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post #421 of 733
I have my Motion 40's about 2" from the wall behind them. That's where they have to be in my theater. IMO, they sound fine. I can't move them more than another inch.

I know some people don't believe in speakers requiring " break in ". Martin Logan does say that their speakers require 72 hours of break in. At any rate, mine are definitely sounding smoother ( less" bright " perhaps ? ). I have a friend that commented the same the other day. They sound better.
post #422 of 733
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Originally Posted by SledgeHammer View Post

Anyone have the Motion 20's or Motion 40's? I didn't read through all 417 pages of this thread hah... saw some posts that say you can't have them near a wall? wtf? who puts speakers out in the middle of the room? I have Polk RT400s and they have the port in the back too... I keep 'em about 3 or 4 inches from the wall. Is that going to be an issue?

I have L/R Motion 40's, Motion 30 center, and Motion 15 surrounds.

If you don't find it to be an issue currently you won't find it to be one here either. They're certainly not as picky as say an electrostatic speaker when it comes to room placement. I keep mine about 18" away from the wall. I have a plasma mounted on the wall and an AV cabinet below it. The front of the speakers are about flush with the front of the cabinet, it doesn't feel like they're "in the middle of the room" at all.

BTW, of course I'm partial because I own the system but......holy crap does it sound good. It's a true all round performer for music and movies: the 40's are amazing with 2 channel music and the soundfield is so huge yet so cohesive for movies that it is just jaw dropping. You won't be disappointed, the ribbon tweeters are incredible.

I'm picky about aesthetics as well, and good luck finding anything with this nice of cabinetry at their price. Aperion is about the only one who's close IMO. I demo'd GoldenEar and this ML system and it was an easy choice in the end.
post #423 of 733
Don't forget that AV Science sells Martin Logan - give as a call if you are interested in buying new speakers. smile.gif
post #424 of 733
Is there any issue running the Motion 20's or Motion 40's on an 8-Ohm AVR? Right now I have a Denon AVR-3808CI, but I'll probably upgrade when HDMI 2.0 is available. If I do get the Motion 20's/40's, I'll also get the matching center and in-ceiling rears. So that'll be 5 4-Ohm speakers. Can the average 8-ohm AVR handle that?
post #425 of 733
Running Motion 40's and Motion 8 with Denon X4000. Absolutely no issues. These speakers are fantastic...
post #426 of 733
I don't believe that would be a problem - even Martin Logan states their speakers are fine with 8 ohm recievers. In most normal sized rooms you won't turn up the volumn that loud. if your home theater is in a 10,000 square foot former church, and you like to crank it beyond reference levels, you might have issues .............
post #427 of 733
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

I need everyone's opinion on something:

So I'm likely going to order a depth i sub in the next day or two and I wanted your opinions on the different wood finishes. The only finish my dealer had on display is dark cherry and I've never seen any others in person. Just wanted you guys' thoughts on how the different finishes look. Also, since I'm a perpetual upgrader, is there any impact on resale values for different finishes? I had originally planned to off for the new subs, but I really can't justify the $1000 price increase for the replacement models.

I've seen a Descent in Natural Cherry and thought it was great looking. The blessing and curse of a work-of-art looking speaker like the Depth or Descent is that you risk it not being the right look.

I'd get whatever you think looks best in your environment - that's the piece of this equation you control.
post #428 of 733
Speaking of MartinLogan subs - why do they get so little praise on these boards? Is it that they are over-priced compared to the bang-for-the-buck you can get from Sub-specific companies?

I ask because I'm questioning my ML sub decisions.

In 2005 I bought a Grotto for my 16' by 22' wide HT room, which also happens to be my wife's living room. It fit my 1k budget, seemed of high enough quality to work with whatever F/C/L I was sure to waffle over for several months, and was of shape and size to not bother my wife.

Last week on a whim I decided to upgrade my bass situation - and did so by buying a 1k Grotto i, giving me dual Grottos. The small footprint and triangular shape works well for the corners of the room - better than rectangular boxes.

It sounds great to me, but since so few people seem to do as I have done - i.e. non-ML F/C/L, ML subs - that I wonder if I've erred in my sub choices.

Last question - if prices do drop on the Depth i, or I can find two used, do you think 2 Depths would be significantly better than 2 Grottos?

My setup:
Fronts: Totem Forests
Center: Totem Signature Center
Surround and Front Height: Bose
Subs: ML Grotto and ML Grotto i

AVR: Yamaha RX-A2030
post #429 of 733
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Originally Posted by Janibrewski View Post

Speaking of MartinLogan subs - why do they get so little praise on these boards? Is it that they are over-priced compared to the bang-for-the-buck you can get from Sub-specific companies?

I ask because I'm questioning my ML sub decisions.

In 2005 I bought a Grotto for my 16' by 22' wide HT room, which also happens to be my wife's living room. It fit my 1k budget, seemed of high enough quality to work with whatever F/C/L I was sure to waffle over for several months, and was of shape and size to not bother my wife.

Last week on a whim I decided to upgrade my bass situation - and did so by buying a 1k Grotto i, giving me dual Grottos. The small footprint and triangular shape works well for the corners of the room - better than rectangular boxes.

It sounds great to me, but since so few people seem to do as I have done - i.e. non-ML F/C/L, ML subs - that I wonder if I've erred in my sub choices.

Last question - if prices do drop on the Depth i, or I can find two used, do you think 2 Depths would be significantly better than 2 Grottos?

My setup:
Fronts: Totem Forests
Center: Totem Signature Center
Surround and Front Height: Bose
Subs: ML Grotto and ML Grotto i

AVR: Yamaha RX-A2030

My guess is that people who go the diy route or ID brands tend not to care as much about looks or size. Also, for diy guys, time isn't free. People will spend hundreds of hours designing and building subs. Time is valuable. I also think that while you can definitely get seriously bad subs from standard brands, people tend to immediately write off all brick and mortar brands.

IMHO, the ML subs put to shame subs from companies like def tech, energy, or even REL.
post #430 of 733
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Speaking of MartinLogan subs - why do they get so little praise on these boards? Is it that they are over-priced compared to the bang-for-the-buck you can get from Sub-specific companies?

The only reason I don't use them is that I already had an SVS cylinder sub that works better than anything I've ever had previously. And has for 6 years. I can't imagine changing my existing sub. Changing my speakers for the ML Motion series was, on the other hand, a big improvement over my old speakers.

I'm sure ML makes fine subwoofers though.
post #431 of 733
They are cheaper than the big made in Canada Paradigms, and come from the same factory now. I was actually surprised that the ML's were as cheap as they are considering how upscale and sophisticated they are. I also looked at JL Audio Fathoms made in USA, but they cost more too and warranty is questionable. B&W DB-1 is also more money and not even made in England.

You can get something made in China or a big ugly box with more SPL for less, which seems to be what most AVS guys are interested in.
Edited by AVfile - 10/7/13 at 9:13pm
post #432 of 733
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

You can get something made in China or a big ugly box with more SPL for less, which seems to be what most AVS guys are interested in.

That makes sense. Boom-boom-shake-the-room man cave subs vs. living room subs. Makes me feel better about going the way I have... though dual Depths might have made me happier than dual Grottos... 3% happier for twice the price...

smile.gif
post #433 of 733
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Originally Posted by Janibrewski View Post

That makes sense. Boom-boom-shake-the-room man cave subs vs. living room subs. Makes me feel better about going the way I have... though dual Depths might have made me happier than dual Grottos... 3% happier for twice the price...

smile.gif

Well you can basically get a Rythmik sub which is also servo controlled and sealed for the same price. Only with the Rythmik you are getting a piano black finish, and you're getting a 12" woofer which is going to outperform the Grotto's 10" woofer. The build quality on these are excellent, unless you find this to look objectionable. These are not one-note ported behemoths, they're regarded as some of the most musical subs you'll find.



If you compare this to the retail price of $1,500 for a Grotto there's really no contest.
post #434 of 733
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

So I'm likely going to order a depth i sub in the next day or two and I wanted your opinions on the different wood finishes. The only finish my dealer had on display is dark cherry and I've never seen any others in person. Just wanted you guys' thoughts on how the different finishes look. Also, since I'm a perpetual upgrader, is there any impact on resale values for different finishes? I had originally planned to off for the new subs, but I really can't justify the $1000 price increase for the replacement models.

I am about to "pull the trigger" on the last Descent-i available from the Canadian distributor. I usually buy all black components to minimize distractions in my theater, but it is dark cherry. I was going to wait for the new series but this is so highly discounted I can't resist. I am thinking with the sub placed in the corner of the room, not under the screen, I will not even see it when the lights are off AS LONG AS THE FINISH ISN'T SHINY LIKE THIS PIC. When the lights are on I can admire its beauty. What do you think?

post #435 of 733
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I am about to "pull the trigger" on the last Descent-i available from the Canadian distributor. I usually buy all black components to minimize distractions in my theater, but it is dark cherry. I was going to wait for the new series but this is so highly discounted I can't resist. I am thinking with the sub placed in the corner of the room, not under the screen, I will not even see it when the lights are off AS LONG AS THE FINISH ISN'T SHINY LIKE THIS PIC. When the lights are on I can admire its beauty. What do you think?


There is a bit of shine but it's not glossy by any stretch. Also keep in mind that shine is highly dependent on angles so if it's in the front corner it's highly unlikely that it will show any shine.
post #436 of 733
Thanks. One last concern is supply of spare parts for the outgoing models. I read in the Martin Logan owners' forum that they were giving lifetime warranty! Any truth?
post #437 of 733
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Thanks. One last concern is supply of spare parts for the outgoing models. I read in the Martin Logan owners' forum that they were giving lifetime warranty! Any truth?

I wouldn't see why that would not be true. Martin Logan has been around for awhile. Then again, I've never "blown up " or broken a speaker. eek.gif
post #438 of 733
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

I wouldn't see why that would not be true. Martin Logan has been around for awhile. Then again, I've never "blown up " or broken a speaker. eek.gif

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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Thanks. One last concern is supply of spare parts for the outgoing models. I read in the Martin Logan owners' forum that they were giving lifetime warranty! Any truth?

Definitely NOT giving any type of lifetime warranty. What MartinLogan said on the MLO forums is that they offer lifetime SUPPORT. What that means is that they will continue to have replacement parts and repair service available for PURCHASE should you need it. This was a big issue mostly for the martinlogan electrostats. They had said that they would stop supporting certain products that weren't in active production but then quickly reversed their stance stating that they would continue to offer support for life. They also offer a loyalty upgrade program if you have legacy ML products that need repair.
post #439 of 733
I read that as support - the actual warranty is 5 years for speakers, 3 years for subwoofers. 2 years for soundbars and outdoor speakers - https://www.martinlogan.com/support/warranty.php
post #440 of 733
You must also register your product within (I believe) 90 days to get the full warranty.
post #441 of 733
OK that's better than Energy and Mirage who sold everything and the new Chinese manufacturer is unable to provide parts (even under warranty) for two speakers that I own. I was just afraid that might happen with older ML models since the move to the Canadian factory.

So will the Descent fit in the back seat of a 4-door sedan (Passat) or will I need to borrow a truck? Dimensions are approx 21"x20"x20" unboxed.
Edited by AVfile - 10/8/13 at 6:09pm
post #442 of 733
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post


Definitely NOT giving any type of lifetime warranty. What MartinLogan said on the MLO forums is that they offer lifetime SUPPORT. What that means is that they will continue to have replacement parts and repair service available for PURCHASE should you need it. This was a big issue mostly for the martinlogan electrostats. They had said that they would stop supporting certain products that weren't in active production but then quickly reversed their stance stating that they would continue to offer support for life. They also offer a loyalty upgrade program if you have legacy ML products that need repair.

Just to be clear about the Lifetime Support. They offer it to every model except the Logos center channel just in case anyone was tempted on picking up a used one.
post #443 of 733
Really? I didn't know that. Why no support for the logos?
post #444 of 733
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I am about to "pull the trigger" on the last Descent-i available from the Canadian distributor. I usually buy all black components to minimize distractions in my theater, but it is dark cherry. I was going to wait for the new series but this is so highly discounted I can't resist. I am thinking with the sub placed in the corner of the room, not under the screen, I will not even see it when the lights are off AS LONG AS THE FINISH ISN'T SHINY LIKE THIS PIC. When the lights are on I can admire its beauty. What do you think?


It's not shiny.

Pro: it's gorgeous like a piece of furniture
Con: it's too big to hide

To me, it only works in a huge room.

Sound is fantastic.
post #445 of 733
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Originally Posted by simp1yamazn View Post

Really? I didn't know that. Why no support for the logos?

I haven't heard anything from them directly but others have inquired and stated that ML said they no longer make the panel. Someone over on MLO made a replacement panel so it tempts me once in a while when I see a Logos for sale.
post #446 of 733
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Originally Posted by Janibrewski View Post

That makes sense. Boom-boom-shake-the-room man cave subs vs. living room subs. Makes me feel better about going the way I have... though dual Depths might have made me happier than dual Grottos... 3% happier for twice the price...

smile.gif

I sure hope I get that 3% - I just ordered 2 Depth i subs to replace my Grottos.

There's no place in my living room to hide subs, so I have to spend a little more to avoid cubes and cylinders, even though I will have less bang (and fewer bucks).
post #447 of 733
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Originally Posted by emcdade View Post

Well you can basically get a Rythmik sub which is also servo controlled and sealed for the same price. Only with the Rythmik you are getting a piano black finish, and you're getting a 12" woofer which is going to outperform the Grotto's 10" woofer. The build quality on these are excellent, unless you find this to look objectionable. These are not one-note ported behemoths, they're regarded as some of the most musical subs you'll find.



If you compare this to the retail price of $1,500 for a Grotto there's really no contest.

If it were a dedicated HT room or man cave, I'd be right with you. But as my HT is my living room, the WAF of the Depth i subs wins out. And it comes in Maple, which matches the furniture.
post #448 of 733
*shameless plug*

I have a depth i up for sale in the classifieds smile.gif
post #449 of 733
Got my Descent i. So far NOT impressed.

Do these subs make a buzzing sound, audible within 2 or 3 ft of the unit when no music is playing? Is there a fan inside? All I did is connect an XLR cable and plug it in... sounds like a quiet refrigerator when I put my ear up to it.
post #450 of 733
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Originally Posted by Janibrewski View Post

It's not shiny.

Pro: it's gorgeous like a piece of furniture
Con: it's too big to hide

To me, it only works in a huge room.

Sound is fantastic.

I agree it looks beautiful. But I was actually surprised how compact it is. Seems a bit smaller than the Paradigm Sub 1 and much smaller than my old Mirage BPS-400.
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