Originally Posted by Johnla
Cut your BS, it gets tiring! When proven misinformed, incorrect or wrong, you constantly try to change or manipulate things around, in order to try and look right.
No links! Linking to discounted pricing on this forum, IS against forum rules!
Gee how about calling some dealers? You probably will NOT see any authorized dealer showing a 4311 for less than MSRP on their website, even though they will indeed sell it for less! In case you did not know, Denon enforces their dealer agreements rather strictly about not advertising online for less than MSRP, but the dealers most certainly are allowed to sell for less than MSRP. Sometimes they may even get around it online by doing it with a secret discount code that you must apply, where the discounted price only shows up in the shopping cart, but a simple phone call will more often than not easily get you a nice price of usually 20%-25% off. Just go to the 4311 thread, and you will see references to enough dealers to call or that have discount codes and such as to these kind of discounts.
Integra is also another brand where they enforce dealer agreements so you usually will not see Integra advertised online from a authorized for less than MSRP. Integra pretty much really does not even want any sales done online at all through a shopping cart. However Onkyo is lax about online sales & prices, as is Pioneer for their non-Elite models. This kind of information about Dealer agreements with the manufactures and their enforcement of advertised prices has been widely know about for a long time, and if you did not know this, you must have been living under a rock.
Clearly you don't understand me...and I don't clearly understand how I am "pretty much specifically" manipulating anything
And ..please enlighten me...when did you prove me wrong?
As for calling dealers...would I be accurate in thinking that you didn't think I had already done that?
If that is indeed the case I cannot imagine how you came to that conclusion.
Been there done that recently as a matter of fact...and back when I was shopping for the 875 as well. I was looking at a 4308 and SC 07 , both seriously at one time.Ended up buying the 07 because of the massive discount
That , pricing structure at the time, was the same similar pricing structure as it is now
This discovery( and my most recent pricing comparison) was the basis of my statement about price discounting among brands and the differences there in.
And yes..I am well aware of brand's price structuring as well as prohibiting of online and/or mail order sales of current models .Levision, Classe,McIntosh , Rotel, Sherbourn,Sunfire,Anthem to name a few, all do this.
Some dealers can e-mail you a quote...such as the one I requested for the then new Onkyo PRO PR-SC 5507 preamp.I could have purchased it and had it shipped to me. Some brands won't even allow that unless there is verification that there is not a dealer within a reasonable radius of where you are located. Been there done that with Sherbourn
As for Integra..my local dealer..http://www.genesisaudio.com/html/frameset-genesis.htm
is discounting Integra....but not Denon
Call them if you like and verify that is the case.
But clearly..you have some insight I do not...you mentioned the discounts are the same across all asian brands..as well as the retailer margins across the sector
Send me a PM with your insight if you will....not that I care about the retail markup...though it might be of some anecdotal interest at best.
But..I am REAL interested in where I can buy a 4311 for 20%-25% off retail from an authorized dealer
Enlighten me ..since you seem to hold the answers to all of this...and if you would be so kind as to "pretty much specifically" tell me how I am manipulating anything. The facts are the facts.