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post #241 of 6031
7/21/07 at 1:03am
Just making reservations...will be getting my 875 by next week and I`ll be taking this 805 back to CC. I was not unhappy with my 805 but by mere luck as I was surfing the net I ran into the 875 for only $300 more than I paid at CC. so I snatch it!
Wife should not notice...good thing they look the same, i`d be in the dog house if she knew how much I paid...hehe
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post #242 of 6031
7/21/07 at 3:31am
can you pm where you found it? i might have to look at the 875 instead of the 805 now
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post #243 of 6031
7/21/07 at 4:04am
The 605, 805 and 875 look a lot a like. The 605 does not have the front door but with the stickers left on (hint-hint) it still looks very much like the others...
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post #244 of 6031
7/21/07 at 4:42am
Actually there is a difference between th 805 and the 875, this model has "Vector Linear Shaping Circuitry (VLSC) for all channels". I don't know precisely what it is but here you have some further explanations...

"Conventional D/A conversion methods reduce digital pulse noise at the conversion stage but can't remove it completely. VLSC employs a unique D/A conversion circuit to overcome this problem. Data is converted between sampling points and these points are joined with analog vectors in real time to produce a smooth output wave form. The resulta virtually noiseless, smooth, analog signal based on the digital source that brings out even the most subtle of nuances in music sources (including DVD-Audio and Super Audio CD), DVD Video sources (including high-definition), broadcasts, digital music files such as MP3s, and gaming content."
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post #245 of 6031
7/21/07 at 7:07am
Yep,

*Circuit Vector Linear Shaping (VLSC) & *BTL (Bridge Tie Load)

VLSC: Result: a practically quiet analogical signal and without clash, based on the numerical source.

BTL: Allows bridger or biamplifier 2 systems 7.1 with FL/FR + SBL/SBR

VoilÃ*!

(Mais tu l'avez déjÃ* ici: http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/v...php?t=29855476
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post #246 of 6031
7/21/07 at 7:46am
Does the 875 have individual input settings for Picture control, ie brightness, contrast, chroma, hue?

I see the new Denon 4308 does this.......

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post11088078
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post #247 of 6031
7/21/07 at 7:50am
With all this talk of video processing, I was just wondering how does this bad boy sound?

Will it drive a 7.1 system to thunderous lows and shattering heights? Is it nice and warm in the middle like a fresh baked blueberry muffin?
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post #248 of 6031
7/21/07 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by bwclark View Post

Does the 875 have individual input settings for Picture control, ie brightness, contrast, chroma, hue?

I see the new Denon 4308 does this.......

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post11088078

NO but you paid it 2500$.... and if you want to compare these:
875 <-> 3808
http://www.theosfiles.com/zzz/receiv...vs_3808CI.html
905 <-> 4308
http://www.theosfiles.com/zzz/receiv...vs_4308CI.html

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Originally Posted by Scamps View Post

With all this talk of video processing, I was just wondering how does this bad boy sound?

Will it drive a 7.1 system to thunderous lows and shattering heights? Is it nice and warm in the middle like a fresh baked blueberry muffin?

It is the same audio (less BTL and VLSC) for the 805, you have something more in this thread (805).
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post #249 of 6031
7/21/07 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by bwclark View Post

Does the 875 have individual input settings for Picture control, ie brightness, contrast, chroma, hue?

I see the new Denon 4308 does this.......

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post11088078

To clarify, the Denon picture controls do not affect HDMI input. The controls are for analog inputs, such as s-video and component.

When running direct to a display, you would normally calibrate HDMI and component inputs separately to adjust for differences in those sources due to lossy D/A conversion. However, when you process everything in a receiver with output through a single connection, then you need those settings in the receiver since you can no longer calibrate HDMI and component separately at the display. Denon recognized that and included the color controls for analog sources to compensate for those differences.

If you don't use analog sources such as s-video and component, then those controls don't come into play, but it does look like Denon put more thought into their handling of analog sources.
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post #250 of 6031
7/21/07 at 9:17am
I disagree. Who don't use analog IN? 1% persons?

If you are using upconvertion s-video/conposit/component --> to hdmi.. what happens? the same setting for all your connections IN ?

Or if you have 2 very differents HDMI IN to your 875 you need to change the setting every times

Remember you TV just see one Aux IN ! with one setup!

For me it is a MAJOR PROBLEM. One other joke: HDMI IN >875> COMPONENT VP what happens! Nothing, you can't have a signal!!! please change your VP....

40W2000
PS3 and in the road..... TXSR 875
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post #251 of 6031
7/21/07 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by Scamps View Post

With all this talk of video processing, I was just wondering how does this bad boy sound?

Will it drive a 7.1 system to thunderous lows and shattering heights? Is it nice
and warm in the middle like a fresh baked blueberry muffin?

I have the 805 and it sounds awsome! I wrote a somewhat review on the 805 read it if you got time.

Just ordered the 875 so with a little more juice it can`t sound worse than the 805
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post #252 of 6031
7/21/07 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

To clarify, the Denon picture controls do not affect HDMI input. The controls are for analog inputs, such as s-video and component.

When running direct to a display, you would normally calibrate HDMI and component inputs separately to adjust for differences in those sources due to lossy D/A conversion. However, when you process everything in a receiver with output through a single connection, then you need those settings in the receiver since you can no longer calibrate HDMI and component separately at the display. Denon recognized that and included the color controls for analog sources to compensate for those differences.

If you don't use analog sources such as s-video and component, then those controls don't come into play, but it does look like Denon put more thought into their handling of analog sources.

The problem is more and more devices are likely to be HDMI and neither Denon or Onkyo allow you to adjust each independently. If that's not a costly thing to implement, then it was a dumb oversight.
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post #253 of 6031
7/21/07 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by JU1CYFRU1T View Post

I disagree. I work in electronics at a theme park and I can tell you one thing for certain... the more 'control' you give a user... the faster they will break it, mess it up (an not know how to fix it), or just wear it out.

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I disagree. I would much rather learn how to do something myself than pay someone $75.00 an hour (if not more) to do some relatively easy thing that I could have done myself.
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post #254 of 6031
7/21/07 at 10:23am
Hello,

I am a first time poster and long time reader in these forums. I have learned a lot but, need your help in determing which Onkyo is a better match with my TV. I have a Sony KDS-R60XBR1 which has a 1920 X 1080 resolution but only produces a 1080i picture. Would the video scaling of the 875 offer any advantage? If I set the input to 720p would that give me a superior picture over my default 1080i picture? I am pretty happy with how my PS3 displays video on my tv, but am always interested in improvement. I picked up the 805 at Circuit City and am pretty happy with the audio quality and I have a 875 on pre-order with J&R. Please help me decide if I should go with the 805 or 875. I would appreciate any advice or feedback you can provide.

Thank you!
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post #255 of 6031
7/21/07 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by lujan View Post

I disagree. I would much rather learn how to do something myself than pay someone $75.00 an hour (if not more) to do some relatively easy thing that I could have done myself.

Most people who read this forum will agree with you.

However, most people who buy electronics would be in way over their heads trying to read this forum. Joe Six Pack should never go anywhere near the service or factory setting menus of the products he buys, unless he's willing to pay me quite well to come fix what he's screwed up. That's why lots of devices have hidden menus and controls.
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post #256 of 6031
7/21/07 at 10:34am
Count me in the 1% that doesn't use analog!
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post #257 of 6031
7/21/07 at 10:38am
Hi.

Does anyone knows if Onkyo amps like the 875 can have their firmware upgraded? Does Onkyo have a known history of releasing new firmwares for their products?

These beasts are now so complex that I can't imagine that such a product is 100% bug free right from its first sale (for instance the mysterious HDMI handshaking problem reported by the original poster can be a firmware bug).

Thanks!
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post #258 of 6031
7/21/07 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

When running direct to a display, you would normally calibrate HDMI and component inputs separately to adjust for differences in those sources... However, when you process everything in a receiver with output through a single connection, then you need those settings in the receiver since you can no longer calibrate HDMI and component separately at the display.

This is a good point and one major advantage of stand alone video processors. I may have to re-think my 875 plans.
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post #259 of 6031
7/21/07 at 11:03am
The do release new firmwares from time to time. Their SP1000 went thru a few different ones as did their TX1000. Those are only two that I had to worry about but I bet many other of their receivers get firmware updates to...
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post #260 of 6031
7/21/07 at 11:14am
I'm using a Sony KDL46XDR (1080p LCD panel) with Comcast HD receiver, Sony upscaling DVD player, Xbox360 and a very shortly a MacMini. I'm connecting the HD receiver and DVD player via HDMI and the Xbox360 via component. The MacMini will either go DVI->HDMI or just via VGA (not sure yet). We primarily watch movies on HD and rarely a DVD. We don't watch much SD. I have no real plans to buy Blu-Ray or HDDVD.

I was going to get a Sony STR-DG910 so that I could connect everything to the receiver and just feed one HDMI connection to the LCD panel. I ordered it through ******* and now it's backordered for maybe two weeks (even though many other places have it in stock right now).

In the meantime, I started researching the Onkyo TX-SR875 and 805 models (big mistake). I'm wondering if I can justify the fairly large price increase from the Sony. Based on my setup are there any opinions on whether I should just stick with the Sony or should I get the 875 or 805? I like the "future proofing" of the 875. Currently, my theatre setup has shrunk to a Polk Surroundbar and Infinity PS-12 sub (mainly because I needed the theatre space for office/study space for med school studies).

Any thoughts or advice on the purchase? ******* offered me one hundred off the retail price on the 875. Can I do better? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. The 1080p upscaling of the 875 certainly is tempting.
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post #261 of 6031
7/21/07 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by Blue 911 View Post

This is a good point and one major advantage of stand alone video processors. I may have to re-think my 875 plans.

I agree, it is a very good point. Makes you wonder about running everything though 1 cable to the display, especially since my display (Samsung 5265F) has more settings per input than I know what to do with.

But while I would also agree that more control is almost always better than less, it becomes really difficult to determine where and how settings should be made. I have an XA2, should I tweak any settings there? At the receiver again, and again at the display? Whose to say where the settings should be implemented?

I think I'll still likely stick with the 875 even if there's a disappointing level of control at the receiver for each source. I will "calibrate" my settings for my best sources since I've already concluded that SD cable from a STB can't be fixed much beyond whatever reon ends up giving me and I'd rather not add another variable to HDDVD or upconverted DVD's from the Toshiba player.

I suppose the only possible, though unlikely, negative might be if post-upconverting/deinterlacing that some of the poorer sources are desparately in need of minor tweaks that won't be possible without primary display adjustment. We'll just have to wait and see I guess.
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post #262 of 6031
7/21/07 at 1:14pm
Haven't seen the OP in a while. Perhaps he grew weary of our endless questions? Now we need another victim...er......tester to put this thing through its paces.
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post #263 of 6031
7/21/07 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

The do release new firmwares from time to time. Their SP1000 went thru a few different ones as did their TX1000. Those are only two that I had to worry about but I bet many other of their receivers get firmware updates to...

How can you update the 875's firmware if there is no ethernet port on it? I'm not sure if one can update the 905 even though it has an ethernet port, I've never seen any info on the 905 which mentions firmware updatable.
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post #264 of 6031
7/21/07 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Count me in the 1% that doesn't use analog!

Yeah I think it is a lot higher than 1%... I have DVD, Tivo S3, Xbox Elite, PS3 which all used HDMI so no analog for me either.

LOL... while typing this I just realized I bought a Wii this week and just haven't set it up yet... so much for being analog free.
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post #265 of 6031
7/21/07 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by Blue 911 View Post

This is a good point and one major advantage of stand alone video processors. I may have to re-think my 875 plans.

I am going with the 905 or 4308 which both have 2 HDMI out and I will run them both to the TV and calibrate those two on the display. Not perfect but cheaper than getting a stand alone VP.
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post #266 of 6031
7/21/07 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by Loreleilc View Post

Hello,

I am a first time poster and long time reader in these forums. I have learned a lot but, need your help in determing which Onkyo is a better match with my TV. I have a Sony KDS-R60XBR1 which has a 1920 X 1080 resolution but only produces a 1080i picture. Would the video scaling of the 875 offer any advantage? If I set the input to 720p would that give me a superior picture over my default 1080i picture? I am pretty happy with how my PS3 displays video on my tv, but am always interested in improvement. I picked up the 805 at Circuit City and am pretty happy with the audio quality and I have a 875 on pre-order with J&R. Please help me decide if I should go with the 805 or 875. I would appreciate any advice or feedback you can provide.

Thank you!

I have the same Sony and have the 805 but recently, only because of a good deal, I ordered the 875. The Sony has a hack of a nice picture already, and I don`t think from what I have seen, that the 875 will make it much better. However, If you plan to upgrade your TV to 1080P in the near future, then in my opinion you would be better off with the 875. In electronics things come and go fast...heck still paying for my TV but by next year or so I plan to upgrade.

Bottom line if you can afford it...go with the 875 but if you plan to keep your TV a long time then the 805 would serve you well. Again only reason I did was cause I got a good deal on it or I would have kept my 805 a bit longer plus CC makes it easy for me to take my 805 back.

I just hope I don`t get the buying jitters when the 905 is out...I may have to file BK.
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post #267 of 6031
7/21/07 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by Polopo View Post

Hi.

Does anyone knows if Onkyo amps like the 875 can have their firmware upgraded? Does Onkyo have a known history of releasing new firmwares for their products?

These beasts are now so complex that I can't imagine that such a product is 100% bug free right from its first sale (for instance the mysterious HDMI handshaking problem reported by the original poster can be a firmware bug).

Thanks!

I emailed Onkyo yesterday regarding the HDMI handshaking problem and asked
them whether the 875 is SW/FW upgradable by the End User. If Onkyo reply
I will post it here.

The other problem I went into is playing music thru 875, initially I couldn't play
my CD and MP3 to all 7 speakers (just 3). I have to set my HDA1 to HDMI
audio output to Auto(instead of PCM) and PS3 to play CD at 44.1khz (instead of
44.8khz) then I got all 7 channels. I still couldn't get PS3 to play MP3 thru
all 7 Channels, I will check the 805 thread to see whether they have the
same problem. When the 875 doesn't play 7 channels music, it display Multichan,
when it works I got to choose PLIIx.

I watched a few HDDVD movies since my last posts. The 875 is doing a great
job upscaling the 1080i signal from my HDA1. All HDDVD I watched never looks
better. For example, King Kong was suppose to be the best looking HDDVD
last Dec. but I remember it looked fine but not great. I watched it again
last night with 875, and my jaw dropped (for the record I have seen most of the
Bluray/HDDVD so I am not as easy to impress compare to before) the picture was
so clear.

I think the 875 does bring out the best from good source, but when I feed not
so good source to it (bad boardcast SDTV, not tier1 DVD) then it won't help
too much (at least on a 65" screen) As I said before the 875 also help XBOX360
and Directv HD "lite" looks better.
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post #268 of 6031
7/21/07 at 4:52pm
[quote=40W2000]NO but you paid it 2500$.... and if you want to compare these:
875 <-> 3808
http://www.theosfiles.com/zzz/receiv...vs_3808CI.html
905 <-> 4308
http://www.theosfiles.com/zzz/receiv...vs_4308CI.html


Mad comparison matrix! Do you know of similar for all denon and all onkyo?
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post #269 of 6031
7/21/07 at 4:57pm
We would use the RS232 port for firmware upgrades. It works easily. I use a USB to Serial Adapter cable (RS232)... New owners may want to think about getting one...
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post #270 of 6031
7/21/07 at 5:44pm
joerod

Thanks for the info about upgrades via the RS-232 port. I'm interested in a 905 myself but on lower priced models that do not have that option, I was wondering whether a receiver like the 805 has a kind of non-flashing firmware chip in them like a v1.01 version that could be later replaced in its socket by a v1.03 version. I've noticed that scenario in the Samsung HDTV LCD forums where everyone is concerned about what hardware/firmware version they have. It kind of reminds me of the early 90's with computers, before they had flashable bios and you could replace a bios chip with a fuller-featured model. I figured if anyone would know - you would!
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