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post #151 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

The Cobalt's were under $250 for 7. Not too bad.

There website said that they were $49.95 each. Did they offer a package deal on 7?
post #152 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

One of the best aspects about going with separates is that I used this opportunity to get rid of the only weak link in my system: These darn Monster speaker cables. So in addition to the 9.8 and the Emotiva MPS, new cables! I ordered enough for my 7.1 setup (150 ft. of it), 3 three meter 1.3a HDMI's, and 7 one meter XLR's for a grand. Goodbye you monsters!

T.

One of these days I should give the Emotiva amp a try. As far as I know it's not a truly balanced amp from input to output, is it?

R
post #153 of 12991
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Originally Posted by fakerley View Post

There website said that they were $49.95 each. Did they offer a package deal on 7?

Now that I have my reading glasses, it appears I hit the wrong key.....Correction, $350---free shipping, no sales tax.
post #154 of 12991
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Originally Posted by Razvanel View Post

One of these days I should give the Emotiva amp a try. As far as I know it's not a truly balanced amp from input to output, is it?

R

Very few multi-channel amp's under 5K are true balanced---Let alone for under $1,600. But this is a amp that nobody has had anything bad to say about. Worth a go for the money.

T.
post #155 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

Now that I have my reading glasses, it appears I hit the wrong key.....Correction, $350---free shipping, no sales tax.

Dang glasses anyway. I thought I was going to get a good deal there.

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Originally Posted by dbacksfan51 View Post

I am thinking of ordering some XLR's from here. For this price, I think it is worth a try, plus they have the spiffy mesh covers, that other companies charge a fortune for.
http://www.bestdealcables.com/LineList.aspx?LineID=20

Ya see.. this is what I was talking about earlier. Best deal cables for 15 bucks a pair. I always say that you get what you pay for when things are so inexpensive and be cautious when they are too expensive.

The Blue Jeans seam to be in my sweat spot.............I think.
post #156 of 12991
Plus I like the design. If a channel were to fail, you just unscrew that channel for repair or replacement. You keep your amp operational albeit shorthanded, but you can live a week or so with only one back surround.
post #157 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

Very few multi-channel amp's under 5K are true balanced---Let alone for under $1,600. But this is a amp that nobody has had anything bad to say about. Worth a go for the money.

T.

I think that the ATI 2007 and the Gemstone Blue Diamond amps, both well under $5000, are truly balanced but I may be wrong.

R
post #158 of 12991
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Originally Posted by fishingeek View Post

I still using a 3805 now. I got it right when it was relased. My Emotiva shows up tomorrow and I will use the Denon as a pre for now. It has served me well but I am ready for an upgrade.

I am very interested to see reviews from you guys. I decided to go pre-pro instead of upgrading to a new receiver based mainly in the specs of the 9.8 and this thread.

If all goes well for you guys, I will visit my local Integra dealer soon.

geek

Same here, I'll be using my IPS-1 that will be here tomorrow with my
3805 until I get some reviews on the Integra 9.8.
post #159 of 12991
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Originally Posted by fakerley View Post

Dang glasses anyway. I thought I was going to get a good deal there.



Ya see.. this is what I was talking about earlier. Best deal cables for 15 bucks a pair. I always say that you get what you pay for when things are so inexpensive and be cautious when they are too expensive.

The Blue Jeans seam to be in my sweat spot.............I think.

With Transparent Cables entry level XLR's at $330 a pair, Cobalt's price is painless to me. I've been reading both of the Integra forums leading up to these releases and so many people have been worried about whether or not the pre-pro and the 8.8 will be up to snuff. Now that the trigger has been pulled by some and contemplated by others, some of you want to put the cheapest interconnects on the unit you can find. If that's the case, what difference does it make how good the pre-pro is? Maybe it's just me, but that's like buying a pair of Wilson WAtt/Puppies, whining about the cost of speaker cable, then connecting them to your Mark Levinson monaural amp with doorbell wire. I'm not saying Transparent Opus MM's are required, but go for a cable with solid soidering at the connect with build quality that will last.
post #160 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

With Transparent Cables entry level XLR's at $330 a pair, Cobalt's price is painless to me. I've been reading both of the Integra forums leading up to these releases and so many people have been worried about whether or not the pre-pro and the 8.8 will be up to snuff. Now that the trigger has been pulled by some and contemplated by others, some of you want to put the cheapest interconnects on the unit you can find. If that's the case, what difference does it make how good the pre-pro is? Maybe it's just me, but that's like buying a pair of Wilson WAtt/Puppies, whining about the cost of speaker cable, then connecting them to your Mark Levinson monaural amp with doorbell wire. I'm not saying Transparent Opus MM's are required, but go for a cable with solid soidering at the connect with build quality that will last.

P.S.

There is nothing wrong with Blue Jean Cables. But you've got to be kidding about hooking up your brand new show piece with $15 a pair microphone cables.
post #161 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

P.S.

There is nothing wrong with Blue Jean Cables. But you've got to be kidding about hooking up your brand new show piece with $15 a pair microphone cables.

The Best Deal Cables stuff seems to be highly regarded by those who've used them and the $15 a pair price is an 80% off closeout special. I don't own any of their cables, but they look like they're constructed well enough.
post #162 of 12991
"...this thing has a full manual EQ setup for each speaker at a bunch of points , .5db level adjustments, .2 feet distances, Audyssey Auto EQ,...."

"...rather complete manual EQ setup also being included and separate from Audyssey..."

Can they both be used?

The problem with Audyssey is that it has little ability to tailor to personal preference.

It'd be nice to let Audyssey do it's thing and then be able to use the GEQto flavor to taste.
post #163 of 12991
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Originally Posted by erick.s View Post

The Best Deal Cables stuff seems to be highly regarded by those who've used them and the $15 a pair price is an 80% off closeout special. I don't own any of their cables, but they look like they're constructed well enough.

80% off! Well, why didn't you say so? LOL
post #164 of 12991
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

"...this thing has a full manual EQ setup for each speaker at a bunch of points , .5db level adjustments, .2 feet distances, Audyssey Auto EQ,...."

"...rather complete manual EQ setup also being included and separate from Audyssey..."

Can they both be used?

The problem with Audyssey is that it has little ability to tailor to personal preference.

It'd be nice to let Audyssey do it's thing and then be able to use the GEQto flavor to taste.

There is a room eq. on my Denon I never used. I just used my ears. I don't understand why this feature is such a big deal. Most people claim they don't work very well. A SPL from Radio Shack works pretty good. But, having said that I did read in this forum that the pre-pro is compatible with Audyssey Pro---Whatever that is.
post #165 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

With Transparent Cables entry level XLR's at $330 a pair, Cobalt's price is painless to me. I've been reading both of the Integra forums leading up to these releases and so many people have been worried about whether or not the pre-pro and the 8.8 will be up to snuff. Now that the trigger has been pulled by some and contemplated by others, some of you want to put the cheapest interconnects on the unit you can find. If that's the case, what difference does it make how good the pre-pro is? Maybe it's just me, but that's like buying a pair of Wilson WAtt/Puppies, whining about the cost of speaker cable, then connecting them to your Mark Levinson monaural amp with doorbell wire. I'm not saying Transparent Opus MM's are required, but go for a cable with solid soidering at the connect with build quality that will last.

I hear ya TRT. I wasn't planning on the $15 cables for sure, it's just that I know nothing about XLR cables except for what I've read hear the last few weeks. I am just counting on this forum to educate me.

Blue Jeans seem fine but are they good enough?
post #166 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

80% off! Well, why didn't you say so? LOL


Is that sarcasm I smell?
post #167 of 12991
"There is a room eq. on my Denon I never used...I don't understand why this feature is such a big deal."

How could you if you never tried it?

"A SPL from Radio Shack works pretty good. "

That only helps to set overall level, and the results can be skewed by a big peaks that EQ would fix.
post #168 of 12991
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Originally Posted by erick.s View Post

Is that sarcasm I smell?

No.
post #169 of 12991
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

"There is a room eq. on my Denon I never used...I don't understand why this feature is such a big deal."

How could you if you never tried it?

"A SPL from Radio Shack works pretty good. "

That only helps to set overall level, and the results can be skewed by a big peaks that EQ would fix.

OK, I'll try the Audysses on the pre-pro.
post #170 of 12991
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Originally Posted by fakerley View Post

I hear ya TRT. I wasn't planning on the $15 cables for sure, it's just that I know nothing about XLR cables except for what I've read hear the last few weeks. I am just counting on this forum to educate me.

Blue Jeans seem fine but are they good enough?

The XLR's are not really required if you don't have to travel a long distance between the amp and the processor. A good set of analog RCA's will be fine. It is rumored that low end get's extended with the XLR's over the RCA's, but I'm not buying that one. Besides, pre-pro's generally are used in home theater setup's with subwoofers. How much low end do you need from your speakers if you have a properly placed sub. A good pair of RCA's will beat a bad pair of XLR's if your gear is in the same rack anyday. Which begs the question: Why did I buy them when my amp will be in the next bay in my rack from my pre-pro? SNOB APPEAL. I just wanted them because I have never owned a pre-pro with balanced outputs before and I want them for my own amusement.
post #171 of 12991
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Originally Posted by fakerley View Post

Dang glasses anyway. I thought I was going to get a good deal there.



Ya see.. this is what I was talking about earlier. Best deal cables for 15 bucks a pair. I always say that you get what you pay for when things are so inexpensive and be cautious when they are too expensive.

The Blue Jeans seam to be in my sweat spot.............I think.

By the way---XLR cables really are just microphone cable attachments. That's their most common use. You really don't need them.
post #172 of 12991
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Originally Posted by reincarnate View Post

You are on an expensive quest that will never end. Good luck!

For everyone else (Monster salesmen excluded) here are the best engineered cables.
http://www.markertek.com/SearchProdu...f=17&sort=prod

The only upgrade worthwhile (for pencil neck geeks) who can silver solder their own is:

http://www.markertek.com/SearchProdu...f=12&sort=prod



http://www.markertek.com/SearchProdu...f=12&sort=prod
http://www.markertek.com/SearchProdu...ff=0&sort=prod
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=370-038

There you go! This is the best way to do it. Don't burn yourselves!
Soldering your own cables is like re-gripping your own golf clubs: Saves money.
post #173 of 12991
I just spoke with my local dealer. They are suppose to get first batch product soon. They will not say when, but they assured me that when it comes in they will need a few days of testing to make sure it is the real deal. The reseller is concerned about the price of the product and quality we will get for $1,600.00. They were not being Pessimistic ...just cautious.....
post #174 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

With Transparent Cables entry level XLR's at $330 a pair, Cobalt's price is painless to me. I've been reading both of the Integra forums leading up to these releases and so many people have been worried about whether or not the pre-pro and the 8.8 will be up to snuff. Now that the trigger has been pulled by some and contemplated by others, some of you want to put the cheapest interconnects on the unit you can find. If that's the case, what difference does it make how good the pre-pro is? Maybe it's just me, but that's like buying a pair of Wilson WAtt/Puppies, whining about the cost of speaker cable, then connecting them to your Mark Levinson monaural amp with doorbell wire. I'm not saying Transparent Opus MM's are required, but go for a cable with solid soidering at the connect with build quality that will last.

Well I'm curious if you have tried any of the overpriced stuff, then compared it to some of the quality "cheap" stuff? I pissed away money on Audioquest biwire speaker cables that sound no better than Home depot 12 awg lamp cord, wasted money on a $150 HDMI cable that would not pass the HDCP handshake, only to be replaced with a cheap cable that worked on the first time. Ever heard of Monoprice? Now if you want to believe that the Transparent cables will give you a added sense of warmth and better decay from a crash cymbal, go ahead. I was just trying to pass on info of a good deal I found on some XLR's.
post #175 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

With Transparent Cables entry level XLR's at $330 a pair, Cobalt's price is painless to me. I've been reading both of the Integra forums leading up to these releases and so many people have been worried about whether or not the pre-pro and the 8.8 will be up to snuff. Now that the trigger has been pulled by some and contemplated by others, some of you want to put the cheapest interconnects on the unit you can find. If that's the case, what difference does it make how good the pre-pro is? Maybe it's just me, but that's like buying a pair of Wilson WAtt/Puppies, whining about the cost of speaker cable, then connecting them to your Mark Levinson monaural amp with doorbell wire. I'm not saying Transparent Opus MM's are required, but go for a cable with solid soidering at the connect with build quality that will last.

Don't go on an expensive quest that will never end. I already did that. Its a dead end.
If your system is too bright or dull cables are an expensive band-aid solution. Fix the issue elsewhere.
Stay with broadcast/studio cables and let the gullible get taken to the cleaners.

Here are some of the best engineered cables:
http://www.markertek.com then search for product number SC6XXJ

The only upgrade worthwhile (for pencil neck geeks) who can silver solder the EMC upgrade:
RFI XLR connectors:
http://www.markertek.com NC3FXX-EMC
Star quad cable:
http://www.markertek.com L-4E6S BK
Silver solder:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=370-038
post #176 of 12991
Well....it is nice to see that CABLE HELL is back. Time to throw gasoline on everything
post #177 of 12991
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Originally Posted by dbacksfan51 View Post

Well I'm curious if you have tried any of the overpriced stuff, then compared it to some of the quality "cheap" stuff? I pissed away money on Audioquest biwire speaker cables that sound no better than Home depot 12 awg lamp cord, wasted money on a $150 HDMI cable that would not pass the HDCP handshake, only to be replaced with a cheap cable that worked on the first time. Ever heard of Monoprice? Now if you want to believe that the Transparent cables will give you a added sense of warmth and better decay from a crash cymbal, go ahead. I was just trying to pass on info of a good deal I found on some XLR's.

Actually I have spent considerable time with the most expensive and the run of the mill stuff. After a certain point, cable designers start tweaking the cables to change the dynamics of the sound. Then, begin the snake-oil pitch that their big dollar cable is better than their mid-priced cable when in reality it just sounds different. Now guys, I have played golf with quite a few engineer's and designer's of high-end cable and they all say the same thing. Privately, off the record. A speaker cable that cost 35K a pair for 8ft. that looks like a giant anaconda is no better than a speaker cable designed for in-wall use that meets building codes that has low resistance, good connecting and solid build quality at the termination. The silver or copper or gold can only get so pure. If top quality materials are used and excellent fit and finish always comes out of the factory, then the only factor is how that particular cable sounds to you.

T.
post #178 of 12991
I'm done talking about wires. I have made my purchase.
post #179 of 12991
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Originally Posted by TRT View Post

I'm done talking about wires. I have made my purchase.

No cables can help sound and vision. The good ones just hurt the least.
post #180 of 12991
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Originally Posted by B&W700guy View Post

Well....it is nice to see that CABLE HELL is back. Time to throw gasoline on everything

I'm sorry........I unintentionally started it.
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