SURROUND SPEAKERS - Bipole, Dipole, Quadpole, Omnipole... WHICH ONE? - Page 8

TV and soundstage is at one end of 37L room. Seating approximately 13' from TV with 24' of open room behind seating area. Have Polk RTiA5's up front. Should I go with RTiA3 bookshelves or FXiA6 surrounds. Thanks for your suggestions.

I need help with the selection/placement of my surrounds. My couch is against back wall (long wall in room that is about 25x15.) The surrounds will have to located within 13-14 inches from the corners, I guess I can use the back or side walls. Should I go monopoles or bipoles? Will there be too much reflected sound with bipoles because of the corner location?

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What happened to your idea to...

That's still my first choice but I wanted to post pictures just to make sure I was on the right track.

Thanks,

Patrick

Any suggestions??

This is my room, with central listening position on couch shown and distance to TV and side walls. The left side is open to the kitchen and hall. As the left wall portion doesn't allow bi/dipole to be placed aligned with the listener, I now think that those aren't good speakers for my room.

Here's the link to a switchable 5.1/7.1 speaker from Focal (JMLabs):

http://www.focal-fr.com/catalogue-do...files/1349.pdf

I am actually considering this model, but if you look at the pictures of my room I have doubts I would be able to use them in 7.1 mode as they will be far apart - about 25 feet from each other. A similar model without the 5.1/7.1 switching capability is about $800 less.

I don't feel the JMlabs are overpriced at all, considering the way they sound and are built. These speakers are 27.5 pounds each - heavy for smallish wall mountable speakers. Having said that they may be overkill for surround use, but I do listen to 5.1 DVD-A's and SACD's. My question is if the switchable 5.1/-7.1 mode is worth it in my room versus a regular bipolar model, due to the fact the surrounds are so far apart. It might be better, giving me more "fill" to the back of my room to just go 5.1 ( Couch where I listen from is near rear wall.) If I get a similar bipolar model from JMlabs without the ability to switch it to a 7.1 system, I can save about $800.

Monopole (Bookshelf) speakers go on stands to the sides and slightly behind couch; that's my current setup. It's not ideal, as they're close to the the off-center couch sitting positions.

My -- admittedly meager -- understanding was that bi/dipoles were supposed to be wall mounted with the null aligned with the listening position. I can't wall mount on the left and be aligned to the null. I can mount on the rear wall, but that's also said to be a bad idea. I might be able to stand-mount bipoles and be aligned to the null; I'm not sure.

I need to ask the dealer if I can demo both options and see what works.

However, I've found that bipoles are no longer my big problem: the center channel is. These things are huge and don't fit my setup. I'm inquiring elsewhere about options for coping with that (hopefully, short of buying a smaller, cheaper speaker system).

BIpoles don't have a null. They have a wide, 180 dispersion pattern with NO NULL! Bipoles could be a good option for you because they have NO NULL!

DIpoles do have a null that is to be aligned at 90 degrees to the listening position.

Craig

Thanks for the reiteration. I think that's the first explicit statement of nominal position of biopole / dipole speakers in this entire thread The difficulty is that I can't find an explicit description of the ideal location for bipole and dipole speakers. Not in this thread; not elsewhere. I'm making educated guesses from what is said.

Specific to the Paradigm ADP speakers, Paradigm never labels their surround speakers as dipole or bipole, so I don't which they are, much less their ideal placement. Looking at the manual, they show them placed on the wall, listener in the null; or in the corners.

Hey,

I want a combo direct/diffuse design dipole speaker (aka "Tripole") I believe these will give me the best of all worlds no matter the source material I use. The only two models I have found so far are:

M&K SS150 THX:


Cambridge Soundworks Newton Series S300 / Series II S305


Does anyone know of other speakers made with this design? Preferably with slightly larger drivers? Hopefully they are affordable.

Thanks.

Wow, no matches in this thread for these? Fluance AV-BP2

100 bucks a piece. Anyone have any input?

The Cambridge Soundworks S300s let you use either the dome tweeter for monopole use or the two cone tweeters for dipole/bipole use, but not together. It's not a tripole, in other words.

Why the hell would they set it up like that? Direct and indirect radiating sound would be badass. Those stinking cheapskaters.

Direct and indirect radiating... from one speaker??? Sounds like a bipole to me.

Craig

My existing L/C/Rs (Atlantic Technology 727 in-walls)


My proposed surrounds (Atlantic Technology 14 in-walls, although I'd like something with a sealed enclosure)


My proposed room layout


The plan has changed slightly, but this is a fairly accurate representation of my room. After reading this thread, I think I would benefit from the following:
-slide the two side surrounds from behind the first row to directly beside the first row, and place them approximately 2' above ear height. Currently, they are shown at the Dolby & THX recommended 110 degrees from screen centerline, but I believe that is better suited for monopole configurations.
-set the two side surrounds in dipole mode
-to work with existing wall framing, I will need to place the two rear surrounds closer together than shown. Since they will be fairly close to the rear seats, would these work better switched to bipole? I guess I can experiment.

Because my back row of seats is on a 12" riser, I'm not sure whether to keep the side & rear surrounds at the same height (2' above 1st row ears) or set the rears 1' higher to keep them 2' above the rear row ears.

Appreciate the feedback.

Hi,

I've just purchased 5.0 channel Energy speaker set with Denon AVR-1910 for home theater system. The speaker set is the following:

Front Left/Right: CF-30
Center: CC-5
Surrounds: CR-10

Since I do not have much chances to use subwoofer in apartment, I did not order subwoofer. Later, I will get it if I have chance.

I plan to install speakers in my living room which has three closed walls and one open side on the right. So, I wonder how I could set up surround speakers. For left surround, I could use either side or rear walls, but I could just use rear wall for right surround. In this situation, how do I have to position surround speakers for 5.0 channel.

Also, I saw CR-10 has option for bipole/dipole. I do not have any experience for these option. For this, do I have to position speakers vertically or horizontally? Which do I have to use for home theater system. Please, recommend and share your idea with me. Thank you.

Best regards,
Inchul

I have read through most of the posts in this thread, and
still can't determine the best speakers to use for my
surround channels and exactly where to locate them. Part
of the problem is that I haven't come across a configuration
that resembles mine exactly.

Details of my set-up:

o 5.1 DolbyDigital/DTS using core audio from BluRay
o Room dimensions are 15' wide x 20' long x 8' tall
o Front speakers are 9' apart on 15' wide wall
o Front left and front right are Proac Tablette 50
o Listening position is 14' from front wall, 6' from rear wall
o Due to room layout, surround speakers must be mounted on
rear wall
o Rear channels will be used primarily for movies, and
very rarely for music (SACD, etc)

I currently have in-wall wiring run to the rear wall. Two
single-gang boxes contain the wire, one for the left surround
and the other for the right surround. Each of these boxes is
located 7' high and 3' in from each corner. I am willing to
relocate these boxes if it will make a substantial difference,
but they must remain on rear wall.

Please advise as to which type of speaker would work best
as well as mounting location.

Thanks in advance.