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post #61 of 204
Uhhhh....Uhhhh...well I didn't measure em. Is that one of those funky isolating cases that keeps the PS chamber seperate from the main chamber? (Looks inside case) uhhh...maybe???

(hard to tell...they aren't super long, or super short...
post #62 of 204
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Switched RAM to Crucial Ballistix because it was a recommended RAM on the MSI site for the motherboard I'm going for.

I only went for 2 gigs (2x1gig)... should I just go for 4gig now on Vista or does it not make a difference?
post #63 of 204
IMHO ALERT: Crucial Ballistix SUCKS.

I've bought their ram twice for the P4, and both times the memory could barely do its rated speed, and not a lick over it.

4 gigs for Vista....dig deep
post #64 of 204
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IMHO ALERT: Crucial Ballistix SUCKS.

Good to know. How about Corsair XMS?
post #65 of 204
Dave, I am following you thread and like you the Motherboard seems to be the hardest item to pick. As soon as I think I have found one, I find too many folks that have problems. I just want a rock solid stable board ( no overclocking to be done) and run a E 6700 Intel Chip. Your latest seems like it might work, and I found a pretty comprehensive review. There is one consideration you should be aware of if you are going to use a big aftermarket cooler ( I plan to) There is a capacitor on the back of the board that interferes some cooler mounting brackets
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...latinum/3.html

Like Rosanne Anna Dana says "It's always something..."

p.s. I am looking at Corsair Dominator memory
post #66 of 204
Well, just aobut any motherboard should run flaw-free without any overclocking.

The idea behind paying more for a MB is that the components are solid when you start to push it beyond its "advertised specs", per say.

Intel leaves free performance in their chips, they have for years. The C2D chips have *LOADS* of free performance, just waiting to be tapped by a simple change of the Front Side Bus speed.

I dont know why you guys are looking at high-end memory if you aren't overclocking.
Dave, look at the G.Skill "Customer choice" DDR2-800 that uses the micron chips. 2 gigs for $124 and its supposedly kicking the ass of sticks asking $200+ per 2gig unit....

Just worth looking into.
post #67 of 204
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

Dave, I am following you thread and like you the Motherboard seems to be the hardest item to pick. As soon as I think I have found one, I find too many folks that have problems. I just want a rock solid stable board ( no overclocking to be done) and run a E 6700 Intel Chip. Your latest seems like it might work, and I found a pretty comprehensive review. There is one consideration you should be aware of if you are going to use a big aftermarket cooler ( I plan to) There is a capacitor on the back of the board that interferes some cooler mounting brackets
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...latinum/3.html

Like Rosanne Anna Dana says "It's always something..."

p.s. I am looking at Corsair Dominator memory

Thanks for the link -- some things give reason for pause. The BIOS issue I'll bet is fixed by now, but that lil' cap on the back of the mobo, right in the path of a CPU mounting bracket... why did that do that??? Then again, if you don't plan to overclock then the stock Intel cooler won't have this issue.

Corsair Dominator is a little rich for my blood. I can't see justifying $400+ for 2 gigs when we can get 4 gigs of the same comany's non-Dominator for around $360, especially if your aren't overclocking.

Oh, and I'm very tempted to get your suggestion on the Antec P182 tower, but I think it might make the install slightly more complicated... albeit probably a better end result.

Maybe Jim "motoman" will report back and let us know how his install went this weekend.
post #68 of 204
Ouch I had not priced that memory yet, and was going off a recommdation. It is a little rich for my blood also. I thought it was 200 for 2 gigs

HeadRusch wonders "I dont know why you guys are looking at high-end memory if you aren't overclocking."

Speaking for myself, I am one step above the village idiot. I am relying on reviews and suggested systems here and on the net. The last time I built a computer was 5 years ago, an am way behind in the new stuff. I was shocked to see the SATA drives and wires. Had never seen that. I am getting a headace reading so many conflicting reviews, with much that I barely understand.

My hope is to build a very fast stable machine that will last me a number of years and if I pick the right stuff my be able to upgrade parts without doing the whole thing over.

Thanks for the Memory tip, That looks very good
post #69 of 204
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch View Post

I dont know why you guys are looking at high-end memory if you aren't overclocking.
Dave, look at the G.Skill "Customer choice" DDR2-800 that uses the micron chips. 2 gigs for $124 and its supposedly kicking the ass of sticks asking $200+ per 2gig unit....

Just worth looking into.

That's good advice... the MSI page for the motherboard doesn't list G.Skill as one of the 8 or so companys with "supported memory" for this motherboard.

I know G.Skill would work, but I'm such a rule-follower that I wanted to stick with what the mobo manufacturer suggests. Should I save the ~$120 and go with G.Skill?

Also, what's the deal with "Cas Latency"??? The G.Skill has two different 4gig sets of RAM on Egghead and the only difference I can find is the more expensive one has timing of "5-5-5-15" and the cheaper one has timing of "6-6-6-18". Is lower better, and is this a setting I need to go into BIOS and setup/change?

I'll probably order the parts tomorrow, and I know as soon as I do I'll find out I should have done something different.
post #70 of 204
My build is up and running as I type this. I can post more tomorrow since I've been at this since about noon today. I took my time and did a nice job on all the wiring and cable routing so everything took a while then I BBQ'd some steaks in between

So far everything is working fine. I updated the bios on the P5K Deluxe off a usb thumb drive and it has worked fine since boot up. I had to change the timings on the G.Skil memory in the bios but that was no biggie. G.Skil memory right now is a pretty good deal and like Head Rusch said allot of people in different PC forums are saying go for it because it will overclock well. I've used it in three systems now and it has worked well for me. I also have always had really good luck with Asus MB's so that's why I went with it.

Myself I like the P182 case. I was able to route some the cables from the Corsair 620W modular power supply up the back side of the case then to the motherboard. I used the lower drive cage to mount the two hard drives. It uses silicon grommets to mount the drives and they mount vertical in the cage and almost float in the cage to reduce vibration and noise. I added a Scythe 110mm fan in front of the top hard drive cage and it blows directly onto the cpu and video card. Right now there are 4 110mm fans in the case and even with the side still off it's pretty quite.

I'll get more stuff installed tomorrow and might go ahead and order a new monitor tomorrow. I'm using a NEC 20 WMGX now and I'm still leaning toward the Dell 2407 HC model. Still happy with your's there Daver???

I guess I posted more than I planned but I've been typing while windows downloads all the updates. If anybody has any questions I'll try and answer them. Now it's off to bed.......

Jim
post #71 of 204
I am very interested in your MB, especially the EZ Flash for the Bios. ( I have never flashed a Bios out of fear of screwing the pooch so to speak) I like that you could do it from a USB drive, even without the OS. What version came installed and what did you flash to

The only neg I read so far was that there might be some electrical protrusions on the underside of the board, interfering with an aftermarket CPU cooler bracket. Did you find this to be true
post #72 of 204
If I purchase a new copy of Windows XP pro is it 64 bit or 32

Which does anyone recommend
post #73 of 204
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Congrats on your success motoman!!!

You convinced me to switch back to G.Skill memory. How much RAM did you go for and what was the CAS on it?

You went with the Asus P5K Deluxe motherboard... that doesn't do SLI, correct?
post #74 of 204
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Congrats on your success motoman!!!

You convinced me to switch back to G.Skill memory. How much RAM did you go for and what was the CAS on it?

You went with the Asus P5K Deluxe motherboard... that doesn't do SLI, correct?


It does ATI Crossfire which is a dual card format. But perhaps others can speak to which is better
post #75 of 204
Crossfire is ati's version of SLI. Also go with the 32 bit version of xp. May i ask why you dont want to go with vista?
post #76 of 204
Well it booted back up this morning so I guess that's good news

I had downloaded the latest beta build bios ver. 0501 which supports the E6850 and a few other things. I unzipped it to my Corsair USB Flash Voyager and on boot up I hit the DEL key and got into the bios. Went to Tools and picked the EZ Flash utility and it found the file on the USB drive and it updated it. The MB came with Ver. 0202. It was very easy. I used the stock Intel Heatsink and fan that came with the chip. I will probably O/C a little at some point but for now I'm up and running with no issues at the stock 3.0 GHZ 1333mhz.

The P5K does not do SLI but I won't be doing SLI so it was a non issue for me. I have a EVGA 8800 GTX so I should be ok there.

I went with 2 GB memory G.Skil DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 The NEW EGG item number of the Invoice is 20-231-065.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147+50008476+1052308477+1052416064&name=DDR2+800+(PC2+6400)

I reused my copy of Win XP 32bit that had SP2 on disc. Not ready to go to Vista yet. I'll give it a little more time.

Well back to loading and updating.....

Jim
post #77 of 204
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I had downloaded the latest beta build bios ver. 0501 which supports the E6850 and a few other things.

So you are running the E6850? Where did you get it from? NewEgg doesn't have them available yet.
post #78 of 204
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Well it booted back up this morning so I guess that's good news

I had downloaded the latest beta build bios ver. 0501 which supports the E6850 and a few other things. I unzipped it to my Corsair USB Flash Voyager and on boot up I hit the DEL key and got into the bios. Went to Tools and picked the EZ Flash utility and it found the file on the USB drive and it updated it. The MB came with Ver. 0202. It was very easy. I used the stock Intel Heatsink and fan that came with the chip. I will probably O/C a little at some point but for now I'm up and running with no issues at the stock 3.0 GHZ 1333mhz.

The P5K does not do SLI but I won't be doing SLI so it was a non issue for me. I have a EVGA 8800 GTX so I should be ok there.

I went with 2 GB memory G.Skil DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 The NEW EGG item number of the Invoice is 20-231-065.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170147+50008476+1052308477+1052416064&name=DDR2+800+(PC2+6400)

I reused my copy of Win XP 32bit that had SP2 on disc. Not ready to go to Vista yet. I'll give it a little more time.

Well back to loading and updating.....

Jim

what display are you using? I downloaded the manual for that MOBO and quickly read thru it, but was confused on the getting power to the board from the Power supply. There is a large power connector and a small one also it seems. Do you use both? ( Manual says the smaller one must be plugged in to boot)
post #79 of 204
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So you are running the E6850? Where did you get it from? NewEgg doesn't have them available yet.

Got it from Amazon at the first of last week. It was $297.00 but no shipping or sales tax. One day it was $317.00 then $307.00 that night then I checked just before bed and it was $297.00 so I went for it. The next morning they were out of stock and back up to 317.00. If they go down very much I've had great luck in the past getting a price adjustment from Amazon..I had to do a build this weekend while my sister was here so she could take my old system back with her so I really needed to get something fast.

Jim
post #80 of 204
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Originally Posted by D_B_0673 View Post

what display are you using? I downloaded the manual for that MOBO and quickly read thru it, but was confused on the getting power to the board from the Power supply. There is a large power connector and a small one also it seems. Do you use both? ( Manual says the smaller one must be plugged in to boot)

Using a 20" NEC 20WMGX. Yes it used both the main power connection and a 4 pin ATX connection for the CPU power. Any newer power supply should have the correct connections.

Jim
post #81 of 204
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Got it from Amazon at the first of last week. It was $297.00 but no shipping or sales tax. One day it was $317.00 then $307.00 that night then I checked just before bed and it was $297.00 so I went for it. The next morning they were out of stock and back up to 317.00. If they go down very much I've had great luck in the past getting a price adjustment from Amazon..I had to do a build this weekend while my sister was here so she could take my old system back with her so I really needed to get something fast.

Jim

Thanks for the tip.

I ordered all the parts from Egghead today except the CPU. On Amazon the E6850 is now up to $320, so you got in a good deal.

I'm going to check to see if the price drop hits tomorrow (Monday), maybe Egghead will have the E6850 available... if not, I'll just order from Amazon and keep my fingers crossed for a price adjustment.

Have you done any benchmarking?
post #82 of 204
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

Congrats on your success motoman!!!

You convinced me to switch back to G.Skill memory. How much RAM did you go for and what was the CAS on it?

You went with the Asus P5K Deluxe motherboard... that doesn't do SLI, correct?

The lower the better in terms of timing parameters. I've had some decent success with running G.Skill memory at lower timings than advertised as well. These settings are all adjustable in the BIOS. They might now come up initially with the correct numbers, but you can set them, then mess around and try to lower then 1 by 1 until the PC won't boot.
post #83 of 204
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

Thanks for the tip.

I ordered all the parts from Egghead today except the CPU. On Amazon the E6850 is now up to $320, so you got in a good deal.

I'm going to check to see if the price drop hits tomorrow (Monday), maybe Egghead will have the E6850 available... if not, I'll just order from Amazon and keep my fingers crossed for a price adjustment.

Have you done any benchmarking?

Haven't done any benchmarks yet. I've got everything setup the way I want it now with everything installed so I can begin tinkering this week. Was happy with the build and the way everything went together. Small problems but they all had to do with the cable (SATA) connections and the actual windows install.
Overall very satisfied.

With MB did you go with Dave?

Jim
post #84 of 204
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With MB did you go with Dave?

The MSI 650i one. This was the hardest part of putting together this system. I wanted the option for SLI down the road and this seemed to be in the price range and most reviews claimed it was solid. ...At least HeadRusch swears by it.

I ordered the E6850 this morning from a company linked from Pricewatch.com, so my fingers are crossed on that one.
post #85 of 204
Build, Dave, Build..then lets compare benchmarks. you should be able to do better in the O/C realm with that 6850 than I can....be curious to see how the benchies compare.

I have to re-set the heatsink this week, change out the back plate, and depending on my results there, think about adding a faster fan, assuming i want to go higher than 3.2 which it does at everything stock, and quiet.
post #86 of 204
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I have to re-set the heatsink this week, change out the back plate, and depending on my results there, think about adding a faster fan, assuming i want to go higher than 3.2 which it does at everything stock, and quiet.



I'm hoping to not have to go through that.

Why are you gunning for O/Cing? Your new rig can't be lagging behind anything today...?

Anyway, I hope this weekend will be a benchmark-fest. I'll be in touch.
post #87 of 204
Well I bought the back plate, I should probably install it

Anyhow as for pushing the chip, its more about finding out how fast she'll go..then deciding if its worth it to run it that way all the time. ie: Leave speedstepping on in the bios...etc.
You can't really break anything, so why not

I really, REALLY need to install some games now.....see if we can connect on the UT2004 front

(a game which ran just fine on my old rig, BTW) hehehehe..
post #88 of 204
I just installed UT2004 last night and got it all updated. Hope to try it out tonight.

What's a good benchmark to run anyway? Just something to show frame rates?

Jim
post #89 of 204
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I just installed UT2004 last night and got it all updated. Hope to try it out tonight.

What's a good benchmark to run anyway? Just something to show frame rates?

Jim

The latest 3Dmark is usually a fun one. But the Half Life 2: Lost Coast stress test was the benchmark that made me want to build a new rig. I would love for you to try that one out... if you don't have Lost Coast but own HL2 you should be able to d/l from Steam.
post #90 of 204
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The latest 3Dmark is usually a fun one. But the Half Life 2: Lost Coast stress test was the benchmark that made me want to build a new rig. I would love for you to try that one out... if you don't have Lost Coast but own HL2 you should be able to d/l from Steam.

I need to install HL2 and all the updates + steam so I'll set it up to download everything tonight while I watch some TV.

May not get the test run tonight but I'll at least get it installed and setup. I Hope

Jim
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