SURROUND SPEAKERS - Bipole, Dipole, Quadpole, Omnipole... WHICH ONE? - Page 16

thank you for the advise, Electric_Haggis. it would be nice if i could use my existing stands without compromising on SQ.
i'll update you once i settle.

Setting up a dedicated HT (12.5' x 20') with two rows of seating (100% movies and HD programming). I ran into the surround (mono, bi, di, omni) problem due to the two rows, and I was wondering if this could be a posibble solution.

Decided:
AVR - Denon AVR 33312CI
L/C/R (x3)= CMT 340 SE behind an AT screen/false wall.
subs (x2) = SVS PC12 NSD

Problem:
was considering linking two mono pairs of HTM 200SE for surround at each row, And then having a another pair of HTM 200SE for rears. Then there was a discussion about problems linking the surrounds, and the clutter of 6 speakers that close to the rear wall.

Solution?
I have seen a lot of great reviews of the Mirage OMD5 on here but not much discussion regarding the Mirage OMD-R. I love the look of the OMD-R and am wondering if this will work mounted between the first and second row, and then useing the HTM 200's for rear surrounds to finish the 7.2.

Is the OMD-R a good fit for this set up?

Here's a sketch of the room with the screen wall pulled back. Please let me know what you think or what might be a better option.

Thanks,
Pat

Hi,say thanks for all in this old threads for over 5 years! And it's happy to see the thread is continued after I read all 16 pages with 2 hours.

Why I took so much time for this thread?As I had question.I found this topic when I searched the answer for this reason:
If I use a pair of dipole in wall surrounds for side use,but install them in ceiling on the top of the sofas,but not on side wall.........Can I install like this way?Is it absolutely wrong?



I can't confirm if the images can be shown,so I describe some details here too:

The living room is a open area,22L 16.5W 8-9H,mergered from two rooms. There is a 5ft loading bear wall in 3/5 of the room by right side.The sofas is the main listening area in the front area,and the seats behind a work desk is the back second zones.The ceiling was also divided into two part as the loading structures in the line of loading wall.So,if I want to install the LRS-IW in the ceiling,I have to install them at the front or behind of the loading structures(the ceiling's low areas).

I want to build a 7.2 AV system:
The front speakes:a pair of Artison LR Marsterpiece.
The side surrounds: a pair of Artison LRS IW. Dipole mode.
The back surrounda: my old monopole shelf speakers
Sub:two Artison RCC300 subwoofers with a amp
Receiver:Intergra 70.3

My puzzles and questions:
1.Can I install the dipole IW side surrounds in Ceilng?But not on the side wall in null position.The Artison said theri IW LRS can be installed IW or IC.
2.For the exact or 'right' postion of the dipole side surround speakers,which opinions was right:the dipole side surrounds should be put a few front to the listening area as the dipole speakers' specifications;just like the normal side LRS,just install by the side of the listening area in null position,or a little behind less 20 degree.Which is right?
3.If install the dipole LRS-IW in ceiling,how to set the position? 6-8ft away? on the top of the listeners? Or fronter,behinder? If not,just install on side wall.Can I intall dipole on wall LRS at the asymmetric position in the images?
4.Artison's subs are special.For my room,a RCC600(equal to a 13' sub) or two RCC300,which is the better choice?And how to postion the sub?

The Artison's products were not the U L T I M A T E surrounds.I do hope everybody can talk about those speakers freely.I select it as it fit to my PDP,and I can get it easily.
In China,IW speakers just runed in the eyes of the users and fans in recent years.The selections was in narrow range.And the price of HT IW speakers are very high here(much higher than USA),although most of these speakers are made in China and we have a much lower salaries.

My English is poor.I hope I express my meaning accurately.Hope your respone.
Thanks!

Hello to you all
I am buying new speakers for my PC. I want 5.1. I will use it mainly for watching movies and sometimes playing some music and a little gaming. Now I have 3 choices 1. Edifier s550 for 435 (568$) 2. Logitech z-5500 for 389 (508$) 3. Logitech z906 for 288 (376$). Now can anyone tell me which is better, I only have this 3 choices. I want a bass that I can fell, and I want a loud set. Now I have Logitech x-540 they are good but not enough loud and clear. Please help.
Thanks

I think I may have to place an order for the Mirage OMDRs. With 5000 cubic feet, they seem like a good choice. More than I wanted to spend, but an unlikely upgrade candidate.

Hello,

I am curious what you guys normally use to evaluate surrounds?
Specifically if you prefer di(/bi/tri/omi)-poles, what movies and, ideally, specific moments in the movies, that in your opinion do not sound right with direct radiators?

thank you in advance

You don't want your surrounds to distract you from what is in front of you. The speakers should disappear, but not the audio. You should be encompassed with the audio, completely drawn into it all.

I don't think I answered your question, because I don't think there is a movie that represent the effect to distinguish between direct and pole speakers.

Thank you for the replies.

I think the trailers maybe exactly what I was looking for.

thanks again.

I was reading first page and last four pages. All great info!!! I am looking into getting a house soon. So I am just speaker browsing. I narrowed speakers down to

axiom
aperion
decware
b@w
BIC
salk
paradigm
zu audio
tekton

I already own a HSU vtf4 sub with turbo. The question that I have is this. Tekton has some great towers, but I do not see them making centers. From reading on this post, some people mix and match, but I thought that was a BIG no-no? If you can, how do you "match" them?
Second Question seems like a mixed reaction too. I always thought bookshelf was the way to go for surrounds. Now, with bi/di and quads, etc... seems that is the new thing. Correct? So if I get axiom qs8 get 1, 2 pairs for surrounds. Right?
What about the 9 speakers for Dolby Z? Keep the trend going?

thanks peeps!

E9

this is great stuff, hugely helpful.

thank you very much

thanks for the reply electric!

Thanks!It is really not a easy work for the position.At last,I have to set the two side dipole surround in ceiling,as I can not put the speaker wires to other position invisiblely.I asked local dealers of Artison,they said their IW SRS can be set in ceiling as their special design.I can not test as the fitting-out work is continuing.
I do hope to set two subs if my budget is enough.Thanks again and kind regards.

should i mount these to sides of wall? Can I do a 7.1 in this room with two speakers behind and overhead? Currently using Optimus LXII on sides. Thanks.

Just finished installing 2 wall mounts for 2 Klipsch WB-14 Icon Speakers.

They sound amazing.

But one of the speakers seems to be causing a 'reverb' type of noise in the wall it is mounted to.

I was listening to music and could not hear it, but when I was watching last nights episode of Game of Thrones - on scenes that were loud or intense - I could hear the noise.

Does anyone know of a good way to prevent this?

Would doing something along the lines of taking some Dynamat and putting it between the speaker and the wall help?

Or would the only way to truly prevent it be to get a speaker stand / or put it on a shelf?

Thanks for any help / or input.

I'm trying to decide what to do for surrounds in my room but I have one side that's really tough for placement and I'm wondering which direction I should go. I've attached a rough diagram of the room to assist. Basically, I'm considering buying some used Paradigm Studio ADPs and wondering if they may work on the rear wall since I'm missing one side wall (open to the kitchen and breakfast area). Because I also have a series of windows along the rear wall, this would result in one side of each ADP firing directly at, and about 4 inches away from, the small side wall. Is this workable, or am I more likely to be happy with a direct radiator or one of the mirage omnipoles directed out of the corner. Obviously this isn't ideal, but what do you guys think?

Haggis,

Any suggestions for the surrounds on my set up? Thanks.

I wanted to drop by this thread and say thanks - I replaced my back 4 (surround pair and back surround) with OMD 5. Crossover is around 150 if I recall. My mains are still monster speakers (philharmonic 2 + phil center). Denon 4311 running everything.

I bought them slightly used on fleabay for a song.

Will these Paradigm's do well on a rear wall? Appox. 6' from listening area and appox. at 8' in height.

http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/surround-rear/paradigm/monitor-series-7/surround-3

http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/surround-rear/paradigm/monitor-series-7/surround-1

Keep in mind the left speaker will have a reflecting wall to bounce off of. The right speaker will have an open area. Or is there another option for that setup. And all this figures in IF we get the new house.

Jeff

I'm builing a house. My HT/Family Room will be 19"L X 15"W X 10'H. My primary use is for movies and TV, although I will play about 10% music. See diagram below for room dimensions and planned speaker placement (one square = 1 sq/ft)... sorry about the pic, I haven't figured out how to do the nice looking computer drawings.

I want to complete a 7.1 system:
Center Channel is a Paradigm Studio CC-490 v5 (placed below Panasonic Plasma 65VT50)
The front speakes:are Paradigm Studio 20s.v5 (placed on 26" stands)
The side surrounds: Unknown, but am leaning towards switchable... but am thinking about Paradigm ADP-390 (pretty good price now), the Monitor Surround 1 or 3s, and would keep me in my "Pardigm comfort zone"
The rear surrounds are Studio 10s v5
Sub is a HSU STF-2
Receiver is a Denon 3312ci

Here are my questions and thoughts:
1.The side speakers can be placed in the null position. Should I take a chance on the ADP-390's or the Surround 1 or 3's?... I live in a small town and don't have the luxury of comparing anything of quality.
2.I am planning to mount the rear surround Studio 10's about 6' high in the position shown (110 degrees), slightly pointed downward.
3.I would install the dipole/bipole/monopole in the null position at about 6' high in the position shown.
4.I would appreciate any other thoughts about speaker placement, especially the side surrounds (dipole and/or bipole. or switchable) that have not yet been purchased. In particular, it appears Paradigm has moved to bi-directional from the ADP in an attempt to keep up with changes in current audio according to one review. "Monitor Surround 1 and Surround 3 have replaced the ADP’s of the previous Monitor Series and feature revised design and technology in keeping with the way sound is being mastered and mixed in today’s recording studios." What should I make of that?



Thanks!
Edited by Anhydro - 6/30/12 at 11:24pm

If we buy this house there would be no side surrounds. Living room opens to the kitchen with a cathedrial (thankfully a small one!) ceiling. So rear surrounds might be my only option.

Jeff

Anyone place their side surround speakers at 60-80 degree? How does it sound?
ITU spec states that surrounds for 7 channel setup can be placed between 60-150 degrees. With the side surrounds at 60-80 degree, it'll be closer to the arrangement of Audyssey DSX Front Wide. Problem is I'm not sure if Klipsch WDST design can work out for that placement. What say you?