studios LOVE releasing movies in multiple formats. They sell more movies that way. I know a guy who has bought Star Wars 5 times.

Also, neither video format has even 1% of the movie market yet. It would be stupid for anyone to claim victory.

Are you sure about the studios wanting to release on multiple formats? How many new releases went to VHS this year, or LD. Why are the majority of HDOM titles being rleleased to only one HD format? Why doesn't each studio team with their own CE company and devolop a unique format for their movies? I think that studios will tolerate releasing on two formats as long as the second or younger format is a growth market. Studios won't release on a third format for a long period of time if that third format is consistently underperforming as both a volume and growth product.
post #41 of 83
7/12/07 at 6:37am
What the original post (and article) really doesn't highlight is that BD standalone sales must in fact be *gaining* in order for the number to be 71% HD DVD right now... because it was higher than that not too long ago.

Also the PS3 install base advantage vs HD DVD standalones is like 100:1 in Europe. HD DVD had ~8,000 standalones sold a couple of months ago - doubt it's gone much beyond that. BTW does anyone have a link to that original article? You'd know it if you saw it - it was the one touting a roughly 10,000 player base for both formats combined.

I think the fact that Warner expects a 5:1 sales advantage for Blu-ray in France by years end gives insight into the situation there.
post #42 of 83
7/12/07 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by todrigo View Post

Are you sure about the studios wanting to release on multiple formats? How many new releases went to VHS this year, or LD. Why are the majority of HDOM titles being rleleased to only one HD format? Why doesn't each studio team with their own CE company and devolop a unique format for their movies? I think that studios will tolerate releasing on two formats as long as the second or younger format is a growth market. Studios won't release on a third format for a long period of time if that third format is consistently underperforming as both a volume and growth product.

So what you are saying is that that HD video downloads will rule? It's clearly a growth market and growing faster than BR or HD-DVD.
post #43 of 83
7/12/07 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by MichaelHDDVD View Post

^

Those are US numbers, not european numbers... xboxboi's numbers were in reference to Europe, not the U.S.

To bad those pesky facts completely discredit krinkle

facts indeed are pesky things.

post #44 of 83
7/12/07 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by Everdog View Post

So what you are saying is that that HD video downloads will rule? It's clearly a growth market and growing faster than BR or HD-DVD.

While that is a long term possibility, I'd really like to see where your numbers come from that say HD movie downloads are out pacing HD disc purchase and disc rental.
post #45 of 83
7/12/07 at 7:38am
So where is the list of the 1,000+ movies that are going to be available? If this is in reference to the recent Amazon Customflix announcement, I expect this to have little impact on the overall Nielsen Videoscan numbers...
post #46 of 83
7/12/07 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by todrigo View Post

Are you sure about the studios wanting to release on multiple formats? How many new releases went to VHS this year, or LD.

Better yet, how many releases are coming out in both full frame and widescreen?
J
post #47 of 83
7/12/07 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

So where is the list of the 1,000+ movies that are going to be available? If this is in reference to the recent Amazon Customflix announcement, I expect this to have little impact on the overall Nielsen Videoscan numbers...

Yes, most likely from Customflix. I don't know how Neilson/Videoscan would even handle those.
J
post #48 of 83
7/12/07 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

You may want to look closer at the chart, you've got it reversed (well not exactly reversed but close). Blu-Ray is NOW (as of the chart date) at 73% market share. Not sure if you get that or not.

You lost me. I see 73% for June 12th and I see 54% for July 10th. Do you see something different than I see?
post #49 of 83
7/12/07 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

So where is the list of the 1,000+ movies that are going to be available? If this is in reference to the recent Amazon Customflix announcement, I expect this to have little impact on the overall Nielsen Videoscan numbers...

The 1000 movies has nothing to do with this. Originally is was 600 - they upped it to 1000. It counts all HD DVD releases worldwide.
post #50 of 83
7/12/07 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by krinkle View Post

HAHA xboxboi has really gotten desperate tonight. ]

Interesting comment coming from you. Every post you make is seemingly desperate. Why is that? Is this more than just a hobby for you?
post #51 of 83
7/12/07 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

The 1000 movies has nothing to do with this. Originally is was 600 - they upped it to 1000. It counts all HD DVD releases worldwide.

Um...weren't there supposed to be over 600 titles in Europe alone by years end and 300 NEW releases in the US alone in 2007???

With the 200 plus US titles from 2006, shouldn't that be 1100 titles by the end of 2007 without even counting Japan???

This comes across to me as a way to scale back expectations without making it sound like they are reducing title count. How is this good news for HD DVD?
post #52 of 83
7/12/07 at 10:05am
The 1000 HD-DVD movies are including the indie films and do-it-yourself/sell-it-yourself titles that nobody is going to buy.

Typically misleading.

So far, most sales have come from recent releases. As a general rule, most people have chosen not to purchase old movies on HD -- in either format. Save collectors, people aren't re-buying discs they already own.

Sales figures show this.

This article is a fart in a blanket.
post #53 of 83
7/12/07 at 12:10pm
1000 titles?

I'll believe it when I see it.
post #54 of 83
7/12/07 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by JAG1977 View Post

So everythings fine in the HD-DVD camp if you ignore PS3 and official, industry wide, software sales figures.

Great


ROFL!
post #55 of 83
7/12/07 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by Baccusboy View Post

This article is a fart in a blanket.

LOL
post #56 of 83
7/12/07 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by ottscay View Post

Um...weren't there supposed to be over 600 titles in Europe alone by years end and 300 NEW releases in the US alone in 2007???

With the 200 plus US titles from 2006, shouldn't that be 1100 titles by the end of 2007 without even counting Japan???

This comes across to me as a way to scale back expectations without making it sound like they are reducing title count. How is this good news for HD DVD?

Your link article says different than what you are saying and does verify what I said:

"Furthermore, the HD DVD Promotion Group announced the formation of the European HD DVD Promotional Group, and noted more than 100 HD DVD titles will be available throughout Europe by the end of the first quarter of 2007, with a third of those titles being from European studios. According to the group, none of them are available in any other high-definition format and the discs are all manufactured and replicated in Europe. By December 2007, the group estimates more than 600 HD DVD titles will be available worldwide."
post #57 of 83
7/12/07 at 10:01pm
They're probably taking the release of 300 a bit literally.
post #58 of 83
7/13/07 at 4:37am
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

You lost me. I see 73% for June 12th and I see 54% for July 10th. Do you see something different than I see?

Lee,

I was responding to your post that said:
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

I see that in a 30 day period BRD went from 73% to 54% . . .

You call that good?

You keep showing a chart that is dated 6/24. Well it's 7/12. Your chart is ancient history.

Since you were responding to Krinkle in that post (the one who posted the chart) I was assuming you were reading his chart. It sounds as though you are getting 54% number from the chart posted by MidnightWatcher. If so, you read MidnightWatcher's chart correctly.
post #59 of 83
7/13/07 at 5:23am
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Originally Posted by xbdestroya View Post

HD DVD had ~8,000 standalones sold a couple of months ago - doubt it's gone much beyond that.

If thats the case, then how many BD stand-alones were sold? 2k?

With such low numbers its no surprise we are seeing huge swings week to week.
post #60 of 83
7/13/07 at 5:39am
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Originally Posted by cybereality View Post

If thats the case, then how many BD stand-alones were sold? 2k?

...and a million black curved box thingies that don't count.
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