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Originally Posted by fsmithjack View Post

I also thank you for switching it over to a dialog about the speakers. Good question too regarding the Spires and Summits. Unlike the tube discussion this one falls much more in line within the subjective area. These speakers are close and really what will come into play more here is the room, the amplification and more importantly the upstream source components and off course the music selection. Music selection believe it or not gets very little air time when in reality it play a much larger role than it gets credit for.

Now to get into your questions. Most importantly the panels are not identical. The panels are actually the most significant difference other than the obvious duel base drivers of the summits and their corresponding built in Class D amplification. The newest Vojtko crossover is a big upgrade as well.

The Summit panel is from the ML Panel Class of the Summits. They are the flagship barer of their generation. All the lower speakers panels use a similar panel that is based on the Tech of the Summits. The Vista, Vantage and Summits employ this generation of panel. Its a great panel but it is not the most recent and modern panel and they also have an older crossover. The last and most recent version of the panel is the Spire. The Spire saves money by only using 1 base driver and 1 amp per cabinet but employs other significant improvements that allows them sell a better sounding and more advanced speaker that gives up some base at the extremes but also comes at about $2,500 less money. The Summit was replaced by the Spire.

The Spire panel is based on the CLX class panel. It is the most recent and the current generation of the ML panel and this generation also has the upgraded crossover. This ML panel generation to name a few is made up of the Ethos, Montis and Theos. Out off all of these the Theos is the only one that has a passive base driver.The Spire crossover regardless of where it 's location is a considerably better crossover and it really is an upgrade and fuses the driver to the panel much better than the Summit. The Summit has the duel and more powerful subs per unit but their integration is not nearly as smooth and as seamless. It's a little her-key jerky in comparison to the spire but stronger and fuller. You get more base power with the Summits for sure but you get a more integrated and seamless and smother transition with the Spire. This has always been the goal of a hybrid design to improve the integration.

Moreover, the current generation of the CLX panel is not a small enhancement either. It clearly is more transparent and provides better micro details and a wider and deeper sound stage. When you A& B compare them you can really hear the difference. All that being said if you are listening to hard core rap and based centric music you really won't be able to hear the advancements in the panel and the smoother base integration but the base really just dominate all the other harmonic textures and in this case that person might as well just use the Summit and capitalize on the duel base drivers to make the walls thump. Myself for that I would just use a sub if that was what I wanted but again to each their own.

Can you elaborate a little on the ML Panel Class? partially because I have no idea what you mean and according to the ML website the Summits used their 44" Xstat CLS panel, though not being an expert in panel revisions it could easily just be an earlier version.

I'm confused what you mean when you say the Summit was replaced by the Spire. Wouldn't the Summit X and Montis be their replacements, respectively? I haven't had any listening time with the older summits or spires, but quite a lot of time with the summit x and montis.

And out of curiosity, what made you settle on spires when it seems like the Summit X and Montis would be within your budget?
post #362 of 727
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Originally Posted by mogrub View Post

fssmithjack,

The recent posts were in response to Mr. Bigins, who asked whether the 12 gauge speaker wire he had already purchased from Orange County Speaker (great company BTW) would work well with his ML's.

Most posters said yes, that's a good choice. You feel otherwise, but I'm sure Mr. Bigins was looking for all opinions, so you helped him out too.

It's obvious you like your rig, and you should -- you have some great equipment.

FWIW, I'm not sure I'd describe what other forum members own, or think, as "crap".

Just my two cents.

That's a real good point... I did not mean to not call anyone else's equipment crap... For that I take that back and apologize. It was more my frustration of spending a lot of money and purchasing equipment that after the fact I found out I could get much better sound for much less money but that doesn't make it crap and you are right I shouldn't have said that. Also, those receivers are amazing for TV and movies which they get a lot of use with. My statements were really for 2-Chanel listening.

As far as the cable goes. Guys I have owned the ESL and I would still have them in my main rig if I didn't have to move into a much larger room. As usual I got kicked out of my main listing room by my wife and daughters for American idol and other cartoons and the like. My listening room turned into a 20x20 or its 24x24 or whatever its a pretty big room and it has high cathedral ceilings. The ESL didn't sound as well as they did in the smaller room for obvious reasons. My point before the room switch I had my ESL sounding pretty dang tight and I did the cable swap thing. What I found by far most bang for buck was a $60 investment in a used set of 10 foot Audioquest Type-4 speaker cables. I can't talk about ratings or ohm or impedance or gauge or any of that. What I did was plug them in and then take them out and do a A&B comparison and I found the upgrade to be significant and clearly obvious. See the thing is the ESL's is that they are good enough to be able to hear these types of difference that matter much less to lesser speakers.. They are a good bang for buck upgrade in my opinion. Thanks
post #363 of 727
The Summit X wasn't out yet. The Spire was the first of the CLX Class to be released and they were out way before the others. See the Spires hit the market years before Summit X and well over a year before the Montis and maybe even longer. At that time when the Spire came out it was released as the new and highest one ML sold other than the CLX and they were positioned as the heir apparent to the Summit. . Later on the Montis came and then the Summit X. Both are better than the Spire but they all used the CLX panel.

As far as class what I mean is generation. The Accent i and Odyssey and the like were the last big ones and they sounded great but look kinda dated and are real big. ML wanted a more modern and smaller package so they came out with the Summit class/generation of speakers. This generation was a real big change for them. ML wanted to modernized their product line/class/generation and they proceeded to make them smaller and better and with a much more modern look. There are many other speakers in this class also, such as smaller ones as well Source, Purity, etc, etc. After those now that they made the big transition to all smaller panel and cabinet the next goal was to improve the panel and improve the integration with panel to the cabinet. This was done by releasing the CLX generation of speaker spear headed by the Spire being a derivative of the CLX. The first in and many times overlooked which is great for me and other owners. The Spire is kind of a sleeper speakers.

The Summit X is the true replacement for the Summit. I say that because it is the only one other than the Summit to use duel 10 inch self powered drivers with 2 amps per cabinet like the old summit did. The Montis is better than spire also I suppose but I am not sure by how much. What Montis does is take the closed/sealed cabinet design of the Spire and add a passive radiator. What that means is they add another 10 inch driver but it has no amp. It is passive and it is there to bounce around and support the power driver and with a sealed cabinet combined with the servo technology it is supposed to again get a step closer to the smooth transition between the panel and the driver. On this stuff on the Montis I am shooting from hip by memory but pretty this is the main difference as far as the Montis is concerned. I am told from friends that they actually like the Spires closed cabinet sound vs the little deeper but not as tight Montis. I am told the Summit X is a total other level and some prefer it over the CLX which is saying a lot. The Summit X are beasts and those are my next targets but I have been happy playing with source and other components for now. $15 G's for a set of Summit X is some serious coin. The Spires are Martin Logan best bang for bucks in my opinion. My goal now is have everything I own be best bang for buck even though high end. My dac, my amp, my pre, my cables they all punch way above their weight and really that is what I try to do. I think the ESL are great bang for buck speakers as well. Put the right and budget conscious bang for buck equipment in front of them an you will be amazed at how much better you can get them to sound. I know they sound great now but trust me it gets a lot better. Just do little things at a time and take your time. The recieiver sounds great so no hurry. Like some used AQ cables, a decent used dac and a decent used tube amp with at least 20 wpc and you will be very surprised how improved your sound will become. Who knows if I stumble upon used set of Summit X in the 8k range I could flip my Spires and jump on those X's but until then I absolutely love the spires. Again sorry for type-o...
post #364 of 727
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Originally Posted by fsmithjack View Post

The Summit X wasn't out yet. The Spire was the first of the CLX Class to be released and they were out way before the others. See the Spires hit the market years before Summit X and well over a year before the Montis and maybe even longer. At that time when the Spire came out it was released as the new and highest one ML sold other than the CLX and they were positioned as the heir apparent to the Summit. . Later on the Montis came and then the Summit X. Both are better than the Spire but they all used the CLX panel.

As far as class what I mean is generation. The Accent i and Odyssey and the like were the last big ones and they sounded great but look kinda dated and are real big. ML wanted a more modern and smaller package so they came out with the Summit class/generation of speakers. This generation was a real big change for them. ML wanted to modernized their product line/class/generation and they proceeded to make them smaller and better and with a much more modern look. There are many other speakers in this class also, such as smaller ones as well Source, Purity, etc, etc. After those now that they made the big transition to all smaller panel and cabinet the next goal was to improve the panel and improve the integration with panel to the cabinet. This was done by releasing the CLX generation of speaker spear headed by the Spire being a derivative of the CLX. The first in and many times overlooked which is great for me and other owners. The Spire is kind of a sleeper speakers.

The Summit X is the true replacement for the Summit. I say that because it is the only one other than the Summit to use duel 10 inch self powered drivers with 2 amps per cabinet like the old summit did. The Montis is better than spire also I suppose but I am not sure by how much. What Montis does is take the closed/sealed cabinet design of the Spire and add a passive radiator. What that means is they add another 10 inch driver but it has no amp. It is passive and it is there to bounce around and support the power driver and with a sealed cabinet combined with the servo technology it is supposed to again get a step closer to the smooth transition between the panel and the driver. On this stuff on the Montis I am shooting from hip by memory but pretty this is the main difference as far as the Montis is concerned. I am told from friends that they actually like the Spires closed cabinet sound vs the little deeper but not as tight Montis. I am told the Summit X is a total other level and some prefer it over the CLX which is saying a lot. The Summit X are beasts and those are my next targets but I have been happy playing with source and other components for now. $15 G's for a set of Summit X is some serious coin. The Spires are Martin Logan best bang for bucks in my opinion. My goal now is have everything I own be best bang for buck even though high end. My dac, my amp, my pre, my cables they all punch way above their weight and really that is what I try to do. I think the ESL are great bang for buck speakers as well. Put the right and budget conscious bang for buck equipment in front of them an you will be amazed at how much better you can get them to sound. I know they sound great now but trust me it gets a lot better. Just do little things at a time and take your time. The recieiver sounds great so no hurry. Like some used AQ cables, a decent used dac and a decent used tube amp with at least 20 wpc and you will be very surprised how improved your sound will become. Who knows if I stumble upon used set of Summit X in the 8k range I could flip my Spires and jump on those X's but until then I absolutely love the spires. Again sorry for type-o...

Um, spires have been discontinued for quite some time now. The spires had a very short life-time, replaced quickly by the Montis. And the Montis doesn't have a PR, just the single 10" like the spires they replaced.

You keep mentioning the CLX panel. The CLX is a specific model speaker, I assume you mean the XStat CLS panel that was derived from CLX tech?
post #365 of 727
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

Um, spires have been discontinued for quite some time now. The spires had a very short life-time, replaced quickly by the Montis. And the Montis doesn't have a PR, just the single 10" like the spires they replaced.

You keep mentioning the CLX panel. The CLX is a specific model speaker, I assume you mean the XStat CLS panel that was derived from CLX tech?

No man not at all. I tell you what. This is an is an impossible site to talk on so I will let you guys just do your thing. I was trying to help the OP out from buying crap cable and thinking receivers sound better with Xstats than tubes. Dude, what is CLS. I own the Spires so I obviously know they are disconnected but that has nothing to do with our conversion. CLX and they call it this after the actual speaker. It is the type of panel that is used on the Spire, Ethos, Montis, Theos, etc. He was asking about difference between Spire and Summit both discontinued speakers but the Spire has the new CLX panel and the Summit has the Summit panel. I stated that I was going on memory so if the Montis has the single driver then maybe it is the Ethos that has the passive radiator. I don't really care either way because it has nothing to do with what we were talking about. The UM the Spires are discontinued makes no sense considering we were talking about two discontinued speakers that we both are quite aware of. I was trying to give him a better understanding of the different generation of panels. I quoted the newer model to show they have the same CLX panel so he could get a better understanding of the CLX panel generation vs the Summit Generation panels.. If you owned the Spires you would see the CLX tech written all over the box. The Spire was the bridge speaker that came in between the Summit Generation and the currant CLX Generation. The first in as I said. The rest of the models were not done yet and they we moving their operation to Canada to their parent company new facility.
post #366 of 727
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

Um, spires have been discontinued for quite some time now. The spires had a very short life-time, replaced quickly by the Montis. And the Montis doesn't have a PR, just the single 10" like the spires they replaced.

You keep mentioning the CLX panel. The CLX is a specific model speaker, I assume you mean the XStat CLS panel that was derived from CLX tech?

Oh wow, when I just responded I didn't realize the last statement was from you. I thought it was someone else just chiming in on our conversation. I was actually taking the time because I thought you were genuinely interested in the difference between the speakers but now realize you are just trolling. My bad... You guys enjoy. Here is the quote from the ML site:

Spire
25 Years of Passion, Pride, and Performance
The first new MartinLogan speaker of the CLX generation, Spire marks a new paradigm for high-performance sound. Crossover engineering derived from the CLX loudspeaker seamlessly blends the high-resolution XStat™ and PoweredForce™ drivers.
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Yup, asking clarifying questions=trolling rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif
post #368 of 727
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

Yup, asking clarifying questions=trolling rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif

LOL..Your comments were statements not questions...
post #369 of 727
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

Can you elaborate a little on the ML Panel Class? partially because I have no idea what you mean and according to the ML website the Summits used their 44" Xstat CLS panel, though not being an expert in panel revisions it could easily just be an earlier version.

I don't know what he's going on about either. I'm not an expert in everything ML but as far as I know there's 3 panel types, CLS 1st gen, CLS 2nd gen, and XStat. I believe the difference in the same type of panel is just the size of the panel (larger panel, lower Xover point) and the various models of CLS and CLX class is they have the bass panels vs the cones in the hybrids. I know the CLS 1st Gen only last for 10-15 years and the XStat are supposed to last longer. Also I've heard that if you compare a same size XStats vs the other panel types the XStats are more sensitive and play louder. I can't comment on the CLS 1st gen panel as I haven't heard them. My Source has the CLS 2nd Gen and my EM ESL's have the XStat. I haven't compared them directly but they sound similarish but the XStat panel seems to be more versatile for various genres of music. It's a generalization but the CLS 2nd gen was more friendly for acoustic style music like Jazz and Classical but slightly dull sounding for Rock, Metal, and any Electrically Generated/Amped kinds of music. The XStat seems to keep the sweetness for acoustic like music and sounds better than the CLS 2nd Gen with Rock/Metal etc. This is of course subjective. I've heard of plenty of people who prefers the CLS 1st Gen panel types to the XStat kind.

The guy who asked about wire would do better spending the extra $$$ that fsmithjack recommends in speaker wire on acoustic treatments for their room.
Edited by |Tch0rT| - 8/28/13 at 6:35pm
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Yup. 🍺
post #371 of 727
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Originally Posted by |Tch0rT| View Post

The guy who asked about wire would do better spending the extra $$$ that fsmithjack recommends in speaker wire on acoustic treatments for their room.

Couldn't agree more about room treatments. You could easily make the argument it is the second most important part of your system, if not the single most important part. Unfortunately for many, including me, if one wants to keep their wife around then acoustic panels are not an option smile.gif
post #372 of 727
Question to all....when watching some blurays I have noticed some faint crackling when the voice goes from soft to loud. It is very evident in transformers 3. You can hear it occu at any volume. I have the motion 30 connected to marantz av8801 pre and a marantz mm8077 amp. Oppo 103 bluray player. All the equipment is less than 5 months old. Is this a flaw in the recording/disc or a flaw in my ht setup? Thanks for your help!
post #373 of 727
Can you give a specific scene? I haven't seen Transformers 3 in a bit but I don't remember any crackling sound.
post #374 of 727
Yeah it's the part when the main character saves the girl from Greys anatomy guy...the Greys guys jumps over a wall to say the autobots are coming. In the Chicago scene.
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For others this scene is roughly 1 hour 43 min to 1 hour 45 min. Everything was crystal clear but there was a slight crackle in his voice he yells "The Autobots are alive!" I didn't hear it when the other characters talked just that line. If you hadn't pointed it out I might never have noticed it really.
post #376 of 727
That's the exact line I am talking about! Thanks! I just want to make sure it's not my equipment and rather a flaw in the movie. I'm thinking it is because I hear it at low volumes as well.
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Hmm, so you think it only happens with electrostats? Maybe someone here can listen to the scene on monkey coffins? I will watch it again this weekend. A Transformers 2 demo at Best Buy on MartinLogan ESL's is what sold me on electrostats. I never heard the movie so crisp and detailed. I went back home to listen on my 3 month old B&W CM9's and was disappointed. Ended up buying a pair of Theos a month later. Stupid Transformers cost me thousands!
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The motion 30 is not an electrostat but has a folded motion tweeter. I have heard others complain about this exact issue with other speaker brands. I think it's just the recording on the disc.
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The motion 30 is not an electrostat but has a folded motion tweeter. I have heard others complain about this exact issue with other speaker brands. I think it's just the recording on the disc.

Oh, I didn't realize you had Motions.
post #380 of 727
The electrostats are a gorgeous sounding speaker though!
post #381 of 727
I just listened to that scene twice and didn't hear anything anything odd when McDreamy said the Autobots are coming. Weird.
post #382 of 727
That's weird...I wonder if there are some suspect discs in circulation. Because when I turn it down a lot and listen closely to the speaker it still crackles. So I doubt it's my center tweeter being blown...correct?
post #383 of 727
If it's only that movie I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's possible the crackling is more pronounced on the folded motion tweeter. I have an Encore TF for a center which uses a Bohlender Graebener Neo3 for the highs and it was barely noticeable when I had it cranked.
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I have heard it in some other movies but not nearly as pronounced....it's too bad that I am listening for it now. There are other movies that sound flawless. So I'm guessing its just some minor editing issues. If it only happened at high volumes I would be worried about clipping but since it happens on low volumes my thought is its not clipping but the movie itself. I hope I'm correct in my thought process!
post #385 of 727
That would be my conclusion as well.

Your issue reminded me of this MBL corporate video:
post #386 of 727
Hi guys. I've been on and off this site for what seems like forever. I worked at Future Shop for over 10 years back in the day and well into the time that they were bought by Best Buy. With Best Buy came Magnolia which was nice as the big box stores now had access to higher end stuff than Polk Audio. At any rate, what does this have to do with anything? Well, I've been removed from this hobby for some time but in my new home there is a section of my basement I want to turn into a dedicated home theater. The GF is oddly all for it, and I have the ability to do whatever is wanted in that room. Acoustic treatments, etc, etc. That said, back to the beginning of the post, I still have a great deal of connections at Future Shop due to my tenure/status while there. Please no one hate me but I am able to purchase any Martin Logan Product at 75% off retail. Now, that said. This does NOT mean I'm going to go completely insane with this system I know its likely the wrong place to ask for some restraint here, but I still want to look at best bang for mu buck. 75% off or less. With this discount there is really NO point in looking at anything else for obvious reason. Here are the "issues". The room is only about 10ft wide once studded and drywalled, etc. The length, I have some control over as the allowance for what would be the bathroom is insane large. Room could be 16-22 feet long literally. My PLAN is to have a stage and a 110" screen or so. That said, the speakers will all be behind the screen. The other issue is that although Future shop skus all the way up to the Theos, there are NO stores that have them. I'd have to drive 90 minutes just to see the Motions or ESL for that matter. I would say 80% of the function would be movies, 15% gaming, and perhaps 5% music. There will be 2 rows of seating, the back being raised.

As is stands now I have a Denon receiver ( packed up, sorry no model but it's 120 watts), was about a $1200 retail piece when I got it maybe 3 or so years ago. I'm POSSIBLY open to getting amps for this if it's suggested based on my explanation of use, but will greatly depend on budget. As ai said, lets TRY not to go nuts, JUST becasue of the deal. Sadly, this isn't my only expensive hobby where I get deals. I have issues with cars and watches as well. So they all take a piece.

Fire away with thoughts/opinions please!

Much appreciated
post #387 of 727
Even with a 75% discount we still need to know a budget to give you recommendations.
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Originally Posted by DrMichael View Post

I have heard it in some other movies but not nearly as pronounced....it's too bad that I am listening for it now. There are other movies that sound flawless. So I'm guessing its just some minor editing issues. If it only happened at high volumes I would be worried about clipping but since it happens on low volumes my thought is its not clipping but the movie itself. I hope I'm correct in my thought process!

Do you have you Center set to "Small" or is it set to "Large". If it is set to "Large" then you are not employing the crossover. Your Center Speakers specs are 65–25,000 Hz ±3dB. With some HT materiel if your speakers are not crossed then you could easily be asking them to perform outside of their specs and this could cause you some undesirable performance. I'm not familiar with your receiver but my Pio Elite makes me cross them all at the same number but my Denon lets me cross per speakers. If it lets you cross specific speakers then I would set Center at Small and at 80hz.. With the Center in HT they carry such a heavy load it's really good to keep them within their specs. They will thank you for it. Set it at 80 and pass the low stuff of to others. If you can't cross a single speaker like my receiver won't let me then cross them all at 80 and see if it helps. In some receivers even if you set the Center to Small and the mains to Large the mains being set to Large will disable the entire crossover even if you set the Center to small so make sure when experimenting to make sure you set them all to small. This can be tough to try if you don't have a sub but even so you should at least try it and listen to that movie clip to test and see if it helps. You probably are already doing this but I thought it could be quite helpful if your not. I know the equipment is still kind of new to you so thought to throw it out there. Just an idea. Thanks
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Thanks for the reply. I've yet to even go there to be honest. When I say best value, or best bang for my buck, I'm one to spend the money if it's totally worth it. Being in sales I always tell my clients to stop spending money when there is no value coming back to you, This is why I outlined my intended usage for the system. sadly, I'm not able to audition any of these. That said, I tend to quantify everything, and by telling you the discount that doesn't change the percentage difference from one model to another. That remains the same. Up to the Theos which is the highest I can get, I can make the budget work. That will also depend now on if someone says, yeah they are worth the extra cash but now you need a bigger amp. This is why I haven't set a budget per say just yet. That said, the larger the amount that needs to be spent gets, the more I'll just drag the project on to save for it along the way. Perhaps I'll find a step by step process, maybe grab a 2 channel amp or a 3 channel to drive the fronts and or the center while leaving the others on the denon. My only huge discount avail to me is on speakers though due to their enormous margins. The electronics aren't nearly as marked up. The store carries Denon and Marantz, but not the higher end stuff. Still waiting to see if the discount can be had on all lines or JUSt whats in the store. Which also reminds me I was looking at running 2 12"s from the ML's as well due simply the value proposition.
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Originally Posted by Nighthawk26 View Post

Thanks for the reply. I've yet to even go there to be honest. When I say best value, or best bang for my buck, I'm one to spend the money if it's totally worth it. Being in sales I always tell my clients to stop spending money when there is no value coming back to you, This is why I outlined my intended usage for the system. sadly, I'm not able to audition any of these. That said, I tend to quantify everything, and by telling you the discount that doesn't change the percentage difference from one model to another. That remains the same. Up to the Theos which is the highest I can get, I can make the budget work. That will also depend now on if someone says, yeah they are worth the extra cash but now you need a bigger amp. This is why I haven't set a budget per say just yet. That said, the larger the amount that needs to be spent gets, the more I'll just drag the project on to save for it along the way. Perhaps I'll find a step by step process, maybe grab a 2 channel amp or a 3 channel to drive the fronts and or the center while leaving the others on the denon. My only huge discount avail to me is on speakers though due to their enormous margins. The electronics aren't nearly as marked up. The store carries Denon and Marantz, but not the higher end stuff. Still waiting to see if the discount can be had on all lines or JUSt whats in the store. Which also reminds me I was looking at running 2 12"s from the ML's as well due simply the value proposition.

It is very unlikely that you would be given access to the ML reserve line (anything above theos) if your store does not sell them. When I was with Best Buy and Magnolia HT we only were given access to Theos through the accomodation plan. It wasn't until I worked for the Magnolia Design Center that I was able to get the reserve line.

I have another question for you, you said that you'd have to drive pretty far to see the electrostats. have you ever listened to the ElectroMotion, Theos, or any other hybrid electrostatic speaker before? I ask because not everyone falls in love with the sound of electrostats and I'd hate for you to buy them only to be disappointed by them. If Future Shop accomodations are anything like Best Buy's were, you should get some pretty good deals on everything they sell. Even if you get a bigger discount on ML, it doesn't necessarily mean that you personally will get the most value from their speakers.

Ok, so for now I'm going to write as though I know that you've listened to ML speakers and like their sonic characteristics. If you really can fit anything up to at least the Theos, I would get the Theos without a moment's hesitation. The Theos has a much larger electrostatic panel and a lower crossover point. They Theos also look a whole like nicer than the Electromotions, though that wouldn't be an issue if you keep them hidden behind an AT screen. You didn't mention anything about a center channel or surrounds. Are you going to be doing just a 2.2 system or are you going 5.2/7.2?

Speaking of the screen, this may cause you a few problems. If you build a stage for the front of the room, will the ML's be up on the stage as well? And how high will the seating be in relation to the speakers/screen? The ML electrostats are already angled up so if the end up being higher than your sitting position, you will need to angle them forward pretty far to get the best sound out of them. Second possible issue that I see is that putting electrostats behind a screen may keep you from getting the best out of them. Any speaker, and especially di-poles, sound best if they have a decent amount of space between them and the wall.

If you are going to go with subs from ML, the price different between the Dynamo 1000 and Dynamo 1500 with accomodation pricing is negligible and the 1500 gives you the option of the perfect bass kit.
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